Preseason Game and PG Thread #4!!!!!!!!!!!-Knicks Vs Wizards 10/13/25 7:30Pm Est

[thebuzzardman]

What did I say re: Diawara?

New Gen Siakam.

That was my first thought in Summer League

More likely the next Chris Boucher

[thebuzzardman]

Mike Brown said in training camp that things are going to look rough in the beginning and the team will have to go through some growing pains. I'm not sure why people would be surprised that it's playing out exactly how he said it would.

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Bullsh*t. Good offensive coaches know how to install plays or schemes that work right away. This guy sucks coaching offense.

[HEZI]

It’s one thing to look rough and it’s another thing to look so rough that you are getting whooped by 30 by one of the worst teams in the league that’s features mostly young and inexperienced kids meanwhile we got a bunch of vets out there. Wizards should not be looking more structured and disciplined I don’t care if it’s preseason or not. All of our preseason games looked like a bunch of chickens with their heads cut off. We shouldn’t be looking more rough with each game, they should be figuring something out but they look more clueless and lost with each game that goes by

[HEZI]

I don’t think a bad shot exists in this style of offense he’s coaching. Guys are just coming down and throwing up whatever and it seems to be ok and encouraged. Just get it up quick and early and that’s the goal

[thebuzzardman]

I don’t think a bad shot exists in this style of offense he’s coaching. Guys are just coming down and throwing up whatever and it seems to be ok and encouraged. Just get it up quick and early and that’s the goal

Seven Seconds & Mess

[Jalen Bluntson]

I don’t think a bad shot exists in this style of offense he’s coaching. Guys are just coming down and throwing up whatever and it seems to be ok and encouraged. Just get it up quick and early and that’s the goal

Seven Seconds & Mess

Kolek would thrive under D'Antoni!!

[TheGreenArrow]

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[mpharris36]

Mike Brown said in training camp that things are going to look rough in the beginning and the team will have to go through some growing pains. I'm not sure why people would be surprised that it's playing out exactly how he said it would.

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While being a work in progress being dead last in pace is pretty shocking considering that was a point of emphasis.

I got back to this point (which I know you agree with). I think we have to pick either or. I think Brown right now is trying to play the middle ground and try to add proper rim protection while also trying to get the offense to play faster and shoot more 3's.

I just don't see that as viable trying to play two bigs...who don't play fast in KAT and Mitch. You either have to just accept the starters are going to play slow and won't get up a lot of 3's because that is not what they are built for.

Or you need to go smaller and play 5-out. That will certainly take rim protection away from the starters...but the offset would be faster player and more 3pt shots.

I think right now he is trying to play the middle ground which is fine but it won't get us where we need to go in terms of building an identity.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

Running a faster pace makes sense in theory, because we have a release value in the half court that is Brunson, we know he can score against elite set defenses. Last season the Thunder were 6th and the Pacers were 11th in pace, playing faster allows you to muck up the game and get easier buckets here and there for guys that can't necessarily score for themselves in the halfcourt, it also should lead to more threes in transition.


We played at the 26th fastest pace last season, we never got anything easy. Trying to speed up the games could work in our favor, again we know Brunson can get it out the mud against anyone. So getting everyone else some easy buckets to preserve Brunson's energy should be a priority. The issue with a faster pace is against teams that are truly built to do it, those games have the potential to get really ugly if things aren't going our way.

[Jalen Bluntson]

Mike Brown said in training camp that things are going to look rough in the beginning and the team will have to go through some growing pains. I'm not sure why people would be surprised that it's playing out exactly how he said it would.

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While being a work in progress being dead last in pace is pretty shocking considering that was a point of emphasis.

I got back to this point (which I know you agree with). I think we have to pick either or. I think Brown right now is trying to play the middle ground and try to add proper rim protection while also trying to get the offense to play faster and shoot more 3's.

I just don't see that as viable trying to play two bigs...who don't play fast in KAT and Mitch. You either have to just accept the starters are going to play slow and won't get up a lot of 3's because that is not what they are built for.

Or you need to go smaller and play 5-out. That will certainly take rim protection away from the starters...but the offset would be faster player and more 3pt shots.

I think right now he is trying to play the middle ground which is fine but it won't get us where we need to go in terms of building an identity.

I don't know what he's trying to do. He looks like he's learning how to play the glockenspiel!

[NoDopeOnSundays]

Mike Brown said in training camp that things are going to look rough in the beginning and the team will have to go through some growing pains. I'm not sure why people would be surprised that it's playing out exactly how he said it would.

