OT: NFL 24-25 Offseason Thread - Draft Day is upon us

[Ghetto Gospel]

is the szn over yet

its crazy there is 6 more games of this crap.

we need a sim to end of season button irl

[DaGawd]

is the szn over yet

its crazy there is 6 more games of this crap.

we need a sim to end of season button irl

dead ass

[mpharris36]

its crazy there is 6 more games of this crap.

we need a sim to end of season button irl

dead ass

the worse part is we are sitting there just praying no one **** this up by winning a few meaningless games. Its the worse part.

[TerrenceClarke]

you know whats the Nastiest work?

After Schoen spent all that money in the offseason. I said there is no way we can be worse than last year..... You spend a ton of money to get better right? Right?

[Deeeez Knicks]

you know whats the Nastiest work?

After Schoen spent all that money in the offseason. I said there is no way we can be worse than last year..... You spend a ton of money to get better right? Right?

They even traded picks

[MrDollarBills]

As much as seeing what happened last night sucks, Saquon could rush for 400 yards next Sunday and letting him go was still the right move. Paying RBs big money when the team is so structurally flawed on both sides of the ball isn't going to fix things either.

I can't compare that to the Giants drafting a QB prospect. We have to take the best player available and develop them. If it's Sanders or Ward, great. If it's Travis Hunter, I'm fine with that too

The fact that you’re still willing to say letting Saquon go was the right move in spite of his production and contract is beyond me. There are some players who can’t be reduced to their position. There’s always exceptions to rules; if you can’t see that by now………

We shouldn’t pay for runningbacks. We should overpay for mediocre quarterbacks instead.

thats not what he's saying.

He's saying if we kept Saquan the Giants would still be a huge pile of ****. How do we know that...the organization has been a huge pile of ****.

Bottom out is not the worse thing here...we have yet to truly bottom out we always find a way to win a few meaningless games that put us out of the range of improving that overpaid mediocre QB you talk about.

We need a roster overhaul and paying Barkley makes little to no sense for where we are at. You say things can change quickly in the NFL...maybe but lets no act like Barkley was also some model of health and longevity here.

He thriving behind an elite offense that is basically scoring the same amount of PPG they have been the last 3-4 years. Its putting a talented player in a system that works for him. It didn't work here

Sorry if I didn't want a sub 4 ypc RB making 14 MM while the rest of the roster is bad. He's avg over 6 yards per carry with Philly the only time he even sniffed 5 ypc was his rookie year.

Yes it sucks to see him playing really well for a rival but what he is doing in Philly would simply not even be closely replicable if he was playing RB for the Giants...not this year not next year.

And just because he's having a great season doesn't mean it made sense to draft him #2 which was one of the worst decisions a franchise can make. You can't build around a RB...this is a great example of that. RB's are valued in a system not a RB makes a system.

Yeah I'm not saying we shouldn't pay running backs...we should...eventually. but right now? Look at us. The team literally quit yesterday. We are in no position to be shelling out top tier RB money.

If we kept Saquon, he isn't averaging 6 ypc or racking up 300+ all purpose yards. We were bad with Barkley, we're bad without him. It's not about him it's about positional value and our current situation.

Let Schoen and Daboll get fired. Take the actual good players that we have, hopefully draft a QB in round 1 and start this rebuild in earnest.

[MrDollarBills]

you know whats the Nastiest work?

After Schoen spent all that money in the offseason. I said there is no way we can be worse than last year..... You spend a ton of money to get better right? Right?

They even traded picks

I hope Joe is updating his resume.

[TerrenceClarke]

you know whats the Nastiest work?

After Schoen spent all that money in the offseason. I said there is no way we can be worse than last year..... You spend a ton of money to get better right? Right?

They even traded picks

SMH I forgot about that. yeah send everyone packing. This is terrible.

[DaGawd]

bring back jerry reese at this point

[TerrenceClarke]

So MPH..... is Schoen Still better than Getty?

[mpharris36]

So MPH..... is Schoen Still better than Getty?

They both suck.

[TerrenceClarke]

So MPH..... is Schoen Still better than Getty?

They both suck.

well at least you did not spin it with an excuse.

I was expecting something different.

[mpharris36]

So MPH..... is Schoen Still better than Getty?

They both suck.

well at least you did not spin it with an excuse.

I was expecting something different.

nah I'm a results guy. Ultimately we have a Mara issue though because I don't trust him wiping the slate clean and making the right hires.

I tried to give Schoen a benefit of the doubt because he inherited a mess from Gettleman. Terrible cap situation, very limited talent pool, and a non modernized organization (we were using draft books) instead of digital technology draft room! So I appreciate Schoen modernizing the FO...and I roughly agree with his concepts about positional value.

But the team has trended downhill after there 1st season. I think 3 years is enough. I also now have seen 3 draft classes that haven't been impressive to say I'm not interested in seeing a 4th one.

[Ghetto Gospel]

They both suck.

well at least you did not spin it with an excuse.

