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Re: PG: Knicks Cough It Up For The Pistons 

Post#281 » by NoDopeOnSundays » Tue Jan 14, 2025 4:01 pm

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Huh? Why?

They have a better record after 41 games than last season, the season before that, and the season before that.

-No one expected Cleveland to be #1 in the East (although the talent on that team says otherwise, but just needed the right coach to push them in the right direction)
-Detroit is better than advertised with Cade at All-Star level production with SHOOTING.
-Orlando, Indiana, Milwaukee isn't going away

Why are they in the hot seat? Improvements are almost always linear-based in an NBA season. I expect this team to improve while the FO improves in the margins.


Bro, you’re a dubs fan, if you’re a Knick fan, you know why Thibs is on his way out :crazy: :crazy:


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Re: PG: Knicks Cough It Up For The Pistons 

Post#282 » by The KnicksFix » Tue Jan 14, 2025 4:01 pm

TKKnicks1 wrote:Wow. Just wow.

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The only team we can beat in the first round is Milwaukee
Chicago, ATL, and Detroit would all whupp us. Indiana would give us problems too. We are a mediocre team with Thibs
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Re: PG: Knicks Cough It Up For The Pistons 

Post#283 » by The KnicksFix » Tue Jan 14, 2025 4:02 pm

thebuzzardman wrote:Thibs is awful.

The team came out flat and f*cked up AGAIN in the first quarter.

He can't adjust to coaches who coach a decent defense.

The offense is good because of the players, he does zero with creativity or things to put them in a position to succeed.

He's 100% the bottleneck of the team getting better.


Hey, before I put it all on Thibs, last year the team won 50 games, but it was a LUCKY 50. Like, they had to play out of their minds every night to win.

This year, based on talent, they've changed to a legit 50 win team.

But they are neither talented enough to truly contend OR the coach is holding them back.
I'm going with the 2nd.

So, the trades improved the team. Trades needed to be made. Whether it was really worth going all in on this specific group is another discussion, but the team is absolutely better than last year.
Thibs, however, is exactly who he is.
Won't coach to stop 3's
Gets outcoached REGULARLY
Won't play the bench
Asinine rotations (part of the bench issue but somewhat different)
Isn't creative enough to adjust to zones, basically because his offense is extremely uncreative in the first place. As usual.

It's nice the Knicks don't aren't abjectly awful like they were for years.
I'm still sort of checked out while Thibs is still the coach.
Team isn't going anywhere as currently constructed or with Thibs as coach.
It's easier to change the coach.
Just promote Rick Brunson and Thibs upstairs, find a real coach.
Probably fire all of Thibs assistants. Who needs a bunch of Mini-Thibs around?


This the best post you ever posted Buzz
Thibs is the bottleneck, period. Well said.
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Re: PG: Knicks Cough It Up For The Pistons 

Post#284 » by Wildcat » Tue Jan 14, 2025 4:07 pm

TKKnicks1 wrote:Wow. Just wow.

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I find it it both weird and sad and hilarious how teams flex on the Knicks home court. Where the hell is the pride (oh, it's in Thibs playbook)?
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Re: PG: Knicks Cough It Up For The Pistons 

Post#285 » by NoDopeOnSundays » Tue Jan 14, 2025 4:08 pm

TKKnicks1 wrote:We got no assets left. They shopping freakin Jericho Sims and putting fake news out there like the league actually has interest in this scrub. The team is uber talented but there is absolutely no creativity to mix and match lineups up to get the best out of everyone. Thibs is just gonna let this this carriage ride and practically have the wheels fall off until Mitch gets back and then he will sit back and sign another extension saying " I told you so."



I don't even see how Mitch helps the wings minutes, Tom will just remove Precious from the lineup like he did last season when Mitch came back. He could have played 9 guys but went with an 8 man rotation and moth balled Precious. They played 8 when Precious and Burks could have made it a 10 man rotation.
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Re: PG: Knicks Cough It Up For The Pistons 

Post#286 » by nykballa2k4 » Tue Jan 14, 2025 4:10 pm

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I don't think it's the defense of those two it's the overall team D. JB and KAT are not strong defenders, Hart is a hustle guy but not a stopper, and the loss of iHart and Mitch is felt. I'm seeing Thibs scheme is only good with a great rim protector, he can't adjust from drop coverage to a switching style. Even if Mitch comes back healthy they need to play drop when he's on court and a different way when Kat and the current starters are on. There's no indication Thibs is flexible like that.


I think a blind man should be able to see that we need more rim protection. OG is slow on the perimeter, he can make up for it, but only if his help is between the player and the rim. Need Mitch, need Hukporti (seems we are giving up on Sims) and need a 3rd piece (Eubanks? Theis?) so that we can always have the option of playing KAT at the 4 where although he is going to be slower, he can make up for it with lenth and close out speed.

Underrated angle - KAT is too heavy. He is like in fat-melo shape. He also has a very awkward gait when he moves without the ball (arms up like he is keeping them out of waist high water).

