OT: Zion Prophesized?!

Clyde_Style · Post #21 » by **Clyde_Style** » Fri Dec 21, 2018 2:51 am

RHODEY wrote:
JBreezeNY wrote:If Zion is a player that you absolutely need to get with no questions about it, then the franchise will need to have a long conversation about possibly trading KP straight up for him if we dont get the number 1 pick.

This FO will be interesting because Mills wasn’t in charge when KP & Frank were taken. He was present in the meetings & im sure he liked them but he wasn’t the person in control of taking either of them.

Very interesting to see what happens the next two years.

I prefer rolling with KP and another stud, ie Barret, Ja Morant, or (whoever else emerges as a top 5 guy) over just Zion. IMO a healthy Kp is too valuable right now and way too potentially good to use as a trade chip...even for someone like Zion.

No way of knowing whether KP will be durable or not, but one scenario is he really needed to grow up to the age of 22-24 to gain the man strength necessary to carry his huge 7'3" frame. If that is true, KP will be a beastly player who has the potential to be a top 10 player. If not, he'll be another big man like Yao Ming whose size was both a blessing and a curse.

With that in mind, the injury may have given the Knicks a silver lining that produces a strengthened, more physically mature KP who can come back and bang and hang with the rest of the NBA.

Fingers crossed, basically.

Strick · Post #22 » by **Strick** » Fri Dec 21, 2018 3:01 am

Idc how it happens, but please basketball gods allow us to get a young core of KP, Zion, Knox, Frank, Trier, Robinson, and Dot

cgf · Post #23 » by **cgf** » Fri Dec 21, 2018 4:35 am

HarthorneWingo · Post #24 » by **HarthorneWingo** » Fri Dec 21, 2018 4:35 am

If Commissioner E.T. announces that he's assigning Grandpa Stern pull the cards from the bin on draft lottery night, then we have received our sign from above.

Marty McFly · Post #25 » by **Marty McFly** » Fri Dec 21, 2018 5:10 am

HarthorneWingo wrote:If Commissioner E.T. announces that he's assigning Grandpa Stern pull the cards from the bin on draft lottery night, then we have received our sign from above.

Carl_Karlson · Post #26 » by **Carl_Karlson** » Fri Dec 21, 2018 5:17 am

Just another Knicks fan cock tease. You guys are setting yourselves up for disappointment. Everyone knows the Bulls or the Cavs are getting the number 1 pick.

I want the number one pick too, but man come on. We've been here long enough. We know how this story ends. Hopefully Ja ends up killing it for us

RHODEY · Post #27 » by **RHODEY** » Fri Dec 21, 2018 5:27 am

Clyde_Style wrote:
RHODEY wrote:
JBreezeNY wrote:If Zion is a player that you absolutely need to get with no questions about it, then the franchise will need to have a long conversation about possibly trading KP straight up for him if we dont get the number 1 pick.

This FO will be interesting because Mills wasn’t in charge when KP & Frank were taken. He was present in the meetings & im sure he liked them but he wasn’t the person in control of taking either of them.

Very interesting to see what happens the next two years.

I prefer rolling with KP and another stud, ie Barret, Ja Morant, or (whoever else emerges as a top 5 guy) over just Zion. IMO a healthy Kp is too valuable right now and way too potentially good to use as a trade chip...even for someone like Zion.

No way of knowing whether KP will be durable or not, but one scenario is he really needed to grow up to the age of 22-24 to gain the man strength necessary to carry his huge 7'3" frame. If that is true, KP will be a beastly player who has the potential to be a top 10 player. If not, he'll be another big man like Yao Ming whose size was both a blessing and a curse.

With that in mind, the injury may have given the Knicks a silver lining that produces a strengthened, more physically mature KP who can come back and bang and hang with the rest of the NBA.

Fingers crossed, basically.

He'll be back..stronger than ever. Max Kellerman also agrees KP has a a chance to be the best player in the game. You just don't trade players with that type of potential.

Watch on YouTube

HarthorneWingo · Post #28 » by **HarthorneWingo** » Fri Dec 21, 2018 5:34 am

RHODEY wrote:
Clyde_Style wrote:
RHODEY wrote:
I prefer rolling with KP and another stud, ie Barret, Ja Morant, or (whoever else emerges as a top 5 guy) over just Zion. IMO a healthy Kp is too valuable right now and way too potentially good to use as a trade chip...even for someone like Zion.

No way of knowing whether KP will be durable or not, but one scenario is he really needed to grow up to the age of 22-24 to gain the man strength necessary to carry his huge 7'3" frame. If that is true, KP will be a beastly player who has the potential to be a top 10 player. If not, he'll be another big man like Yao Ming whose size was both a blessing and a curse.

With that in mind, the injury may have given the Knicks a silver lining that produces a strengthened, more physically mature KP who can come back and bang and hang with the rest of the NBA.

Fingers crossed, basically.

He'll be back..stronger than ever. Max Kellerman also agrees KP has a a chance to be the best player in the game. You just don't trade players with that type of potential.

Watch on YouTube

Watch on YouTube

HarthorneWingo · Post #29 » by **HarthorneWingo** » Fri Dec 21, 2018 5:42 am

I still can't believe he hit his head on the backboard. :rofl:

Wow.

Read on Twitter

CharlesOakley · Post #30 » by **CharlesOakley** » Fri Dec 21, 2018 5:57 am

Is Zion an elite rebounder? He needs to be if we are slotting him next to KP.

Post #31 » by **GONYK** » Fri Dec 21, 2018 6:03 am

You stack talent, not swap it.

If we miss on #1 but have a top 3-5 pick, I'm not trading KP for Zion.

JBreezeNY · Post #32 » by **JBreezeNY** » Fri Dec 21, 2018 6:45 am

GONYK wrote:You stack talent, not swap it.