I was expecting something different.

nah I'm a results guy. Ultimately we have a Mara issue though because I don't trust him wiping the slate clean and making the right hires.

I tried to give Schoen a benefit of the doubt because he inherited a mess from Gettleman. Terrible cap situation, very limited talent pool, and a non modernized organization (we were using draft books) instead of digital technology draft room! So I appreciate Schoen modernizing the FO...and I roughly agree with his concepts about positional value.

But the team has trended downhill after there 1st season. I think 3 years is enough. I also now have seen 3 draft classes that haven't been impressive to say I'm not interested in seeing a 4th one.

at first, i was satisfied with his drafts because they "aligned" with whatever the consensus mocks had as the best players and all that.

but honestly, fck all that, i need to see our picks starting to win and make real impacts on the field

[mpharris36]

well at least you did not spin it with an excuse.

I was expecting something different.

nah I'm a results guy. Ultimately we have a Mara issue though because I don't trust him wiping the slate clean and making the right hires.

I tried to give Schoen a benefit of the doubt because he inherited a mess from Gettleman. Terrible cap situation, very limited talent pool, and a non modernized organization (we were using draft books) instead of digital technology draft room! So I appreciate Schoen modernizing the FO...and I roughly agree with his concepts about positional value.

But the team has trended downhill after there 1st season. I think 3 years is enough. I also now have seen 3 draft classes that haven't been impressive to say I'm not interested in seeing a 4th one.

at first, i was satisfied with his drafts because they "aligned" with whatever the consensus mocks had as the best players and all that.

but honestly, fck all that, i need to see our picks starting to win and make real impacts on the field

yeah I mean most draft reports were that the Giants did well in there drafts under Schoen. Most had Neal and Thibs rated highly...but its a results based business...mocks aren't everything you need to see results on the field.

[MrDollarBills]

well at least you did not spin it with an excuse.

I was expecting something different.

nah I'm a results guy. Ultimately we have a Mara issue though because I don't trust him wiping the slate clean and making the right hires.

I tried to give Schoen a benefit of the doubt because he inherited a mess from Gettleman. Terrible cap situation, very limited talent pool, and a non modernized organization (we were using draft books) instead of digital technology draft room! So I appreciate Schoen modernizing the FO...and I roughly agree with his concepts about positional value.

But the team has trended downhill after there 1st season. I think 3 years is enough. I also now have seen 3 draft classes that haven't been impressive to say I'm not interested in seeing a 4th one.

at first, i was satisfied with his drafts because they "aligned" with whatever the consensus mocks had as the best players and all that.

but honestly, fck all that, i need to see our picks starting to win and make real impacts on the field

The lack of development of these players is also on the coaching staff.

That's an indictment on this regime.

[Synciere]

As much as seeing what happened last night sucks, Saquon could rush for 400 yards next Sunday and letting him go was still the right move. Paying RBs big money when the team is so structurally flawed on both sides of the ball isn't going to fix things either.

I can't compare that to the Giants drafting a QB prospect. We have to take the best player available and develop them. If it's Sanders or Ward, great. If it's Travis Hunter, I'm fine with that too

The fact that you’re still willing to say letting Saquon go was the right move in spite of his production and contract is beyond me. There are some players who can’t be reduced to their position. There’s always exceptions to rules; if you can’t see that by now………

We shouldn’t pay for runningbacks. We should overpay for mediocre quarterbacks instead.

thats not what he's saying.

He's saying if we kept Saquan the Giants would still be a huge pile of ****. How do we know that...the organization has been a huge pile of ****.

Bottom out is not the worse thing here...we have yet to truly bottom out we always find a way to win a few meaningless games that put us out of the range of improving that overpaid mediocre QB you talk about.

We need a roster overhaul and paying Barkley makes little to no sense for where we are at. You say things can change quickly in the NFL...maybe but lets no act like Barkley was also some model of health and longevity here.

He thriving behind an elite offense that is basically scoring the same amount of PPG they have been the last 3-4 years. Its putting a talented player in a system that works for him. It didn't work here

Sorry if I didn't want a sub 4 ypc RB making 14 MM while the rest of the roster is bad. He's avg over 6 yards per carry with Philly the only time he even sniffed 5 ypc was his rookie year.

Yes it sucks to see him playing really well for a rival but what he is doing in Philly would simply not even be closely replicable if he was playing RB for the Giants...not this year not next year.

And just because he's having a great season doesn't mean it made sense to draft him #2 which was one of the worst decisions a franchise can make. You can't build around a RB...this is a great example of that. RB's are valued in a system not a RB makes a system.

I’m agreeing with you! Makes much more sense to let your best playmaker who wants to stay go to your division rival and have an MVP caliber season. Gotcha.

[mpharris36]

The fact that you’re still willing to say letting Saquon go was the right move in spite of his production and contract is beyond me. There are some players who can’t be reduced to their position. There’s always exceptions to rules; if you can’t see that by now………

We shouldn’t pay for runningbacks. We should overpay for mediocre quarterbacks instead.

thats not what he's saying.