Read on Twitter

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While being a work in progress being dead last in pace is pretty shocking considering that was a point of emphasis.

I got back to this point (which I know you agree with). I think we have to pick either or. I think Brown right now is trying to play the middle ground and try to add proper rim protection while also trying to get the offense to play faster and shoot more 3's.

I just don't see that as viable trying to play two bigs...who don't play fast in KAT and Mitch. You either have to just accept the starters are going to play slow and won't get up a lot of 3's because that is not what they are built for.

Or you need to go smaller and play 5-out. That will certainly take rim protection away from the starters...but the offset would be faster player and more 3pt shots.

I think right now he is trying to play the middle ground which is fine but it won't get us where we need to go in terms of building an identity.

We could play at a faster pace with two bigs if either one of them were allowed to bring the ball up after a rebound. It's how the Thunder/Cavs play fast despite being big.

[thebuzzardman]

Prediction: Brown fired at the all star break

[stuporman]

I have some hesitation about this situation, new coach, new system, high expectations internally and externally just seems ripe for a frustrating season.

I don't know if it's BFS lowering my own expectations or seeing problems that might not be there but I wouldn't be surprised if by the end of it people will be saying the season was a failure given what everybody is predicting.

There's only two scenarios out of dozens that constitute a success, finals or title, everything else will be seen as failure. Tough odds to escape that expectation trap.

[Jalen Bluntson]

If we are looking for pace and space, we cannot start Mitch. He kills BOTH of those. Pace and space is transition and 5-out. Mitch does not stretch the floor and it's crazy to expect him to stay healthy running up and down the court all year.

Deuce in the lineup over Josh makes sense. Can't guard him with a center. Offers better defense. He can run. He can space the floor.

[Fat Kat]

Mike Brown said in training camp that things are going to look rough in the beginning and the team will have to go through some growing pains. I'm not sure why people would be surprised that it's playing out exactly how he said it would.

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While being a work in progress being dead last in pace is pretty shocking considering that was a point of emphasis.

I got back to this point (which I know you agree with). I think we have to pick either or. I think Brown right now is trying to play the middle ground and try to add proper rim protection while also trying to get the offense to play faster and shoot more 3's.

I just don't see that as viable trying to play two bigs...who don't play fast in KAT and Mitch. You either have to just accept the starters are going to play slow and won't get up a lot of 3's because that is not what they are built for.

Or you need to go smaller and play 5-out. That will certainly take rim protection away from the starters...but the offset would be faster player and more 3pt shots.

I think right now he is trying to play the middle ground which is fine but it won't get us where we need to go in terms of building an identity.

We could play at a faster pace with two bigs if either one of them were allowed to bring the ball up after a rebound. It's how the Thunder/Cavs play fast despite being big.

Mitch can’t dribble, pass or shoot. How the hell does Mike Brown think this is going to work. It’s frustrating watching them attempt to play at pace with the wrong pieces.

[Jalen Bluntson]

I will say this, if we could actually hit our shots it wouldn't look as bad. I'll remain calm until 20 games in....if we are winning at least half the games.

[mpharris36]

Mike Brown said in training camp that things are going to look rough in the beginning and the team will have to go through some growing pains. I'm not sure why people would be surprised that it's playing out exactly how he said it would.

Read on Twitter

Read on Twitter

While being a work in progress being dead last in pace is pretty shocking considering that was a point of emphasis.

I got back to this point (which I know you agree with). I think we have to pick either or. I think Brown right now is trying to play the middle ground and try to add proper rim protection while also trying to get the offense to play faster and shoot more 3's.

I just don't see that as viable trying to play two bigs...who don't play fast in KAT and Mitch. You either have to just accept the starters are going to play slow and won't get up a lot of 3's because that is not what they are built for.

Or you need to go smaller and play 5-out. That will certainly take rim protection away from the starters...but the offset would be faster player and more 3pt shots.

I think right now he is trying to play the middle ground which is fine but it won't get us where we need to go in terms of building an identity.

We could play at a faster pace with two bigs if either one of them were allowed to bring the ball up after a rebound. It's how the Thunder/Cavs play fast despite being big.

I think that is a big issue. OG/KAT/Mitch aren't really guys that can get a rebound and go with the ball. So you really only have 2 guys in the lineup you trust bringing up the ball with JB/MIkal.

