Biggest identity change has been the 4th quarter

[djsunyc]

25 games in: ortg/drtg/net/reb%

4th quarter: 112.0 (15th) worse / 122.3 (29th) / -10.3 (29th) / 48.6 (22nd)
overall: 120.2 (2nd) / 113.7 (13th) / +6.5 (6th) / 50.5 (13th)

overall, defense has improved the past 7 games bumping up the drtg ranking and the net is still very good.

but the 4th quarter performance is still really bad. only team worse in the 4th are the raptors.

this is such a drastic change from how the team played the past 2 years. 4th quarter used to be lockdown time but it's the opposite now.

[KnixinSix]

Biggest identity change is no elite 5 with game changing defensive gravity in the middle of the paint.

[kNicksGmen]

25 games in: ortg/drtg/net/reb%

4th quarter: 112.0 (15th) worse / 122.3 (29th) / -10.3 (29th) / 48.6 (22nd)
overall: 120.2 (2nd) / 113.7 (13th) / +6.5 (6th) / 50.5 (13th)

overall, defense has improved the past 7 games bumping up the drtg ranking and the net is still very good.

but the 4th quarter performance is still really bad. only team worse in the 4th are the raptors.

this is such a drastic change from how the team played the past 2 years. 4th quarter used to be lockdown time but it's the opposite now.

concerning. it's either fatigue or thibs being outcoached - other teams adjusting and we're not.

prob both

[The KnicksFix]

The biggest identity change is that we don’t rebound and have ZERO pain defense, as well as NO point of attack defense

[djsunyc]

time to revisit this

ortg/drtg/net/reb%

last year 4th qtr: 115.4 (12th) / 111.1 (7th) / +4.3 (4th) / 52.6 (1st)
this year 4th qtr: 112.2 (20th) / 116.5 (24th) / -4.3 (25th) / 50.3 (15th)
this year overall: 113.7 (5th) / 113.4 (13th) / +4.0 (8th) / 50.8 (9th)

the poor 4th quarter play is the biggest difference from last season.

[Wildcat]

time to revisit this

ortg/drtg/net/reb%

last year 4th qtr: 115.4 (12th) / 111.1 (7th) / +4.3 (4th) / 52.6 (1st)
this year 4th qtr: 112.2 (20th) / 116.5 (24th) / -4.3 (25th) / 50.3 (15th)
this year overall: 113.7 (5th) / 113.4 (13th) / +4.0 (8th) / 50.8 (9th)

the poor 4th quarter play is the biggest difference from last season.

It's bittersweet.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

time to revisit this

ortg/drtg/net/reb%

last year 4th qtr: 115.4 (12th) / 111.1 (7th) / +4.3 (4th) / 52.6 (1st)
this year 4th qtr: 112.2 (20th) / 116.5 (24th) / -4.3 (25th) / 50.3 (15th)
this year overall: 113.7 (5th) / 113.4 (13th) / +4.0 (8th) / 50.8 (9th)

the poor 4th quarter play is the biggest difference from last season.

Since his Minnesota days, here's Thibs 4th quarter net ratings.

Wolves
25th
24th
27th


Knicks
21st
23rd
19th
4th
25th


Last season was an outlier for the Thibodeau experience, he's back to his old ways.

[thebuzzardman]

time to revisit this

ortg/drtg/net/reb%

last year 4th qtr: 115.4 (12th) / 111.1 (7th) / +4.3 (4th) / 52.6 (1st)
this year 4th qtr: 112.2 (20th) / 116.5 (24th) / -4.3 (25th) / 50.3 (15th)
this year overall: 113.7 (5th) / 113.4 (13th) / +4.0 (8th) / 50.8 (9th)

the poor 4th quarter play is the biggest difference from last season.

Since his Minnesota days, here's Thibs 4th quarter net ratings.

Wolves
25th
24th
27th


Knicks
21st
23rd
19th
4th
25th


Last season was an outlier for the Thibodeau experience, he's back to his old ways.

OG was fresh

This year burned out like every player

[DOT]

time to revisit this

ortg/drtg/net/reb%

last year 4th qtr: 115.4 (12th) / 111.1 (7th) / +4.3 (4th) / 52.6 (1st)
this year 4th qtr: 112.2 (20th) / 116.5 (24th) / -4.3 (25th) / 50.3 (15th)
this year overall: 113.7 (5th) / 113.4 (13th) / +4.0 (8th) / 50.8 (9th)

the poor 4th quarter play is the biggest difference from last season.

Since his Minnesota days, here's Thibs 4th quarter net ratings.

Wolves
25th
24th
27th


Knicks
21st
23rd
19th
4th
25th


Last season was an outlier for the Thibodeau experience, he's back to his old ways.

Over the last 15 games we have a -9.2 Net rating in the 4th quarter, 24th in the league in that span

Overall, we're only at -4.3 in the 4th, so it's gotten worse

It's almost like when you play guys ridiculous minutes all year, the fatigue builds up or something.

