1/16 Orlando Postgame thread

Clyde_Style · Post #341 » by **Clyde_Style** » Mon Jan 16, 2012 10:19 pm

Oh my this thread runneth order, propagating at game thread speed.

Post #342 » by **GONYK** » Mon Jan 16, 2012 10:19 pm

mpharris36 wrote:
GONYK wrote:
mpharris36 wrote:
im also simply stating that maybe play novak when the magic went to a zone....fields can't guard 2's anyway might as well have an offensive option at the 2 that can actually spread the floor if we are going with the dantoni spread offense ****.

No you weren't. You were saying start him.

Nobody disagrees that he should have been in the game when the Magic went zone.

start novak, start balkman, start jeffries, at the 2....all them are better then landry at this point.

Shooting guard - novak can shoot

Jeffries could probable guard 2's along with balkman better than fields...right now we are starting a 2 guard that can't guard 2's and can't shooot! you don't see that as a problem for the 2 posiiton?

All of those players are worse than Landry at the 2.

The only one a case can be made for is Balkman

Post #343 » by **GONYK** » Mon Jan 16, 2012 10:19 pm

ctorres wrote:
Paco wrote:Start Novak, we get killed on defense; start Balkman, we get killed on offense; start Jeffries, we get killed on offense and, TBH, he can't guard shooting guards either...he's a team defender, not a one on one defender. We have no other option. Give up.

Paco gets it.

Exactly

Post #344 » by **mpharris36** » Mon Jan 16, 2012 10:20 pm

GONYK wrote:
moocow007 wrote:What other ways??? What exactly is Fields doing out there that can't be missed if he's not out there??? Not defending? Not shooting? Not rebounding? Not rotating? Not doing anything useful?

I mean honestly, on the one hand you want to support D'Antoni and yet on the other hand you don't want the one guy on this team that can actually hit a 3 (you know, D'Antoni's favvy) to get serious minutes.

I'm not a D'Antoni supporter. I'm just not a torch grabber like so many other on this board. I blame him for what he's responsible for, and blame the players for what they are responsible for.

Novak shouldn't get serious minutes. He's a liability every second of the game he's not shooting. He's like Jonathan Bender, but worse.

Fields is a better defender in terms of physical abilty, as well as awareness. A better rebounder, ballhandler, passer, and cutter. He's also a better finisher.

Have you ever seen Novak play?

awareness really? I would ask you to re-watch the game and strickly focus on fields for 30 minutes and see his awareness. See what he does running back on fast breaks....he runs straight into the paint! he doesn't pick up his man and can't get around screens...how is that good awareness? Countless times he just could not pick up his man in transition.

NBA Fan 1234 · Post #345 » by **NBA Fan 1234** » Mon Jan 16, 2012 10:20 pm

GONYK wrote:
ctorres wrote:
Paco wrote:Start Novak, we get killed on defense; start Balkman, we get killed on offense; start Jeffries, we get killed on offense and, TBH, he can't guard shooting guards either...he's a team defender, not a one on one defender. We have no other option. Give up.

Paco gets it.

Exactly

to you both. 8-)

god shammgod · Post #346 » by **god shammgod** » Mon Jan 16, 2012 10:21 pm

moocow007 wrote:
god shammgod wrote:beyond this one game and whatever adjustments we could have made, we need guys to hit open jumpers. it's hard to win when you can't do that.

Well unless you want to consider Walkers 2 previous seasons as proof, the only guy that can be relied upon to consistently hit open jumpers is Novak. Which again, goes more to highlight that this mix of players does not fit the coach, more so than Novak being any real great player.

toney douglas, fields and amare all had good jumpers last year. this year they don't. defenses adjust if all you can do is take into the paint. it makes scoring a lot harder.

Post #347 » by **mpharris36** » Mon Jan 16, 2012 10:22 pm

Paco wrote:
Start Novak, we get killed on defense; start Balkman, we get killed on offense; start Jeffries, we get killed on offense and, TBH, he can't guard shooting guards either...he's a team defender, not a one on one defender. We have no other option. Give up.

give up...hilarious dude that is ur response...we are 6-7 and go back to every game log SG's already kill us...not sure why u can't grasp that point.

I Rasharted · Post #348 » by **I Rasharted** » Mon Jan 16, 2012 10:22 pm

I love you guys, love NY, watched this game with a Knicks-fan friend of mine, but:

TKF · Post #349 » by **TKF** » Mon Jan 16, 2012 10:22 pm

ctorres wrote:
Paco wrote:Start Novak, we get killed on defense; start Balkman, we get killed on offense; start Jeffries, we get killed on offense and, TBH, he can't guard shooting guards either...he's a team defender, not a one on one defender. We have no other option. Give up.

Paco gets it.

steve novak couldn't have played worse on defense guarding the 3 point shooters than the rest were.. when orlando went zone, you bring him in.. Period... it is a trade off... knicks couldn't hit a shot, bring him in. otherwise if you feel you can't put novak on the floor, then he should not be on your roster at all..especially when you refuse to use the one skill that keeps him in the league..

