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Re: PG: KNICKS Z-League Beats Charlotte Starters 

Post#221 » by RHODEY » Wed Oct 16, 2024 9:05 pm

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Worst_to_First wrote:LaMelo a team worst minus 16 against our bench. Sad to see.

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I don't understand how he was the last pick in the past draft with his skillset.

He would have been much higher but he injured his achilles.
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Post#222 » by RHODEY » Wed Oct 16, 2024 9:15 pm

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we got ourselves bootleg ayton
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I totally misread this guy. He seems legit and ready to contribute now. I like how physical he is and Thibs is gonna love that too.

It kinda makes sense, considering how open they are to moving Mitch.
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Post#223 » by stuporman » Wed Oct 16, 2024 9:32 pm

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I don't understand how he was the last pick in the past draft with his skillset.

He would have been much higher but he injured his achilles.


That and him already being 22 together probably contributed to it. This FO seems to like the older prospects and it's been working out for them more often than not so who are we to doubt the process.
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Post#224 » by thebuzzardman » Wed Oct 16, 2024 9:40 pm

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RHODEY wrote:
omerome wrote:I don't understand how he was the last pick in the past draft with his skillset.

He would have been much higher but he injured his achilles.


That and him already being 22 together probably contributed to it. This FO seems to like the older prospects and it's been working out for them more often than not so who are we to doubt the process.


McCullars also older and also dropped on injury concerns. Interesting approach.

Then the Knicks steal the Mavs head doctor/trainer guy.

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Post#225 » by stuporman » Wed Oct 16, 2024 9:53 pm

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RHODEY wrote:He would have been much higher but he injured his achilles.


That and him already being 22 together probably contributed to it. This FO seems to like the older prospects and it's been working out for them more often than not so who are we to doubt the process.


McCullars also older and also dropped on injury concerns. Interesting approach.

Then the Knicks steal the Mavs head doctor/trainer guy.

Don Leon.


I understand some of the allure of an 18 or 19 year old kid with unrealized potential but as someone once said potential just means you aint done crap yet.

Over the course of a possible 10 year pro career the difference between 19 and 21 or 22 isn't as big of a deal as having a still young player who has some of their skills developed so you know what they can or can't do to some degree. Not just a blank slate and the imagination to fill in the blanks.

This way you can find gems like Deuce that still has upside on top of proven skills and avoid players like Obi that has obvious limitations shown through the few years of experience.

Yet I'll permit myself to be deluded into thinking they got themselves one of those unlimited upside potential teens in Paco that will become a star found in the late first round.

Don't you dare join me in this delusion, though, I need you to tell me I'm an idiot for thinking it, thanks in advance.
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Re: PG: KNICKS Z-League Beats Charlotte Starters 

Post#226 » by BKlutch » Wed Oct 16, 2024 10:03 pm

BrOnXKing1 wrote:Sims just needs an offseason to work on his game hair.

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Post#227 » by RHODEY » Wed Oct 16, 2024 10:30 pm

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stuporman wrote:
RHODEY wrote:He would have been much higher but he injured his achilles.


That and him already being 22 together probably contributed to it. This FO seems to like the older prospects and it's been working out for them more often than not so who are we to doubt the process.


McCullars also older and also dropped on injury concerns. Interesting approach.

Then the Knicks steal the Mavs head doctor/trainer guy.

Don Leon.

I heard McCullar's defense is supposed to be at insane levels...ie best int he entire draft.
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Post#228 » by omerome » Wed Oct 16, 2024 10:32 pm

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stuporman wrote:
That and him already being 22 together probably contributed to it. This FO seems to like the older prospects and it's been working out for them more often than not so who are we to doubt the process.


McCullars also older and also dropped on injury concerns. Interesting approach.

Then the Knicks steal the Mavs head doctor/trainer guy.

Don Leon.

I heard McCullar's defense is supposed to be at insane levels.

Yeah, you can look at his college tapes and he's an ELITE defensive player. If he can develop a consistent jump shot and show that he can return to what he was, he will be a rotation player. He's everything Thibs would want.
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Post#229 » by JayTWill » Wed Oct 16, 2024 10:47 pm

Lol I love how we are making scouting reports for Huk partially based on a 33 second video clip from twitter. Somehow this clip includes two 3pts shots, one of them being the only 3pt shot Hukporti ever made playing for Melbourne. To his credit the numbers show that Huk was taking over 2 threes a game in 2020-21 at 27.7% for a team in a Lithuanian league but he took one 3pt shot the next year and none last year. I'm not saying he can't develop that part of his game but the numbers don't show that it is part of his game currently.

I'm definitely not watching this entire 2.5 hour clip but 6 minutes into the first 44 minute segment on shot attempts I don't think I have seen a single jump shot but he does get into his summer time Mitch bag for a moment at the 6:17 mark
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Post#230 » by HarthorneWingo » Wed Oct 16, 2024 10:54 pm

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I'd hate to see Precious go. I think he'll be an important part of our bench this season. His contact is only $1.6M.


6M


Where would a $20M player get minutes at?
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Post#231 » by DaGawd » Wed Oct 16, 2024 10:55 pm

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I'd hate to see Precious go. I think he'll be an important part of our bench this season. His contact is only $1.6M.


6M


Where would a $20M player get minutes at?

we have a hole now where shamet was
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Post#232 » by Tomato Sauce » Wed Oct 16, 2024 11:13 pm

Dadiet and Kolek can have shamets minutes.
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Post#233 » by Jalen Bluntson » Wed Oct 16, 2024 11:55 pm

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6M


Where would a $20M player get minutes at?

we have a hole now where shamet was


:dontknow: He played in 3 preseason games. We have Kolek/Pac-Man if we need them. We have Payne/Deuce still. TJ may stick. Shamet wasn't even a lock to make the team. Just a solid option for the vet minimum.

