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MeloDrama Part VI

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Re: MeloDrama Part VI 

Post#2341 » by Greenie » Tue Jul 8, 2014 4:19 pm

jonny31623 wrote:
omerome wrote:
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why cant you just give us a straight answer on things, you are starting to get annoying with all your read between the lines bs.

Because if he says too much, it gives away whatever the Knicks are trying to do and another team can interfere.

At this point, I welcome someone who has sources and contributes to the board, but I've been scorned too many times in the past that I believe that nothing happens until it happens.



honestly thats a load of crap no offense. if something was in the works he would say exactly what it is. theres no way someone can withold that kind of information if they know it. its just human nature.

DAMMITTT WE NEED TO KNOWWWWWWWWWWW....

i dont know mayb he is right and people really do read this board, but thats crazy if true.

He could actually work for the Knicks and therefor can't say too much.
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Re: MeloDrama Part VI 

Post#2342 » by jonny31623 » Tue Jul 8, 2014 4:20 pm

omerome wrote:
jonny31623 wrote:
omerome wrote:Because if he says too much, it gives away whatever the Knicks are trying to do and another team can interfere.

At this point, I welcome someone who has sources and contributes to the board, but I've been scorned too many times in the past that I believe that nothing happens until it happens.



honestly thats a load of crap no offense. if something was in the works he would say exactly what it is. theres no way someone can withold that kind of information if they know it. its just human nature.

DAMMITTT WE NEED TO KNOWWWWWWWWWWW....

i dont know mayb he is right and people really do read this board, but thats crazy if true.

Something can be in the works, but until it's official, it can fall through. A way it can fall through is if someone knows what you are trying to do and prevents you from doing it.

If we're looking for a team that has capspace to use for Amare or Barg's contract, the team we are dealing with can agree in principal, but then at the last minute, another team knows what the Knicks are trying to do and steps in with a better offer, our plans are known and stopped.

Besides, like someone mentioned earlier, why would he be completely specific about something that's not concrete and still likely to change or hinge on the balance of something we can contro? If he says too much, the deal can be compromised, and perhaps it even exposes him, too.


yea everything you are saying is true, IF top executives actually do read this forum. but i have a hard time believing they do, i mean that would be crazy. but just 30 mins ago, i dont know who it was, but someone on the forum said ken berger was wrong about melo #'s and then 10 mins later berger he corrected his article. so i guess you never know.

also with Robert Randolf i dont beleive him because i remember 2 summers ago with the whole steve nash thing, and we all thought it was a rappp until nash chose LA. i dont know if nash changed his mind last minute or what but i remember that thread. so, these guys might know things this minute, but it can all change the next. i doubt that top executives come to this forum, read it, then try to screw over the knicks by offering more. but hey, i dont have as many and1's as carl does so, who the hell am i to say something crazy like that.
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Re: MeloDrama Part VI 

Post#2343 » by ibraheim718 » Tue Jul 8, 2014 4:20 pm

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he just said he doesn't know melo.



Then how does he know which teams are out? Melo called the Knicks/Nets to let them know, but not all of those teams?


you're not paying attention. go back and read his posts.


What he's saying is how would anyone in the Knicks front office (where carl's source supposedly is) know that Melo has eliminated Chicago, Houston, or Dallas? The only way Carl or anyone would know this is if it came from the Melo camp.
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Re: MeloDrama Part VI 

Post#2344 » by Lotsix » Tue Jul 8, 2014 4:20 pm

so whats the consensus....trying to dump stat to be able to bring in gasol or? whats the deal exactly? can they get under the cap shipping the tall italian good with THJR and Shump with Stat and bring in bron w melo?
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Re: MeloDrama Part VI 

Post#2345 » by EricAnderson » Tue Jul 8, 2014 4:20 pm

This guy has balls if nothing else he's been all over Cleveland radio and media the past week

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Re: MeloDrama Part VI 

Post#2346 » by mpharris36 » Tue Jul 8, 2014 4:20 pm

suicidedeuce wrote:FYI, as opposed to html pages which are "static" (meaning when you publish the page the content is fixed and is easier to "call), message forums like these are "dynamic", meaning always every single call to the database is unique... the pages are constantly changing.

New posts are added, contents like people sigs and avis can change. That is VERY taxing to a database. Forums like this often crash during heavy activity periods.

