2019 Offseason Speculation Thread - Something gonna happen but will you like it?

[will]

Real talk, Kemba needs to join the Knicks.

Not stay with sorry ass Charlotte.

The Knicks are still a sorry team, but hot damn...Kemba would absolutely light up MSG.


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Kemba's career salary earnings so far are $58,199,401. Assuming Charlotte offer him the maximum they can and the Knicks do the same he has a choice between $190m over 5 years at Charlotte or $141m over 4 years at the Knicks. Which would you take?

Contrast: Irving to date $95m, Butler to date $74m.

I dont like to knock guys for taking more $ (never do when it comes to the NFL) but I think that if I were in the same position as Kemba, I would take take the less money to go to NY b/c 1) opportunity to win 2) hometown team 3) better endorsement opportunities in NY than CHA 4) legacy would increase in NY (if he won)

also, he's gonna get paid a TON of money either way and is already a well-off, so I would take the better opportunity than the better pay day

If/when Kemba brings the Knicks back to respektability...that's legendary status for a hometown dude like Kemba. To be revered in the streets of NY would be absolutely incredible.

Staying in Charlotte for the supermax...SMH.

[NoLayupRule]

Of all the young assets we have Dotson and Robinson are the two best complimentary pieces

They could both play on a real team with real title ambition

A drive by comment that I failed to make the first time. On a real team with real title ambitions Dotson is good(ish) (but his overall defensive awareness doesn't cut the mustard), Mitch is definitely good to good+, it's just a question of can he be better than Gobert in playoff end of games. But the real answer is obviously Frank. And the question is how much offense does a real team with real ambitions need from him in the playoffs. But he's clearly the cream of the crop. Remember those p'n'r numbers from the last thread - where he dropped off from last year to this year ... because .... he was playing with Kanter as the switch guy instead of KP. And he was still good+. A "win it now" Knicks team should ever, ever, eva give Frank up. But, hey. :shrug:

i was going to mention frank too but a player has to be able to score as well as defend otherwise they add their defender to the opposing teams defense

if the opposing teams guard can double off of Frank without consequence then he can really screw up the offense for us

Frank is going to have to add some 3 to his D if he's going to have a role in the NBA IMO

[B8RcDeMktfxC]

Of all the young assets we have Dotson and Robinson are the two best complimentary pieces

They could both play on a real team with real title ambition

A drive by comment that I failed to make the first time. On a real team with real title ambitions Dotson is good(ish) (but his overall defensive awareness doesn't cut the mustard), Mitch is definitely good to good+, it's just a question of can he be better than Gobert in playoff end of games. But the real answer is obviously Frank. And the question is how much offense does a real team with real ambitions need from him in the playoffs. But he's clearly the cream of the crop. Remember those p'n'r numbers from the last thread - where he dropped off from last year to this year ... because .... he was playing with Kanter as the switch guy instead of KP. And he was still good+. A "win it now" Knicks team should ever, ever, eva give Frank up. But, hey. :shrug:

i was going to mention frank too but a player has to be able to score as well as defend otherwise they add their defender to the opposing teams defense

if the opposing teams guard can double off of Frank without consequence then he can really screw up the offense for us

Frank is going to have to add some 3 to his D if he's going to have a role in the NBA IMO

For sure he has to have some offense. But it's a completely different thing on a, eg, Butler-Durant led team to on a Mudiay-THJ (or whatever the **** it was before Frank got injured) led team.

[B8RcDeMktfxC]

Real talk, Kemba needs to join the Knicks.

Not stay with sorry ass Charlotte.

The Knicks are still a sorry team, but hot damn...Kemba would absolutely light up MSG.


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Kemba's career salary earnings so far are $58,199,401. Assuming Charlotte offer him the maximum they can and the Knicks do the same he has a choice between $190m over 5 years at Charlotte or $141m over 4 years at the Knicks. Which would you take?

Contrast: Irving to date $95m, Butler to date $74m.

Actually Charlotte can offer him the super max which I believe would be 5 yrs 221m

Yes, sorry, you're absolutely right. Kinda sleepy today.

[br7knicks]

Morris or Jordan would have to take the MLE. I believe both would rather sign with elsewhere.

you're probably right.

but i think if you get KD and butler on board, someone like jordan/morris would be more than happy to sign for the MLE.

I have my doubts about this ring chasers narrative. The GSW bench is very ordinary (saving Iguodala). If players prefer rings to money, why didnt veterans signed with GSW this past year for the minimum?

jordan is possible because he's already played here. seemed that he felt at home here, and he seemed to enjoy being in NY. plus, once durant went to GS, and cousins following, it seems like there's a negative view, doing that. that's why i don't think you've seen a guy like vince carter do it.

plus, durant and butler coming to NY doesn't make the knicks title contenders (gives a better chance than KD and kyrie, but that's not the point). it makes them a perennial playoff team, but that's about it. being a part of a team to get them over that hump, and to the nba finals is a much better look than going to GS, which is an automatic bid to the finals.

