Official Frank Ntilikina Thread

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I think the groin is where the offense originates from. It's just Frank's offense trying to drop.

It sure is. Clearly he was scared to be aggressive all season because of it. My guess is that he re-aggravated it back in December and wasn’t the same since


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[BeagleBoss]

The Ntilikina pick used to anger me so much but I'm done with it. You can't hit on all draft picks and the regime that picked him is gone. We got lucky with Mitch, which makes up for it. Just trade him before he has no value.

[JXL]

I'm done with this dude.

[BeagleBoss]

I still think Ntilikina has a place in this league as a role player off the bench who can defend and hit an occasional jumper for 15-20 mpg but I don't have the patience for it. He can be a Garrett Temple/Tony Snell for a really good team if he can ever stay healthy and find his niche.

[2010]

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I think the groin is where the offense originates from. It's just Frank's offense trying to drop.

It sure is. Clearly he was scared to be aggressive all season because of it. My guess is that he re-aggravated it back in December and wasn’t the same since


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You are such an unabashed Frank apologist that KoC's sarcasm flew way over your head

[2010]

I still think Ntilikina has a place in this league as a role player off the bench who can defend and hit an occasional jumper for 15-20 mpg but I don't have the patience for it. He can be a Garrett Temple/Tony Snell for a really good team if he can ever stay healthy and find his niche.

Now just imagine if Temple and Snell were drafted with the 8th overall pick and ahead of a player with the obvious talent of a guy such as Donovan Mitchell.

Temple went undrafted and Snell was a #20th selection.

I have said it before and I'll say it again. Frank was a late first or 2nd round caliber pick. We reached for a fit pick based on Phil's loyalty to an atiquated offense. Phil wanted to prove he was right about the △ more than he wanted to draft the BPA.

That's it in a nutshell.

[blueNorange]

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you follow sports enough to know this type of injury is hard to predict.

groin/hamstring injuries are the trickiest things to come back from because there's no time table and it's so easy to re-aggravate.

[blueNorange]

I still think Ntilikina has a place in this league as a role player off the bench who can defend and hit an occasional jumper for 15-20 mpg but I don't have the patience for it. He can be a Garrett Temple/Tony Snell for a really good team if he can ever stay healthy and find his niche.

Now just imagine if Temple and Snell were drafted with the 8th overall pick and ahead of a player with the obvious talent of a guy such as Donovan Mitchell.

Temple went undrafted and Snell was a #20th selection.

I have said it before and I'll say it again. Frank was a late first or 2nd round caliber pick. We reached for a fit pick based on Phil's loyalty to an atiquated offense. Phil wanted to prove he was right about the △ more than he wanted to draft the BPA.

That's it in a nutshell.

it is what it is, he can still be serviceable.

it's up to him.

[BeagleBoss]

I still think Ntilikina has a place in this league as a role player off the bench who can defend and hit an occasional jumper for 15-20 mpg but I don't have the patience for it. He can be a Garrett Temple/Tony Snell for a really good team if he can ever stay healthy and find his niche.

Now just imagine if Temple and Snell were drafted with the 8th overall pick and ahead of a player with the obvious talent of a guy such as Donovan Mitchell.

Temple went undrafted and Snell was a #20th selection.

I have said it before and I'll say it again. Frank was a late first or 2nd round caliber pick. We reached for a fit pick based on Phil's loyalty to an atiquated offense. Phil wanted to prove he was right about the △ more than he wanted to draft the BPA.

That's it in a nutshell.

Agreed and I believe they fell in love with Ntilikina's measurables. They thought they were getting a Penny Hardaway, 6'6" PG type but he doesn't have that skill, athleticism, talent or motor.

[2010]

I still think Ntilikina has a place in this league as a role player off the bench who can defend and hit an occasional jumper for 15-20 mpg but I don't have the patience for it. He can be a Garrett Temple/Tony Snell for a really good team if he can ever stay healthy and find his niche.

Now just imagine if Temple and Snell were drafted with the 8th overall pick and ahead of a player with the obvious talent of a guy such as Donovan Mitchell.

Temple went undrafted and Snell was a #20th selection.

I have said it before and I'll say it again. Frank was a late first or 2nd round caliber pick. We reached for a fit pick based on Phil's loyalty to an atiquated offense. Phil wanted to prove he was right about the △ more than he wanted to draft the BPA.

That's it in a nutshell.

it is what it is, he can still be serviceable.

it's up to him.

Yeah but what disappoints me more than revisiting the pick slot or passing over Donovan is this --->> the one thing that truly is "up to him", Frank doesn't want to change. His mindset!

[BeagleBoss]

And they fell in love with Ntilikina the person. He's a nice kid. Clean cut, respectful, coachable and didn't come from that AAU circuit and culture. I think it was clear drafting the best basketball player wasn't the top priority in that draft.

[2010]

I still think Ntilikina has a place in this league as a role player off the bench who can defend and hit an occasional jumper for 15-20 mpg but I don't have the patience for it. He can be a Garrett Temple/Tony Snell for a really good team if he can ever stay healthy and find his niche.

Now just imagine if Temple and Snell were drafted with the 8th overall pick and ahead of a player with the obvious talent of a guy such as Donovan Mitchell.