If there system is anything like ones I'm familiar with, it's hard to just add bandwidth to cover an outlying event like this one.

I assume we're just going to have live with some outages until all this is settled.


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Re: MeloDrama Part VI 

Post#2347 » by Moose » Tue Jul 8, 2014 4:20 pm

suicidedeuce wrote:
Moose wrote:Gasol and Love wouldn't consider playing together on max deals? Gasol and Millsap?


Ignoring the fact Love very likely won't make it to free agency, why are you prepared to offer any of those players the max and not melo?

Milsap at the max but not melo?

Explain?

What you are saying is, without Melo, the Knicks will never sign another big free agent ever. I find that hard to believe.


What I'm saying it Melo is your best shot at signing a big free agent. And then singing one big free agent makes it easier to sign another.


Wouldn't sign millsap to a max, was just giving options.

If Melo takes his max, we might not even have a max to hand out. We're talking upwards of 25mill per. Depends on how it is structured.
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Re: MeloDrama Part VI 

Post#2348 » by jonny31623 » Tue Jul 8, 2014 4:21 pm

greenhughes wrote:
jonny31623 wrote:
omerome wrote:Because if he says too much, it gives away whatever the Knicks are trying to do and another team can interfere.

At this point, I welcome someone who has sources and contributes to the board, but I've been scorned too many times in the past that I believe that nothing happens until it happens.



honestly thats a load of crap no offense. if something was in the works he would say exactly what it is. theres no way someone can withold that kind of information if they know it. its just human nature.

DAMMITTT WE NEED TO KNOWWWWWWWWWWW....

i dont know mayb he is right and people really do read this board, but thats crazy if true.

He could actually work for the Knicks and therefor can't say too much.


only one way to find out.

Carl, do you work for the knicks? say jordan is coming back out of retirement if you do. if not, then eddy curry is going to be our new jump shooting coach. cool?
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Re: MeloDrama Part VI 

Post#2349 » by LJ4pointplay » Tue Jul 8, 2014 4:21 pm

Philly is 32 million short of cap? And Lin is 8 million against cap? I guess they can take both Amare AND Lin. Of course, they then would have to pay the difference above the salary cap floor out of their pockets- BUT that is what our 3 million is for!
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Re: MeloDrama Part VI 

Post#2350 » by AmazingJason » Tue Jul 8, 2014 4:22 pm

LJ4pointplay wrote:
god shammgod wrote:
DaGawd wrote:Whats the hold up.. why isn't Amare not a Knick yet!?


if philly is the only spot for us to dump him and the rockets to dump lin, they can make us bid against each other. which means they're gonna demand the world to take either one.


Can Philly take both Lin and Amare?

Can Milwaukee take on one?

Can Magic?


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Re: MeloDrama Part VI 

Post#2351 » by suicidedeuce » Tue Jul 8, 2014 4:23 pm

Moose wrote:Wouldn't sign millsap to a max, was just giving options.


But that's the whole point. We know the options.
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Re: MeloDrama Part VI 

Post#2352 » by MGW33 » Tue Jul 8, 2014 4:23 pm

If we trade STAT to Philly, we need first round draft picks in return.

Carl, what draft picks are we getting in return for Amare?
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Re: MeloDrama Part VI 

Post#2353 » by moocow007 » Tue Jul 8, 2014 4:23 pm

Lotsix wrote:so whats the consensus....trying to dump stat to be able to bring in gasol or? whats the deal exactly? can they get under the cap shipping the tall italian good with THJR and Shump with Stat and bring in bron w melo?


The consensus is that we have no idea what's going to happen but if we are creatures full of hope and faith that something good is about to happen...but if we are creatures of doubt and overall just curmudgeons then something bad (aka the Knick fan "inevitable") will happen. So essentially...strap on and enjoy the ride for however long it is. We'll find out eventually what's going to happen.
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Re: MeloDrama Part VI 

Post#2354 » by omerome » Tue Jul 8, 2014 4:24 pm

jonny31623 wrote:yea everything you are saying is true, IF top executives actually do read this forum. but i have a hard time believing they do, i mean that would be crazy. but just 30 mins ago, i dont know who it was, but someone on the forum said ken berger was wrong about melo #'s and then 10 mins later berger he corrected his article. so i guess you never know.

also with Robert Randolf i dont beleive him because i remember 2 summers ago with the whole steve nash thing, and we all thought it was a rappp until nash chose LA. i dont know if nash changed his mind last minute or what but i remember that thread. so, these guys might know things this minute, but it can all change the next. i doubt that top executives come to this forum, read it, then try to screw over the knicks by offering more. but hey, i dont have as many and1's as carl does so, who the hell am i to say something crazy like that.