[br7knicks]

Brogdan is my man! I want that dude over Kyrie by a mile. Hear that shammgod? NO KYRIE!

And you will like it.

#Overpay4Brogdon

You need to learn how to spell your man's name right...

Bogdan? This is the guy I want

Spoiler:

if i ever have a kid, this is what i'm doing to them

william williams
daniel danielson
rob robinson



these parents got it right.

[br7knicks]

Same as Kyrie: $32.7m. And he'll get it, too.

unfortunately i think they're right. his max is high, and he'll get it wherever he wants to go. his age also worries me.


but he's one of the few FA who are actually worth the max this off season. KD, kawhi, and butler.


but unfortunately, guys like kyrie, klay, cousins, etc will end up getting the max, too.

doesn't hurt to try for him though.

Cousins? I don't think he gets a max with these last couple of injuries he's had.

i don't think he deserves it. but if he didn't get the last 2 injuries, he would be a max worthy player. that's why i put him in the, doesn't deserve the max, but some team will give him, t harris, middleton, etc max contracts.

[will]

You need to learn how to spell your man's name right...

Bogdan? This is the guy I want

Spoiler:

if i ever have a kid, this is what i'm doing to them

william williams
daniel danielson
rob robinson



these parents got it right.

Bogdan a killer off the bench.

Mans plays his heart out all the damn time.

[br7knicks]

Of all the young assets we have Dotson and Robinson are the two best complimentary pieces

They could both play on a real team with real title ambition

A drive by comment that I failed to make the first time. On a real team with real title ambitions Dotson is good(ish) (but his overall defensive awareness doesn't cut the mustard), Mitch is definitely good to good+, it's just a question of can he be better than Gobert in playoff end of games. But the real answer is obviously Frank. And the question is how much offense does a real team with real ambitions need from him in the playoffs. But he's clearly the cream of the crop. Remember those p'n'r numbers from the last thread - where he dropped off from last year to this year ... because .... he was playing with Kanter as the switch guy instead of KP. And he was still good+. A "win it now" Knicks team should ever, ever, eva give Frank up. But, hey. :shrug:

ive been saying that the last few days.


regardless of what happens this offseason, i'm most excited about dotson and mitch. then if the knicks get someone like rubio, who complements defensive, smart, athletic players? i don't care who else they add. but i'm really hoping frank puts in a lot of hard work this summer to get his 3pt shot consistently. that'll make him at least rotation worthy.

we were promised a 3pt shot out of him, and he hasn't been able to get that under his belt yet. having a guard rotation of rubio, barrett, dotson, and a 3pt shooting frank won't make an all-star team, but it'll compliment a major, max worthy FA very well, regardless of who comes.

[B8RcDeMktfxC]

Smith and Dotson for Warren

Our 17-man roster

Gasol, Parsons off waivers, Korver and Vince for the minimum, Melo for the BAE... Kemba and KD both with the super-max

Kemba / Frank / Allen
RJ / Trier / Vince / #55
Durant / Knox / Korver
Warren / Melo / Parsons
Mitch / DJ / Pau / Kornet

Plenty of options on the table!

The AD trade only in mid season if we wont be enough good to be clear fav in the East

I want to do a Smith + X trade for Warren. Seems like win-win - I think the Suns would snap your hand off to get Smith (assuming they don't somehow draft a PointGod), they have a superfluity of wings and Warren is of much more use to the playoff-orientated KD+X Knicks than Smith. (Not criticism of Smith, fwiw.)

Moneywise, what you propose doesn't quite work.

It has to be Smith+Jenkins for Warren.

Trier: you have to risk him getting a better offer than the Room Exception (if that is how you want to spend it) in order to get him off the salary cap table whilst you are trying to do this deal (and guaranteeing Dotson).

Everyone else not under contract has to be on vet mins. I'm not sure that's realistic for Luke. #55 goes to the G-league - maybe on a 2-way (I believe Hicks's is expiring). Only 15 players on the squad, so Allen stays on his 2-way. Or one of the forwards is too many.

Afaik, the Knicks can't offer Kemba a super-max - only Charlotte can. (So he's weighing up $220m /5 x $140 / 4 .. but as others have said, endorsements and the gloire. Can he make an additional $10m a year in endorsements in New York? An additional $20m to cover the possibility that his career ends in the next 4 years?)

Then you're good to go. :thumbup:

I hate messageboards without a :thumb: / :thumbup:

[Meat]

I would love to see a backcourt with Frank Nitkiulionlnska and Dante Exum.