[8516knicks]

4th quarter stats
ortg/drtg/net/reb%

this year: 109.9 (25th) / 122.6 (29th) / -13.6 (29th) / 48.7 (21st)

last year: 115.4 (12th) / 111.1 (7th) / +4.3 (4th) / 52.6 (1st)

that is a pretty massive drop off in all 4 categories.

Very noticible when perusing the box scores especially in 2025.

[8516knicks]

time to revisit this

ortg/drtg/net/reb%

last year 4th qtr: 115.4 (12th) / 111.1 (7th) / +4.3 (4th) / 52.6 (1st)
this year 4th qtr: 112.2 (20th) / 116.5 (24th) / -4.3 (25th) / 50.3 (15th)
this year overall: 113.7 (5th) / 113.4 (13th) / +4.0 (8th) / 50.8 (9th)

the poor 4th quarter play is the biggest difference from last season.

Since his Minnesota days, here's Thibs 4th quarter net ratings.

Wolves
25th
24th
27th


Knicks
21st
23rd
19th
4th
25th


Last season was an outlier for the Thibodeau experience, he's back to his old ways.

Over the last 15 games we have a -9.2 Net rating in the 4th quarter, 24th in the league in that span

Overall, we're only at -4.3 in the 4th, so it's gotten worse

It's almost like when you play guys ridiculous minutes all year, the fatigue builds up or something.

To paraphrase Stalin, "In the future there will be fewer but better Knicks!" (Thibs motto?)

[TKKnicks1]

Yep and this is how I predict we will lose to the Pistons in game 7. 4th quarter letdown.

[3toheadmelo]

Biggest identity change is trading for a wing that hasn't played defense in years and playing KAT out of position at the 5.

Aged like fine wine

[Handledatruth]

Yep and this is how I predict we will lose to the Pistons in game 7. 4th quarter letdown.

OG will end up guarding Cade at some point in the series. Probably even game 1 and then the Pistons will have nothing else. That team is us before we got Kat and Bridges. Iso the point guard to death and hope for good shooting. The series would be even easier if coach would just start Mitchell and let Hart come off the bench, but he won't do that. Anyway, ya'll are too worried about this series. It's Boston afterwards that's a worry since we can't guard a pick and pop to save our lives.

[spree2kawhi]

4th quarter stats
ortg/drtg/net/reb%

this year: 109.9 (25th) / 122.6 (29th) / -13.6 (29th) / 48.7 (21st)

last year: 115.4 (12th) / 111.1 (7th) / +4.3 (4th) / 52.6 (1st)

that is a pretty massive drop off in all 4 categories.

Hmm, how could that possibly be explained…?

I don't know but, it shows we're not the worst!

We’re relying too much on starters so they’re not that quick in late game situations anymore. Offensively, all we do is ISO-Brunson, and I don’t get it. This team will be able to do a lot more soon enough.

[spree2kawhi]

Biggest identity change is trading for a wing that hasn't played defense in years and playing KAT out of position at the 5.

Aged like fine wine

Vinegar doesn’t age like wine.

[3toheadmelo]

Biggest identity change is trading for a wing that hasn't played defense in years and playing KAT out of position at the 5.

Aged like fine wine

Vinegar doesn’t age like wine.

Sorry all your takes about this team aged like spoiled milk. Can't wait to ship KAT and Mikal away this summer. Maybe next time you'll get something right about our team.

[FrozenEnvelope]

Weird stats considering we have the best clutch player on the team and we have a great record protecting leads but I hope it's something they are aware of and are studying it to see how to fix it or make it better. Maybe those end of the 3rd subs and lineups to start the 4th are the culprit. Maybe sub both JB and KAT around the 6 or 7 mark of the 3rd and have them play 10 mins or the entire 4th. Currently we sub out KAT around the 5 minute mark of the 3rd but he comes back towards the end. JB either plays the entire 3rd or subs out around the 2-3 minute mark and doesn't come back until the 7-8 mark of the 4th.

[knicks94]

time to revisit this

ortg/drtg/net/reb%

last year 4th qtr: 115.4 (12th) / 111.1 (7th) / +4.3 (4th) / 52.6 (1st)
this year 4th qtr: 112.2 (20th) / 116.5 (24th) / -4.3 (25th) / 50.3 (15th)
this year overall: 113.7 (5th) / 113.4 (13th) / +4.0 (8th) / 50.8 (9th)

the poor 4th quarter play is the biggest difference from last season.

Since his Minnesota days, here's Thibs 4th quarter net ratings.

Wolves
25th
24th
27th


Knicks
21st
23rd
19th
4th
25th


Last season was an outlier for the Thibodeau experience, he's back to his old ways.

OG was fresh

This year burned out like every player

Someone needs to burn Thibs' coaching license.

[Jeff Van Gully]

This is a subset of not having figured out/not having the personnel for the defense.

love my que lo que brethren to death, but those 48 minutes of excellent center defense were a big deal.