The top executives may not read the board, but that's what interns are for. They are perfect for situations like this just to "hear the heartbeat of the fanbase" and see what fans are thinking of. It can give them an idea if fans are very much against a move or completely enamored with it. That can and likely will effect ticket sales and then it could *not saying it will*, but could play a role in if a move moves forward.

Or even if executives don't read these boards at all, someone close to the team or even someone who even plays on the team likely does. Word of mouth still spreads fast.
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Re: MeloDrama Part VI 

Post#2355 » by Im Coming Home » Tue Jul 8, 2014 4:24 pm

This longer this takes, the worse I'm feeling about this situation. It's becoming obvious that Melo wants to head down to Miami and everything is being held up by Bosh.

Lebron and Melo are waiting on Bosh to make his decision, if he goes to Houston both Melo and Lebron will be going to Miami.

We're really the only other team in play at this point..
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Re: MeloDrama Part VI 

Post#2356 » by Moose » Tue Jul 8, 2014 4:24 pm

greenhughes wrote:
Moose wrote:
suicidedeuce wrote:
Who, and more importantly, why?

If Melo goes to Chicago. LA has a ton of cap space. Boston will have a ton of cap space.

Which two players are you targeting, why, and why and they coming to NY?



You target the best players available who fit your system.

Is Boston without Rondo that much more appealing than a Knicks team who just tanked to get a top-10 prospect, to go along with the other picks, MCD, Mirotic, etc, and Calderon?

Gasol and Love wouldn't consider playing together on max deals? Gasol and Millsap?

What you are saying is, without Melo, the Knicks will never sign another big free agent ever. I find that hard to believe.

This sounds exactly like the Gallo/Chandler debate when we said stars would love to play with them.
Well then...



So then let's never ever try to rebuild or create a proper plan? Let's keep overpaying for the Eddie curry's of the world. I guess no one is going to come to NY with Phil Jackson, max contract offers, and young talent.

We're doomed forever if Melo is S&T'd to the Bulls along with the great JR Smith.
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Re: MeloDrama Part VI 

Post#2357 » by god shammgod » Tue Jul 8, 2014 4:24 pm

MGW33 wrote:If we trade STAT to Philly, we need first round draft picks in return.

Carl, what draft picks are we getting in return for Amare?


we um.........what ?
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Re: MeloDrama Part VI 

Post#2358 » by kane » Tue Jul 8, 2014 4:24 pm

can someone please tell me why ESPN keeps asking "if melo wants to win where should he go?" and then they say the bulls like is some rhetorical question? and they never address the fact that rose has not played a full season in over TWO YEARS, they just conveniently leave that part out.... and i just heard that charles barkley looking jemele hill say the LAKERS would give melo a better chance at winning then the knicks? HUH?
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Re: MeloDrama Part VI 

Post#2359 » by Rasho Brezec » Tue Jul 8, 2014 4:25 pm

Magilla_Gorilla wrote:
Carl2680 wrote:Teams out of the Melo sweepstake Chicago, Dallas and Houston.


So Carl has sources in the Nets front office, the Knicks front office, and Carmelo's 'inner circle'.

Okay.

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Re: MeloDrama Part VI 

Post#2360 » by mpharris36 » Tue Jul 8, 2014 4:25 pm

Abe_505 wrote:
What he's saying is how would anyone in the Knicks front office (where carl's source supposedly is) know that Melo has eliminated Chicago, Houston, or Dallas? The only way Carl or anyone would know this is if it came from the Melo camp.


not saying I 100% believe him, however. Would it be out of the realm that Melo is staying in contact with Phil.

I'm sure he isn't keeping the knicks in the dark. Maybe Melo's camp has told Phil and the knicks that we are down to 2-3 teams. So that Phil can rule them out.

I'm sure Phil needs a decision soon and wants to be at least kept in the loop
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