Biggest problem I see is that with KAT on the perimeter - we don't get 2nd chance points as much as we used to (though he is a great rebounder). With Randle (who has similar placement on the floor) we would have 1-2 bigs challenging for 2nd chance points, when iHart gets a board, he never went up with it, so that could become a 3 point shot.

KAT on the perimeter, we have 1 guy going for offensive boards (Hart)
12.6 - last seasons O rebounds per game
10.3 - this seasons O rebounds per game

On 1.2 point per possession, that's a difference of 2.75 ppg.
In terms of significance, that shift would put us above Bulls and Celtics (2 and 3 teams in PPG) at almost 120ppg trailing only Cavs at 122ppg in the east.
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Re: PG: Knicks Cough It Up For The Pistons 

Post#287 » by Gravy » Tue Jan 14, 2025 4:11 pm

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I know the simple way out is to blame Thibs, but the reality is the knicks knowingly gave up defense for premier offense. KAT is an exceptional offensive
Player, but his defense being so poor is a HUGE reason why the defense has dropped off considerably this year just as the offense efficiency has gone way up. This is NOT a coaching problem this is KAT is an awful defender problem

Yeah. KAT was the worst rim protector in the NBA in November. Makes OG and Bridges have to work much harder to cover for him. Not sure what the stats are now though but it still looks bad.

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Re: PG: Knicks Cough It Up For The Pistons 

Post#288 » by Iron Mantis » Tue Jan 14, 2025 4:13 pm

thebuzzardman wrote:Thibs is awful.

The team came out flat and f*cked up AGAIN in the first quarter.

He can't adjust to coaches who coach a decent defense.

The offense is good because of the players, he does zero with creativity or things to put them in a position to succeed.

He's 100% the bottleneck of the team getting better.


Hey, before I put it all on Thibs, last year the team won 50 games, but it was a LUCKY 50. Like, they had to play out of their minds every night to win.

This year, based on talent, they've changed to a legit 50 win team.

But they are neither talented enough to truly contend OR the coach is holding them back.
I'm going with the 2nd.

So, the trades improved the team. Trades needed to be made. Whether it was really worth going all in on this specific group is another discussion, but the team is absolutely better than last year.
Thibs, however, is exactly who he is.
Won't coach to stop 3's
Gets outcoached REGULARLY
Won't play the bench
Asinine rotations (part of the bench issue but somewhat different)
Isn't creative enough to adjust to zones, basically because his offense is extremely uncreative in the first place. As usual.

It's nice the Knicks don't aren't abjectly awful like they were for years.
I'm still sort of checked out while Thibs is still the coach.
Team isn't going anywhere as currently constructed or with Thibs as coach.
It's easier to change the coach.
Just promote Rick Brunson and Thibs upstairs, find a real coach.
Probably fire all of Thibs assistants. Who needs a bunch of Mini-Thibs around?



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Re: PG: Knicks Cough It Up For The Pistons 

Post#289 » by nykballa2k4 » Tue Jan 14, 2025 4:15 pm

NoDopeOnSundays wrote:
TKKnicks1 wrote:We got no assets left. They shopping freakin Jericho Sims and putting fake news out there like the league actually has interest in this scrub. The team is uber talented but there is absolutely no creativity to mix and match lineups up to get the best out of everyone. Thibs is just gonna let this this carriage ride and practically have the wheels fall off until Mitch gets back and then he will sit back and sign another extension saying " I told you so."



I don't even see how Mitch helps the wings minutes, Tom will just remove Precious from the lineup like he did last season when Mitch came back. He could have played 9 guys but went with an 8 man rotation and moth balled Precious. They played 8 when Precious and Burks could have made it a 10 man rotation.


We should moth-ball Payne and go big.
Mitch(24)/Precious(24)
KAT(35)/OG(13)
OG(17)/Hart(31)
Bridges(35)/Hart(4)/Deuce(9)
Brunson(35)/Deuce(13)
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Re: PG: Knicks Cough It Up For The Pistons 

Post#290 » by NoDopeOnSundays » Tue Jan 14, 2025 4:18 pm

nykballa2k4 wrote:
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TKKnicks1 wrote:We got no assets left. They shopping freakin Jericho Sims and putting fake news out there like the league actually has interest in this scrub. The team is uber talented but there is absolutely no creativity to mix and match lineups up to get the best out of everyone. Thibs is just gonna let this this carriage ride and practically have the wheels fall off until Mitch gets back and then he will sit back and sign another extension saying " I told you so."



I don't even see how Mitch helps the wings minutes, Tom will just remove Precious from the lineup like he did last season when Mitch came back. He could have played 9 guys but went with an 8 man rotation and moth balled Precious. They played 8 when Precious and Burks could have made it a 10 man rotation.


