More Trades and Transactions Ideas Thread

[HarthorneWingo]

I want to keep Randle. Someone has to keep these refs in place.

Hes like the John McEnroe of basketball.

[KnixinSix]

In one of the posts above, Knicks film school is claiming how the money works for a Knicks 3 way trade. A 3 way trade allows the money to transfer easier when teams are restricted by the 1st or 2nd apron of the CBA....

Knicks get: George and Deni

Clippers get: Randle and Diakite

Wizards get: Mitch, Bojan and Jeffries

Deni has an ideal deal relative to youth, production and upside.

A couple picks could be involved too.

Knicks could turn 24 and 25 this year into 16 or 18 and draft Dunn who is an absolutely elite wing defender.

Trading a huge salary like Randle's could work in a lot of scenarios. We just can't add more salary AND keep a huge contract like Randle's without penalty.

However, a lot of posters appear married to the idea that Julius MUST stay on this team -- but it's his salary that would be needed to make a significant improvement to the team under the new rules (assuming we keep OG, iHart, and Brunson).

I think fans should prepare themselves for the possibility that Julius may need to go in order to land a "star" or player(s) who can move the needle and take us to the next level. Salary cap-wise, we can't have it all.

I personally am 100 % ok with trading Randle. But it needs to be for the right superstar

In the case of a 34 year old, fairly injury prone PG I would prefer to keep Randle.

Can it work under the cap at least for 1 year? I'm guessing it would require some creativity but it's possible.

[NiceLikeChrist]

I can’t wait until we trade Randle and people finally start to realize that it’s pretty damn hard to replace 25/10/5 + a night with that amount of physicality and skill inside the arc.

He’s so under appreciated that it’s mind boggling. Just how much he wears down opposing players who have to guard him seems to be overlooked.

[NoStatsGuy]

why wouldnt it be possible to have randle and pg? Randle is earning 28 mil next season?! brunson is at 25.

pretty sure other teams have a more expensive "big three"

[NoStatsGuy]

I can’t wait until we trade Randle and people finally start to realize that it’s pretty damn hard to replace 25/10/5 + a night with that amount of physicality and skill inside the arc.

He’s so under appreciated that it’s mind boggling. Just how much he wears down opposing players who have to guard him seems to be overlooked.

im with you man.

i understand the frustration tbf. he didnt deliver in both our playoff runs last years (though he was injured and playing on bum ankles both times) and he vents on the court, which is kinda bad leadership or setting a bad example sometimes.

but hes an all nba guy with a crazy motor and not afraid to put his body on the line, hes a bulldozer. we need him. i personally would never even consider randle for PG. even 1 for 1 straight up i would say no. imo PG is an elite player but what did PG really do in the playoffs? why do people think all of a sudden hes a playoffperformer? im riding with randle for sure. i only consider trading randle if it nets us a legit top 5-10 player and they are not getting traded anytime soon.

[HarthorneWingo]

One thing that needs to be addressed is stretch 5.

We talking about maximizing Brunson.

It's tough to find a stretch 5 who can shoot and defend. We only have KP, Myles Turner, washed Brooke Lopez, washed Al Horford, rookie Wemby and rookie Chet. Maybe we can add to that list Mobley, Sarr and Jokic (who does not shoot that well).

And maybe it's not necessary a stretch 5 to win.

The Wolves got better when they gave up Towns as a stretch 5. And people think OKC and SAS need a traditional big to defend.

GSW and Lakers used a traditional center and they were champions. Dallas hit the finals.

Besides, IHart is a good passer and can work outside the rim.

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[Richard4444]

why wouldnt it be possible to have randle and pg? Randle is earning 28 mil next season?! brunson is at 25.

pretty sure other teams have a more expensive "big three"

We can have Randle, PG13, Brunson and OG as a big 4. The issue is the rest.

To avoid being hard-capped in the first apron (or we can not re-sing OG) we have to give more salary than receive in the PG13 trade.

We can not hit the second apron (after attaching salaries in the PG13 trade).

So to land PG13, we have to trade Bojan, Mitch, and more 16M in salaries (don't count sign and trade Precious or Burks). We have to give up Hart or IHart (sign and trade), or Donte plus Deuce.

[HarthorneWingo]

why wouldnt it be possible to have randle and pg? Randle is earning 28 mil next season?! brunson is at 25.

pretty sure other teams have a more expensive "big three"

We can have Randle, PG13, and Brunson as a big 3. The issue is the rest.

To avoid being hard-capped in the first apron (or we can not re-sing OG) we have to give more salary than receive in the PG13.

We can not hit the second apron (after attaching salaries in the PG13 trade).

So the land PG13, we have to trade Bojan, Mitch, and more 16M in salaries (don't count sign and trade Precious or Burks). We have to give up Hart, IHart (sign and trade), or Donte plus Deuce.