Temple went undrafted and Snell was a #20th selection.

I have said it before and I'll say it again. Frank was a late first or 2nd round caliber pick. We reached for a fit pick based on Phil's loyalty to an atiquated offense. Phil wanted to prove he was right about the △ more than he wanted to draft the BPA.

That's it in a nutshell.

Agreed and I believe they fell in love with Ntilikina's measurables. They thought they were getting a Penny Hardaway, 6'6" PG type but he doesn't have that skill, athleticism, talent or motor.

This is where proper scouting failed them. This is where the eye test failed them. This is why Gaines got Twitter fingers now and is taking notes on what KT says instead of taking notes on players in exchange for money from an actual team (i.e. - no job).

Frank didn't pass the eye test for me which is why I hopped off the wagon. Once I really poured over his tapes he was stiff, he was awkward, he lacked burst, he lacked athleticism, he lacked wiggle, etc.

His supporters kept pointing to the U18 games but even then when he scored productively it was mostly all on jumpshots. He just got hot. But the ball skills weren't there. The moves weren't there. And he was playing against schills.

[blueNorange]

Now just imagine if Temple and Snell were drafted with the 8th overall pick and ahead of a player with the obvious talent of a guy such as Donovan Mitchell.

Temple went undrafted and Snell was a #20th selection.

I have said it before and I'll say it again. Frank was a late first or 2nd round caliber pick. We reached for a fit pick based on Phil's loyalty to an atiquated offense. Phil wanted to prove he was right about the △ more than he wanted to draft the BPA.

That's it in a nutshell.

it is what it is, he can still be serviceable.

it's up to him.

Yeah but what disappoints me more the revisiting the pick slot or passing over Donovan is this --->> the one thing that truly is "up to him" Frank doesn't want to change. His mindset!

eh, gallinari was sort of the same coming up and has become a guy that now takes charge.

[2010]

it is what it is, he can still be serviceable.

it's up to him.

Yeah but what disappoints me more the revisiting the pick slot or passing over Donovan is this --->> the one thing that truly is "up to him" Frank doesn't want to change. His mindset!

eh, gallinari was sort of the same coming up and has become a guy that now takes charge.

While Gallo didn't want to be THE MAN and had a complimentary piece mindset, he still always had confidence and some balls. This dude challenged Tractor Traylor - even tho he physically came out on the short end of the stick. He was never gunshy about pulling the trigger when he was open either. Gallo deferred but he knew when to shoot and when not to. I would never describe him as tentative. Not even in those early years of his.

[1999]

it is what it is, he can still be serviceable.

it's up to him.

Yeah but what disappoints me more the revisiting the pick slot or passing over Donovan is this --->> the one thing that truly is "up to him" Frank doesn't want to change. His mindset!

eh, gallinari was sort of the same coming up and has become a guy that now takes charge.

I don’t think we’ve ever seen a player like Frank. Not trying to bash him but the gallo comparison is not a good one. Gallo was awkward with the ball at times and played “scared” when the Melo trade rumors started but he definitely showed more than frank. He also was up for the challenge of at least trying to hit big shots. I remember him going toe to toe with Melo the last game the Knicks played against Denver at msg before the trade. Franks good games feel flukey to me. He gets hot some nights but never strings together groups of games at least showing the same aggression. It’s disappointing for sure.


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[3toheadmelo]

I still think Ntilikina has a place in this league as a role player off the bench who can defend and hit an occasional jumper for 15-20 mpg but I don't have the patience for it. He can be a Garrett Temple/Tony Snell for a really good team if he can ever stay healthy and find his niche.

Now just imagine if Temple and Snell were drafted with the 8th overall pick and ahead of a player with the obvious talent of a guy such as Donovan Mitchell.

Temple went undrafted and Snell was a #20th selection.

I have said it before and I'll say it again. Frank was a late first or 2nd round caliber pick. We reached for a fit pick based on Phil's loyalty to an atiquated offense. Phil wanted to prove he was right about the △ more than he wanted to draft the BPA.

That's it in a nutshell.

He was a massive reach at #8. I cursed up a storm in my house when Adam silver announced the pick. Ever since we drafted him, I been trying to convince myself that he will prove me wrong but it always comes back to that he wasn’t the right pick.

This was Phil’s final F U to the knicks organization before he got canned

[Phish Tank]

I think the groin is where the offense originates from. It's just Frank's offense trying to drop.

It sure is. Clearly he was scared to be aggressive all season because of it. My guess is that he re-aggravated it back in December and wasn’t the same since


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You are such an unabashed Frank apologist that KoC's sarcasm flew way over your head

No you’re obsessed with me. Find another obsession in life


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--Mags

you follow sports enough to know this type of injury is hard to predict.

groin/hamstring injuries are the trickiest things to come back from because there's no time table and it's so easy to re-aggravate.

That's what the training staff gets paid for. To strengthen and prepare him against that.

--Mags

[Nazrmohamed]

The Ntilikina pick used to anger me so much but I'm done with it. You can't hit on all draft picks and the regime that picked him is gone. We got lucky with Mitch, which makes up for it. Just trade him before he has no value.

Too late