We should moth-ball Payne and go big.
Mitch(24)/Precious(24)
KAT(35)/OG(13)
OG(17)/Hart(31)
Bridges(35)/Hart(4)/Deuce(9)
Brunson(35)/Deuce(13)



If he were going to go big he could do it now with Sims and KAT, he was gushing about Sims rim protection numbers a month ago. He moved Hart into the starting 5 last season after starting IHart and Precious who were actually playing well together.
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Re: PG: Knicks Cough It Up For The Pistons 

Post#291 » by TheGreenArrow » Tue Jan 14, 2025 4:22 pm

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Post#292 » by Moose » Tue Jan 14, 2025 4:24 pm

NoDopeOnSundays wrote:
nykballa2k4 wrote:
NoDopeOnSundays wrote:

I don't even see how Mitch helps the wings minutes, Tom will just remove Precious from the lineup like he did last season when Mitch came back. He could have played 9 guys but went with an 8 man rotation and moth balled Precious. They played 8 when Precious and Burks could have made it a 10 man rotation.


We should moth-ball Payne and go big.
Mitch(24)/Precious(24)
KAT(35)/OG(13)
OG(17)/Hart(31)
Bridges(35)/Hart(4)/Deuce(9)
Brunson(35)/Deuce(13)



If he were going to go big he could do it now with Sims and KAT, he was gushing about Sims rim protection numbers a month ago. He moved Hart into the starting 5 last season after starting IHart and Precious who were actually playing well together.


Sims is a third string center or not an NBA player. He's not a true rotation player.

This team with iHart next to Towns would be amazing.
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Re: PG: Knicks Cough It Up For The Pistons 

Post#293 » by NoDopeOnSundays » Tue Jan 14, 2025 4:25 pm

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Trash ass coach, and you still have people glazing him and deflecting from this.


KAT being up there while missing three games and being in foul trouble says everything too.
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Post#294 » by Fury » Tue Jan 14, 2025 4:26 pm

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Thibs thinks he’s playing 5 minute quarters on 2K
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Re: PG: Knicks Cough It Up For The Pistons 

Post#295 » by NoDopeOnSundays » Tue Jan 14, 2025 4:30 pm

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We should moth-ball Payne and go big.
Mitch(24)/Precious(24)
KAT(35)/OG(13)
OG(17)/Hart(31)
Bridges(35)/Hart(4)/Deuce(9)
Brunson(35)/Deuce(13)



If he were going to go big he could do it now with Sims and KAT, he was gushing about Sims rim protection numbers a month ago. He moved Hart into the starting 5 last season after starting IHart and Precious who were actually playing well together.


Sims is a third string center or not an NBA player. He's not a true rotation player.

This team with iHart next to Towns would be amazing.



The coach starts him over Precious when KAT is out, he may be a 3rd string center but if the goal is to see what KAT looks like at the 4 he could have done it already..
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Post#296 » by Wildcat » Tue Jan 14, 2025 4:32 pm

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I find this surreal and feel like Thibs is just purposefully double downing. I can also hear him say, "You gotta dig, you dig!!"
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Post#297 » by TKKnicks1 » Tue Jan 14, 2025 4:34 pm

We will be lucky if our guys survive the month.

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Post#298 » by oldshoolballer » Tue Jan 14, 2025 4:35 pm

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That's almost hard to believe. If nothing else tells you who Thibs is that stat surely does. Bad news guys. He ain't changing.
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Post#299 » by GONYK » Tue Jan 14, 2025 4:39 pm

What does the CBA say about cloning? If Thibs had 5 additional starters to bring off the bench I think he would feel confident in playing them. Technically, there's no stipulations on how many Jalen Brunsons and KATs we can have on the same contract, right? :lol:
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Post#300 » by thebuzzardman » Tue Jan 14, 2025 4:40 pm

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kNicksGmen wrote:i'm pretty much to the point now where i accept the reality that we're not winning with Brunson as our best player. it's not about him being a small guard as much as he's a poor defender on one end, and on the other he's not an elite playmaker. it could potentially work if you had the perfect team around him - but we've seen well coached teams exploit brunson and Kat relentlessly and we have no answer. offensively it's limited also because he's just not a great playmaker. you see cam come off the bench and get Kat a dunk on a PnR. how many times has brunson done that? he uses picks to get his own shot or to kick out after collapsing the defense. the way this team is constructed we would be better off with a playmaking lead guard. more realistically we need a playmaking 2 or wing to let him play more off ball.

maybe if OG and bridges legit were wing stoppers while algo being able to play make on the other end... but they're both limited offensively in the regard and at this point honestly overrated at best on defense.

it's a flawed team with a flawed coach. the window is still at least 3 years (maybe 4 meaning 3 years after this one) - so there is time to make tweaks and improve the roster (and maybe get rid of thibs) - but i went from thinking it was fairly decent odds they would win at least 1 in that window to now it feels like beyond a long shot to even make the finals (unless we get extremely lucky with opposing teams injuries or matchups etc).

it's unfortunate we went all in for this. i feel like our best moment in these next few years is going to be upsetting a favored team like the celtics, cavs etc in an earlier round series and then losing to a beatable team after that.


The Knicks are good enough to win a chip. Adding Mitch will help a ton, if they can add another chipper on the bench with Payne and deuce, they’ll be cookin. The problem is the coach. As long as we dont lose him, we wont go anywhere.


Actually, Brunson gets the ball to KAT plenty and the run a good pick and roll.
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