I would too, they would light up the Israel league

[DowNY]

https://cavaliersnation.com/2019/05/31/report-cavs-trade-rj-barrett-york-knicks/

https://elitesportsny.com/2019/05/31/new-york-knicks-rumors-cavaliers-have-supreme-interest-in-rj-barrett/

Cavs wants RJ Barrett really bad. Would you trade 3th pick and Ntilikina for Cavs 5th pick and Sexton?

Yeah & we wanted Steph Curry real badly but Warriors ended up taking him. Too bad. I don’t give a damn how badly they want him.

[DowNY]

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Lol he’s literally just quoting the info out there. The Bucher stuff been out since the mid week.

[B8RcDeMktfxC]

Of all the young assets we have Dotson and Robinson are the two best complimentary pieces

They could both play on a real team with real title ambition

A drive by comment that I failed to make the first time. On a real team with real title ambitions Dotson is good(ish) (but his overall defensive awareness doesn't cut the mustard), Mitch is definitely good to good+, it's just a question of can he be better than Gobert in playoff end of games. But the real answer is obviously Frank. And the question is how much offense does a real team with real ambitions need from him in the playoffs. But he's clearly the cream of the crop. Remember those p'n'r numbers from the last thread - where he dropped off from last year to this year ... because .... he was playing with Kanter as the switch guy instead of KP. And he was still good+. A "win it now" Knicks team should ever, ever, eva give Frank up. But, hey. :shrug:

ive been saying that the last few days.


regardless of what happens this offseason, i'm most excited about dotson and mitch. then if the knicks get someone like rubio, who complements defensive, smart, athletic players? i don't care who else they add. but i'm really hoping frank puts in a lot of hard work this summer to get his 3pt shot consistently. that'll make him at least rotation worthy.

we were promised a 3pt shot out of him, and he hasn't been able to get that under his belt yet. having a guard rotation of rubio, barrett, dotson, and a 3pt shooting frank won't make an all-star team, but it'll compliment a major, max worthy FA very well, regardless of who comes.

I'm pretty confident that Frank's 3 is going to be fine ... provided Coach Flat can keep the **** out of the way.

There are some mechanical things about his feet/stepping into the shot that Knicksfilmschool had a very informative video about. And those need to be fixed. But the shot in itself is fine, afaics. People say it could be a touch quicker, but I don't think I'd mess with that for now - if you want to save 0.1s each time on catch-and-shoot-3s then try to get the ball into his hands in the right place. And I trust KD/JimmyB/.. to actually be able to make that saving over The Beetle/Timmy.

But beyond that I really think a lot of the problems towards the end of his year were coming from Flat having no consistency in his use & playing time and Frank feeling/knowing he had to second guess Flat's reaction to each and every play before he actually tried to make it. Which, ldo, is almost certainly a disaster for anyone - you make a bunch of bad conscious choices instead of just playing.

A final thing: when Frank was playing with KP, or even to some extent Mitch, he knew that he and the big were providing elite level 1+5 defence (KP=5=rim-protector, whatever about KP "being" a PF). That, at least made him much more comfortable in the way the game was flowing around him generally, which should eventually make for better shooting. (I'm not claiming it did or didn't ... I'm too lazy to look it up tonight ... just that completely generically, the better players are feeling the better they are likely to play *on average*). Playing with Kanter clearly didn't help that, especially those times he was guarding the opponent's 4th-string SF. So back to Flat.

[DowNY]

Real talk, Kemba needs to join the Knicks.

Not stay with sorry ass Charlotte.

The Knicks are still a sorry team, but hot damn...Kemba would absolutely light up MSG.


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Idk. Playing in a place like Charlotte suits Kemba. He’s a Knick fan and from here but something tells me, playing for a lowkey spot was better for his career. Dude was never an attention junky nor stayed out partying. I think he’d have no problem being a Hornet-lifer.

[will]

Real talk, Kemba needs to join the Knicks.

Not stay with sorry ass Charlotte.

The Knicks are still a sorry team, but hot damn...Kemba would absolutely light up MSG.


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Idk. Playing in a place like Charlotte suits Kemba. He’s a Knick fan and from here but something tells me, playing for a lowkey spot was better for his career. Dude was never an attention junky nor stayed out partying. I think he’d have no problem being a Hornet-lifer.

Kemba is a killer. I find it hard to believe he would be content chillin' in Charlotte.

He has the opportunity as the home town kid to lift the Knicks. Not saying he wants the attention and nightlife...purely from a basketball and competitor standpoint.

Steph had that opportunity, but the Knicks then were an absolute circus with Zeke running the show.

[will]

Selfishly, i would feel so robbed if Kemba stayed in Charlotte.

Mans got so much to offer to the NBA that a lot of people don't get to see.