He's definitely not creating a hole we can't fill. Pause.
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Post#234 » by BKlutch » Thu Oct 17, 2024 12:30 am

I'm not sure if anybody posted this, but Begley said we're likely keeping Huk.
https://sny.tv/articles/knicks-preseason-landry-shamet-injury-roster-marcus-morris

Barring injury, big man Ariel Hukporti is likely to be converted. If the Knicks convert Hukporti, they would have 13 players on traditional deals.

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Post#235 » by Guano » Thu Oct 17, 2024 12:37 am

JayTWill wrote:Lol I love how we are making scouting reports for Huk partially based on a 33 second video clip from twitter. Somehow this clip includes two 3pts shots, one of them being the only 3pt shot Hukporti ever made playing for Melbourne. To his credit the numbers show that Huk was taking over 2 threes a game in 2020-21 at 27.7% for a team in a Lithuanian league but he took one 3pt shot the next year and none last year. I'm not saying he can't develop that part of his game but the numbers don't show that it is part of his game currently.

I'm definitely not watching this entire 2.5 hour clip but 6 minutes into the first 44 minute segment on shot attempts I don't think I have seen a single jump shot but he does get into his summer time Mitch bag for a moment at the 6:17 mark


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stups actually watched the whole thing. He is prolly Huk's biggest supporter on the site. and he doesn't have the fck sims agenda that most of us Huk fans possess.
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Post#236 » by HighRyzer83 » Thu Oct 17, 2024 1:06 am

Didn't y'all want Richards in the off-season. Huk outplayed Richards clearly
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Post#237 » by Clyde_Style » Thu Oct 17, 2024 1:35 am

HighRyzer83 wrote:Didn't y'all want Richards in the off-season. Huk outplayed Richards clearly


and Precious abused Richards. Went straight into him and scored on Richards multiple times.
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Post#238 » by stuporman » Thu Oct 17, 2024 1:57 am

Guano wrote:
JayTWill wrote:Lol I love how we are making scouting reports for Huk partially based on a 33 second video clip from twitter. Somehow this clip includes two 3pts shots, one of them being the only 3pt shot Hukporti ever made playing for Melbourne. To his credit the numbers show that Huk was taking over 2 threes a game in 2020-21 at 27.7% for a team in a Lithuanian league but he took one 3pt shot the next year and none last year. I'm not saying he can't develop that part of his game but the numbers don't show that it is part of his game currently.

I'm definitely not watching this entire 2.5 hour clip but 6 minutes into the first 44 minute segment on shot attempts I don't think I have seen a single jump shot but he does get into his summer time Mitch bag for a moment at the 6:17 mark


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stups actually watched the whole thing. He is prolly Huk's biggest supporter on the site. and he doesn't have the fck sims agenda that most of us Huk fans possess.


It took me like a week of small sessions to get through it along with videos of the other drafts picks but it being summer and I had not much to do outside in the southwest heat. I may not be his biggest supporter but maybe his first supporter and spoke about it.

Although, it's interesting someone who barely watched any of it seems to know so much about him but this isn't surprising from someone on the internet. I do have a little fark Sims attitude but understand he probably isn't going anywhere just yet because of depth issues.
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Re: PG: KNICKS Z-League Beats Charlotte Starters 

Post#239 » by RHODEY » Thu Oct 17, 2024 2:10 am

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I'd hate to see Precious go. I think he'll be an important part of our bench this season. His contact is only $1.6M.


6M


Where would a $20M player get minutes at?
If we have to trade Mitch I certainly wouldn't trade Precious too. And if they are angling for old ass Marcus Smart with that 20 million... that would majorly DUMB imo.
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Post#240 » by Luv those Knicks » Thu Oct 17, 2024 4:17 am

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mavs continue to bless this organization. i love them tbh


They gave us hawk tuah?


I wouldn't say the Mavs "gave him", Knicks were wheeling and dealing on draft night and of those trades, the Dallas trade made the least amount of sense to me at the time, as they didn't add assets, just cash.

Pick 51: Traded to Dallas for 58 and $1,000,000

Dallas wanted a player at 51, so they got that pick, we got their #58 pick and a million bucks. We took Huk at 58.

I think if NY thought Huk was a "must get", they wouldn't have traded back at that point. As the last pick in the draft, essentially every team passed over Huk.

NY did a few interesting things on draft night.

They shed one of their two first rounders, not wanting to add the salary. Actually trading it twice. Pick 24 for pick 26 and 51.
Then trading Pick 26 for like 5 future 2nd rounders.

Their 2nd first rounder was used on a draft and stash player, who decided he didn't want to be stashed, so he came over, but signed for 20% under the standard signing amount.

Then after trying to not pay any first rounders this year on draft day, they traded up to get Kolek, because he was their guy. Trading 3 future 2nds to get Kolek.

After that, they traded back

Pick 38: Traded to OKC for 40 and $500,000
Pick 40: Traded to Phoenix for 51, 56 and 2028 BOS 2nd (Top 45 Protected)
Pick 51: Traded to Dallas for 58 and 1,000,000

So, collectively, pick 38 for picks 56 and 58 and 1.5 million.

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Trading out of the first round was to avoid adding unwanted salary going into this year and add future 2nds

Then, trading future 2nds because they wanted Kolek

Then trading back and trading back is interesting. Apparently they saw more value in 2 2nds at the end of the draft than they saw in whoever they could have picked at 38.

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