This is where Hart certainly helped the starters...his ability to get a rebound and go coast to coast was probably the only reason we were 26th in pace last year compared to 32nd.

And now he isn't going to be in the starting lineup. The only other thing that can help with pace is adding in another guard that can help bring the ball up and take one of the bigs off the floor.

Again you will be sacrificing rebounding/rim protection but what are we trying to accomplish here?

Playing two bigs that can't really bring the ball up and OG who really doesn't have adept handle you aren't going to be able to play fast. And we already established because KAT 3 pt shot is really reliant on C&S and not self creation if you have a wing on him you probably aren't going to get KAT a high amount of 3 pt shots.

So you have two pathways. Play the big lineup (slow the pace down) live with the results. And play faster with bench units.

Or

You can't start the two big lineup.


If you want to play the muck it up game with Brunson then a priority should probably to move off KAT because you probably need to go more of the Sixers old iverson builds and just get a bunch of physical grinder types and play great defense and just try to have Brunson bail you out.

KAT simply will get washed out playing the 4...he wont get enough 3 pt shots up and he will probably do more in the post which will be much less efficient offense.

[BKlutch]

Tommy Beer says we rank 32nd in pace in the NBA.

There are only 30 teams in the NBA.

WTF, Tommy?

[GONYK]

Mike Brown said in training camp that things are going to look rough in the beginning and the team will have to go through some growing pains. I'm not sure why people would be surprised that it's playing out exactly how he said it would.

Read on Twitter

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While being a work in progress being dead last in pace is pretty shocking considering that was a point of emphasis.

I got back to this point (which I know you agree with). I think we have to pick either or. I think Brown right now is trying to play the middle ground and try to add proper rim protection while also trying to get the offense to play faster and shoot more 3's.

I just don't see that as viable trying to play two bigs...who don't play fast in KAT and Mitch. You either have to just accept the starters are going to play slow and won't get up a lot of 3's because that is not what they are built for.

Or you need to go smaller and play 5-out. That will certainly take rim protection away from the starters...but the offset would be faster player and more 3pt shots.

I think right now he is trying to play the middle ground which is fine but it won't get us where we need to go in terms of building an identity.

He's definitely trying a few things and has been a bit limited with Hart being out, but aren't the Knicks top 10 in both 3PA and PPG in the preseason so far?

[thebuzzardman]

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While being a work in progress being dead last in pace is pretty shocking considering that was a point of emphasis.

I got back to this point (which I know you agree with). I think we have to pick either or. I think Brown right now is trying to play the middle ground and try to add proper rim protection while also trying to get the offense to play faster and shoot more 3's.

I just don't see that as viable trying to play two bigs...who don't play fast in KAT and Mitch. You either have to just accept the starters are going to play slow and won't get up a lot of 3's because that is not what they are built for.

Or you need to go smaller and play 5-out. That will certainly take rim protection away from the starters...but the offset would be faster player and more 3pt shots.

I think right now he is trying to play the middle ground which is fine but it won't get us where we need to go in terms of building an identity.

We could play at a faster pace with two bigs if either one of them were allowed to bring the ball up after a rebound. It's how the Thunder/Cavs play fast despite being big.

I think that is a big issue. OG/KAT/Mitch aren't really guys that can get a rebound and go with the ball. So you really only have 2 guys in the lineup you trust bringing up the ball with JB/MIkal.

This is where Hart certainly helped the starters...his ability to get a rebound and go coast to coast was probably the only reason we were 26th in pace last year compared to 32nd.

And now he isn't going to be in the starting lineup. The only other thing that can help with pace is adding in another guard that can help bring the ball up and take one of the bigs off the floor.

Again you will be sacrificing rebounding/rim protection but what are we trying to accomplish here?

Playing two bigs that can't really bring the ball up and OG who really doesn't have adept handle you aren't going to be able to play fast. And we already established because KAT 3 pt shot is really reliant on C&S and not self creation if you have a wing on him you probably aren't going to get KAT a high amount of 3 pt shots.

So you have two pathways. Play the big lineup (slow the pace down) live with the results. And play faster with bench units.

Or

You can't start the two big lineup.


If you want to play the muck it up game with Brunson then a priority should probably to move off KAT because you probably need to go more of the Sixers old iverson builds and just get a bunch of physical grinder types and play great defense and just try to have Brunson bail you out.

KAT simply will get washed out playing the 4...he wont get enough 3 pt shots up and he will probably do more in the post which will be much less efficient offense.

OG can bring it up enough