[KnixinSix]

Of all the young assets we have Dotson and Robinson are the two best complimentary pieces

They could both play on a real team with real title ambition

A drive by comment that I failed to make the first time. On a real team with real title ambitions Dotson is good(ish) (but his overall defensive awareness doesn't cut the mustard), Mitch is definitely good to good+, it's just a question of can he be better than Gobert in playoff end of games. But the real answer is obviously Frank. And the question is how much offense does a real team with real ambitions need from him in the playoffs. But he's clearly the cream of the crop. Remember those p'n'r numbers from the last thread - where he dropped off from last year to this year ... because .... he was playing with Kanter as the switch guy instead of KP. And he was still good+. A "win it now" Knicks team should ever, ever, eva give Frank up. But, hey. :shrug:

ive been saying that the last few days.


regardless of what happens this offseason, i'm most excited about dotson and mitch. then if the knicks get someone like rubio, who complements defensive, smart, athletic players? i don't care who else they add. but i'm really hoping frank puts in a lot of hard work this summer to get his 3pt shot consistently. that'll make him at least rotation worthy.

we were promised a 3pt shot out of him, and he hasn't been able to get that under his belt yet. having a guard rotation of rubio, barrett, dotson, and a 3pt shooting frank won't make an all-star team, but it'll compliment a major, max worthy FA very well, regardless of who comes.

I dunno know about you but I am not a fan of 30 win ceiling teams. I welcome the chance to add some stars to the mix here. None of these guys on the roster are Superstar level. The only one that was was KP and we traded him away for the sole purpose of creating 2 max slots for 2 superstars this offseason.

[KnixinSix]

Real talk, Kemba needs to join the Knicks.

Not stay with sorry ass Charlotte.

The Knicks are still a sorry team, but hot damn...Kemba would absolutely light up MSG.


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Idk. Playing in a place like Charlotte suits Kemba. He’s a Knick fan and from here but something tells me, playing for a lowkey spot was better for his career. Dude was never an attention junky nor stayed out partying. I think he’d have no problem being a Hornet-lifer.

Kemba is a killer. I find it hard to believe he would be content chillin' in Charlotte.

He has the opportunity as the home town kid to lift the Knicks. Not saying he wants the attention and nightlife...purely from a basketball and competitor standpoint.

Steph had that opportunity, but the Knicks then were an absolute circus with Zeke running the show.

Well if they offer him the SUPERmax no one can come close. If they dont then I would assume other teams have a chance. In the end I bet they might offer him in between the 2. More than any other team can offer but not the full supermax either.

[B8RcDeMktfxC]

A drive by comment that I failed to make the first time. On a real team with real title ambitions Dotson is good(ish) (but his overall defensive awareness doesn't cut the mustard), Mitch is definitely good to good+, it's just a question of can he be better than Gobert in playoff end of games. But the real answer is obviously Frank. And the question is how much offense does a real team with real ambitions need from him in the playoffs. But he's clearly the cream of the crop. Remember those p'n'r numbers from the last thread - where he dropped off from last year to this year ... because .... he was playing with Kanter as the switch guy instead of KP. And he was still good+. A "win it now" Knicks team should ever, ever, eva give Frank up. But, hey. :shrug:

ive been saying that the last few days.


regardless of what happens this offseason, i'm most excited about dotson and mitch. then if the knicks get someone like rubio, who complements defensive, smart, athletic players? i don't care who else they add. but i'm really hoping frank puts in a lot of hard work this summer to get his 3pt shot consistently. that'll make him at least rotation worthy.

we were promised a 3pt shot out of him, and he hasn't been able to get that under his belt yet. having a guard rotation of rubio, barrett, dotson, and a 3pt shooting frank won't make an all-star team, but it'll compliment a major, max worthy FA very well, regardless of who comes.

I dunno know about you but I am not a fan of 30 win ceiling teams. I welcome the chance to add some stars to the mix here. None of these guys on the roster are Superstar level. The only one that was was KP and we traded him away for the sole purpose of creating 2 max slots for 2 superstars this offseason.

Maybe the context got lost because of too many iterations of quoting.

What we are talking about is what/which of the Knicks current contracts could be somewhat useful pieces on a team with 2 or 3 star players - eg, KD+Butler or KD+AD+Jrue or .. take your poison. And, of course, for each combo of stars the usefulness of any one of the Knicks current contracts will probably vary. But, it is still reasonable to look in the abstract. Eg. ball dominance, no passing and attempted scoring with "landing position = flat on your back" is probably not what you need. Agreed, in that case not under contract ... but you can think similarly about Knox-Smith-Dotson-Trier-Ntilikina-RJ(or whoever)-Jenkins-Garrett-Ellenson.

Not that they are untouchable, just trying to think about what is likely to be useful.

Eg, money on the table, I don't see Smith as useful to a 2/3-star Knicks at all. He has much more value, imo, as a part of a trade for a $11m salary player - RoCo or TJ Warren or .. to a team that actually wants a DRose-lite young PG.