He's saying if we kept Saquan the Giants would still be a huge pile of ****. How do we know that...the organization has been a huge pile of ****.

Bottom out is not the worse thing here...we have yet to truly bottom out we always find a way to win a few meaningless games that put us out of the range of improving that overpaid mediocre QB you talk about.

We need a roster overhaul and paying Barkley makes little to no sense for where we are at. You say things can change quickly in the NFL...maybe but lets no act like Barkley was also some model of health and longevity here.

He thriving behind an elite offense that is basically scoring the same amount of PPG they have been the last 3-4 years. Its putting a talented player in a system that works for him. It didn't work here

Sorry if I didn't want a sub 4 ypc RB making 14 MM while the rest of the roster is bad. He's avg over 6 yards per carry with Philly the only time he even sniffed 5 ypc was his rookie year.

Yes it sucks to see him playing really well for a rival but what he is doing in Philly would simply not even be closely replicable if he was playing RB for the Giants...not this year not next year.

And just because he's having a great season doesn't mean it made sense to draft him #2 which was one of the worst decisions a franchise can make. You can't build around a RB...this is a great example of that. RB's are valued in a system not a RB makes a system.

I’m agreeing with you! Makes much more sense to let your best playmaker who wants to stay go to your division rival and have an MVP caliber season. Gotcha.

umm he didn't want to stay...they offered him a very good extension and he turned it down. Barkley actually ended up leading us to not being able to franchise Daniel Jones by turning down that extension during the year (which was really similar to the contract he got with the eagles).

In theory Barkley made the right decision this offseason. He didn't want to come back to the Giants and he made the right call. He is now having an offensive player of the year type season and he wouldn't be doing that on this team behind this offensive line.

Barkley made the best decision for himself.

[MrDollarBills]

thats not what he's saying.

He's saying if we kept Saquan the Giants would still be a huge pile of ****. How do we know that...the organization has been a huge pile of ****.

Bottom out is not the worse thing here...we have yet to truly bottom out we always find a way to win a few meaningless games that put us out of the range of improving that overpaid mediocre QB you talk about.

We need a roster overhaul and paying Barkley makes little to no sense for where we are at. You say things can change quickly in the NFL...maybe but lets no act like Barkley was also some model of health and longevity here.

He thriving behind an elite offense that is basically scoring the same amount of PPG they have been the last 3-4 years. Its putting a talented player in a system that works for him. It didn't work here

Sorry if I didn't want a sub 4 ypc RB making 14 MM while the rest of the roster is bad. He's avg over 6 yards per carry with Philly the only time he even sniffed 5 ypc was his rookie year.

Yes it sucks to see him playing really well for a rival but what he is doing in Philly would simply not even be closely replicable if he was playing RB for the Giants...not this year not next year.

And just because he's having a great season doesn't mean it made sense to draft him #2 which was one of the worst decisions a franchise can make. You can't build around a RB...this is a great example of that. RB's are valued in a system not a RB makes a system.

I’m agreeing with you! Makes much more sense to let your best playmaker who wants to stay go to your division rival and have an MVP caliber season. Gotcha.

umm he didn't want to stay...they offered him a very good extension and he turned it down. Barkley actually ended up leading us to not being able to franchise Daniel Jones by turning down that extension during the year (which was really similar to the contract he got with the eagles).

In theory Barkley made the right decision this offseason. He didn't want to come back to the Giants and he made the right call. He is now having an offensive player of the year type season and he wouldn't be doing that on this team behind this offensive line.

Barkley made the best decision for himself.

I'm seriously happy for Barkley.

Let's be real, if he was here right now, what would be different? We'd still suck balls and he'd probably get beaten up playing behind our dogsh*t line that can't run block.

What's the upside? Does Saquon give us an extra win, that takes us out of contention for a top 2 pick?

It sucks but we don't need to be locked into any big positional contracts outside of Dex and AT.

[Ghetto Gospel]

nah I'm a results guy. Ultimately we have a Mara issue though because I don't trust him wiping the slate clean and making the right hires.

I tried to give Schoen a benefit of the doubt because he inherited a mess from Gettleman. Terrible cap situation, very limited talent pool, and a non modernized organization (we were using draft books) instead of digital technology draft room! So I appreciate Schoen modernizing the FO...and I roughly agree with his concepts about positional value.

But the team has trended downhill after there 1st season. I think 3 years is enough. I also now have seen 3 draft classes that haven't been impressive to say I'm not interested in seeing a 4th one.

at first, i was satisfied with his drafts because they "aligned" with whatever the consensus mocks had as the best players and all that.

but honestly, fck all that, i need to see our picks starting to win and make real impacts on the field

yeah I mean most draft reports were that the Giants did well in there drafts under Schoen. Most had Neal and Thibs rated highly...but its a results based business...mocks aren't everything you need to see results on the field.

at the time, i was happy that it seemed like there were signs of some "intelligent life" in the FO that we were taking highly lauded picks but at this point, i don't really care if Schoen or whoever follow the mocks or not, literally means nothing