If we miss on #1 but have a top 3-5 pick, I'm not trading KP for Zion.

That’s what it will come down to, does the FO view Zion as some transcendental talent that you get by any means or do they view it calmly and just select who falls in their lap regarding a 3-5 pick?

I think the FO will go through 3 stages in the possibility we get a top 3/5 pick:

1. Try to package the pick with Frank, next year's pick & anybody outside of KP.

2. Kick the tires on if team with #1 pick will take KP without anything else.

3. Decide to just take whoever lands & dream when Zion becomes a free agent.

knicksNOTslick · Post #33 » by **knicksNOTslick** » Fri Dec 21, 2018 6:46 am

Zion and KP, is it possible to have 2 unicorns on 1 team?

Post #34 » by **Deeeez Knicks** » Fri Dec 21, 2018 6:59 am

JBreezeNY wrote:If Zion is a player that you absolutely need to get with no questions about it, then the franchise will need to have a long conversation about possibly trading KP straight up for him if we dont get the number 1 pick.

This FO will be interesting because Mills wasn’t in charge when KP & Frank were taken. He was present in the meetings & im sure he liked them but he wasn’t the person in control of taking either of them.

Very interesting to see what happens the next two years.

KP will be a free agent so he would have to agree to a trade. Probably unlikely he would want to go to another lottery team.

Garbagelo · Post #35 » by **Garbagelo** » Fri Dec 21, 2018 7:09 am

I would trade anyone outside of KP to ensure getting Zion

Post #36 » by **Duke4life831** » Fri Dec 21, 2018 7:23 am

CharlesOakley wrote:Is Zion an elite rebounder? He needs to be if we are slotting him next to KP.

13 tonight in just 25 minutes of play and for the season is 14 rebounds per 40 (which is really good). He has a lot of work to do with boxing out though.

Post #37 » by **Duke4life831** » Fri Dec 21, 2018 7:31 am

JBreezeNY wrote:
GONYK wrote:You stack talent, not swap it.

If we miss on #1 but have a top 3-5 pick, I'm not trading KP for Zion.

That’s what it will come down to, does the FO view Zion as some transcendental talent that you get by any means or do they view it calmly and just select who falls in their lap regarding a 3-5 pick?

I think the FO will go through 3 stages in the possibility we get a top 3/5 pick:

1. Try to package the pick with Frank, next year's pick & anybody outside of KP.

2. Kick the tires on if team with #1 pick will take KP without anything else.

3. Decide to just take whoever lands & dream when Zion becomes a free agent.

Trading KP for Zion basically ensures that you guys will just keep repeating what you guys have been doing. Say you guys land the 3rd pick, I would make everything available except for KP to trade up to get the #1 spot.

Zion is just different. Look what he has done for college basketball. I mean when Duke has a game against a ranked team, you go to the page that lists all the team boards and it is like half of the team boards last posts is a draft or college basketball thread. He is must see TV.

You add that in the NY market and you add KP as well. I think the Knicks automatically become much more attractive for free agents. You got two young studs that both appear to have games that are friendly for other stars. You also have the biggest market in the world rejuvenated to levels we havent seen in a long time. Ya I think there is a good chance you guys could start landing legit talent.

HarthorneWingo · Post #38 » by **HarthorneWingo** » Fri Dec 21, 2018 7:38 am

GONYK wrote:You stack talent, not swap it.

If we miss on #1 but have a top 3-5 pick, I'm not trading KP for Zion.

HarthorneWingo · Post #39 » by **HarthorneWingo** » Fri Dec 21, 2018 7:41 am

Duke4life831 wrote:
CharlesOakley wrote:Is Zion an elite rebounder? He needs to be if we are slotting him next to KP.

13 tonight in just 25 minutes of play and for the season is 14 rebounds per 40 (which is really good). He has a lot of work to do with boxing out though.

The problem is that college basketball just doesn't provide the environment where you can accurately prognosticate how these players will translate in the NBA. I remember when Harold Minor was the next MJ.

Zion does look freakish. No doubt about it.

RHODEY · Post #40 » by **RHODEY** » Fri Dec 21, 2018 7:48 am

Duke4life831 wrote:
JBreezeNY wrote:
GONYK wrote:You stack talent, not swap it.

If we miss on #1 but have a top 3-5 pick, I'm not trading KP for Zion.

That’s what it will come down to, does the FO view Zion as some transcendental talent that you get by any means or do they view it calmly and just select who falls in their lap regarding a 3-5 pick?

I think the FO will go through 3 stages in the possibility we get a top 3/5 pick:

1. Try to package the pick with Frank, next year's pick & anybody outside of KP.

2. Kick the tires on if team with #1 pick will take KP without anything else.

3. Decide to just take whoever lands & dream when Zion becomes a free agent.

Trading KP for Zion basically ensures that you guys will just keep repeating what you guys have been doing. Say you guys land the 3rd pick, I would make everything available except for KP to trade up to get the #1 spot.

Zion is just different. Look what he has done for college basketball. I mean when Duke has a game against a ranked team, you go to the page that lists all the team boards and it is like half of the team boards last posts is a draft or college basketball thread. He is must see TV.

You add that in the NY market and you add KP as well. I think the Knicks automatically become much more attractive for free agents. You got two young studs that both appear to have games that are friendly for other stars. You also have the biggest market in the world rejuvenated to levels we havent seen in a long time. Ya I think there is a good chance you guys could start landing legit talent.

You would have your number 1 and 2 guy already ...that is the legit talent right there , the rest is icing that will kill to be part of the resurgence at MSG. Just imagine us thrashing the teams where the front running bandwagon FA's turned their noses up at us. Imagine when ESPN will be forced to put respect back on the Knicks name. I would just love that.