So that’s not happening.

[NoStatsGuy]

why wouldnt it be possible to have randle and pg? Randle is earning 28 mil next season?! brunson is at 25.

pretty sure other teams have a more expensive "big three"

We can have Randle, PG13, and Brunson as a big 3. The issue is the rest.

To avoid being hard-capped in the first apron (or we can not re-sing OG) we have to give more salary than receive in the PG13.

We can not hit the second apron (after attaching salaries in the PG13 trade).

So the land PG13, we have to trade Bojan, Mitch, and more 16M in salaries (don't count sign and trade Precious or Burks). We have to give up Hart, IHart (sign and trade), or Donte plus Deuce.

alright gotcha, thanks for the explanation.

yea id rather resign OG than trade half the team to get PG

[HarthorneWingo]

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[spree2kawhi]

I can’t wait until we trade Randle and people finally start to realize that it’s pretty damn hard to replace 25/10/5 + a night with that amount of physicality and skill inside the arc.

He’s so under appreciated that it’s mind boggling. Just how much he wears down opposing players who have to guard him seems to be overlooked.

im with you man.

i understand the frustration tbf. he didnt deliver in both our playoff runs last years (though he was injured and playing on bum ankles both times) and he vents on the court, which is kinda bad leadership or setting a bad example sometimes.

but hes an all nba guy with a crazy motor and not afraid to put his body on the line, hes a bulldozer. we need him. i personally would never even consider randle for PG. even 1 for 1 straight up i would say no. imo PG is an elite player but what did PG really do in the playoffs? why do people think all of a sudden hes a playoffperformer? im riding with randle for sure. i only consider trading randle if it nets us a legit top 5-10 player and they are not getting traded anytime soon.

I love what he does inside the three-point line. If he stuck to his guns, he’d be my favorite player. He hasn’t done that, but if we keep him, I won’t be mad.

I don’t like the turnovers from over-dribbling or the easy passes he misses all the time because of that.

[HarthorneWingo]

According to the Locked On Knicks guy, Julius is much more efficient with IHart on the court than Mitch.

[NoStatsGuy]

I can’t wait until we trade Randle and people finally start to realize that it’s pretty damn hard to replace 25/10/5 + a night with that amount of physicality and skill inside the arc.

He’s so under appreciated that it’s mind boggling. Just how much he wears down opposing players who have to guard him seems to be overlooked.

im with you man.

i understand the frustration tbf. he didnt deliver in both our playoff runs last years (though he was injured and playing on bum ankles both times) and he vents on the court, which is kinda bad leadership or setting a bad example sometimes.

but hes an all nba guy with a crazy motor and not afraid to put his body on the line, hes a bulldozer. we need him. i personally would never even consider randle for PG. even 1 for 1 straight up i would say no. imo PG is an elite player but what did PG really do in the playoffs? why do people think all of a sudden hes a playoffperformer? im riding with randle for sure. i only consider trading randle if it nets us a legit top 5-10 player and they are not getting traded anytime soon.

I love what he does inside the three-point line. If he stuck to his guns, he’d be my favorite player. He hasn’t done that, but if we keep him, I won’t be mad.

I don’t like the turnovers from over-dribbling or the easy passes he misses all the time because of that.

im still wondering if he will ever be able to replicate that outlier year in 2020/21, where he shot 41% from three. maan just do what you did then

but yea i agree on those other points for sure. he needs to work on being more efficient attacking the rim and make better decisions.

[thebuzzardman]

There’s no legitimate rumors right now. Nothing with legs, I think we make a real run at PG. Wouldn’t be surprised if there’s a trade tomorrow.

Charlotte (Let’s talk Knicks) and I (TheKnicksStan) are running draft day stream. We’ll have Kristian Winfield who covers Daily News on for Day 2 to recap.

A lot of good gems here, for anyone interested.

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CliffNotes version?

Ok, the "For Dummies" version.

[Adelheid]

imagine OG at 40m per - his salary would be almost double brunson's salary (25m)
players dont look at each other's bread but who knows?

[thebuzzardman]

Coming to terms with the fact the Knicks won't be able to trade for anyone, plus they'll be trading at least one pick, and probably 2, out of the draft.

Yay.

[Ewings2ndcousin]

Well drafting has never been our strength anyway so I'm sure they will be included in whatever trade we put together between now and tomorrow evening...

[WargamesX]

imagine OG at 40m per - his salary would be almost double brunson's salary (25m)
players dont look at each other's bread but who knows?

At that point do you S&T him for PG?

[VirginiaKnickFan]

The problem with Randle is his injuries. Thibs has to manage his minutes so he’s not run down at the end of the regular season. He needs to be 100% come playoff time.

[Lord Commander]

We better not obtain PG at the cost of losing Ju. That's two steps back.