Post #350 » by **moocow007** » Mon Jan 16, 2012 10:23 pm

KnicksScholar24 wrote:I think for the offense to work Fields has to breakout of his slump (it isn't happening if it hasn't yet) or Novak should be on the floor, even if Melo has to defend the SG.

For our offense to work, our players need to be able to play to their strengths. For the Knicks they may be better off playing Balkman over Fields (Balkman isn't a SG but neither is Fields). Hope that Balkman provides the same kind of spark and energy that Shumpert has and fire up the flow of the game some. The Knicks are really best right now when they are attacking and playing aggressive. That's when the choatic (but affective) defense works. That's also when the offense seems to have more life and motion. Fields obviously isn't working and Novak is clearly not one that can guard SG's.

KnicksScholar24 · Post #351 » by **KnicksScholar24** » Mon Jan 16, 2012 10:23 pm

Start Fields, and we get killed on offense and defense.

Fields should be an end of the bench player. Landry is completely useless.

I'd easily start Balkman at the 2 over him, or start Novak at the 3 and Melo at the 2.

god shammgod · Post #352 » by **god shammgod** » Mon Jan 16, 2012 10:23 pm

mpharris36 wrote:
Paco wrote:
Start Novak, we get killed on defense; start Balkman, we get killed on offense; start Jeffries, we get killed on offense and, TBH, he can't guard shooting guards either...he's a team defender, not a one on one defender. We have no other option. Give up.

give up...hilarious dude that is ur response...we are 6-7 and go back to every game log SG's already kill us...not sure why u can't grasp that point.

our offense is killing us more then shooting guards

NBA Fan 1234 · Post #353 » by **NBA Fan 1234** » Mon Jan 16, 2012 10:23 pm

mpharris36 wrote:
Paco wrote:
Start Novak, we get killed on defense; start Balkman, we get killed on offense; start Jeffries, we get killed on offense and, TBH, he can't guard shooting guards either...he's a team defender, not a one on one defender. We have no other option. Give up.

give up...hilarious dude that is ur response...we are 6-7 and go back to every game log SG's already kill us...not sure why u can't grasp that point.

I thought it was funny? :dontknow:

Inside Jewish joke, I guess. Box scores FTW! I don't need to go back and re-watch every game to know that every other option hurts us more than Fields does. Not sure why you can't grasp that point.

Post #354 » by **moocow007** » Mon Jan 16, 2012 10:25 pm

KnicksScholar24 wrote:Start Fields, and we get killed on offense and defense.

Fields should be an end of the bench player. Landry is completely useless.

I'd easily start Balkman at the 2 over him, or start Novak at the 3 and Melo at the 2.

Balkman at the 2 should be looked at. Out of any of the Knicks SF's Balkman is the most defensively able to guard guards. Unless the Knicks can actually find a real SG, Balkman makes the most sense to guard guards. That way at least you prevent the other team from getting early leads, hopefully allow the Knicks to maintain momentum a little longer and let your 2 guys focus on scoring.

Post #355 » by **mpharris36** » Mon Jan 16, 2012 10:25 pm

TKF wrote:
ctorres wrote:
Paco wrote:Start Novak, we get killed on defense; start Balkman, we get killed on offense; start Jeffries, we get killed on offense and, TBH, he can't guard shooting guards either...he's a team defender, not a one on one defender. We have no other option. Give up.

Paco gets it.

steve novak couldn't have played worse on defense guarding the 3 point shooters than the rest were.. when orlando went zone, you bring him in.. Period... it is a trade off... knicks couldn't hit a shot, bring him in. otherwise if you feel you can't put novak on the floor, then he should not be on your roster at all..especially when you refuse to use the one skill that keeps him in the league..

they are content with a 6-7 record...this is our roster for the rest of the season pretty much with the addition of davis and that should help....but fields can no longer play the 2! do i seriously need to show u the performances opposing twos have put up against fields this yr?

mjp4eva86 · Post #356 » by **mjp4eva86** » Mon Jan 16, 2012 10:26 pm

TKF wrote:
ctorres wrote:
Paco wrote:Start Novak, we get killed on defense; start Balkman, we get killed on offense; start Jeffries, we get killed on offense and, TBH, he can't guard shooting guards either...he's a team defender, not a one on one defender. We have no other option. Give up.

Paco gets it.

steve novak couldn't have played worse on defense guarding the 3 point shooters than the rest were.. when orlando went zone, you bring him in.. Period... it is a trade off... knicks couldn't hit a shot, bring him in. otherwise if you feel you can't put novak on the floor, then he should not be on your roster at all..especially when you refuse to use the one skill that keeps him in the league..

Not arguing playing Novak when the Zone came out... Novak is a situational player and when the other team plays zone thats the situation you put him in the game... but you can't start him at the 2...

god shammgod · Post #357 » by **god shammgod** » Mon Jan 16, 2012 10:26 pm

KnicksScholar24 wrote:Start Fields, and we get killed on offense and defense.

Fields should be an end of the bench player. Landry is completely useless.

I'd easily start Balkman at the 2 over him, or start Novak at the 3 and Melo at the 2.

the only thing i think you could do is start shump and bibby or shump and toney. you can't make an already weak offense weaker.

NBA Fan 1234 · Post #358 » by **NBA Fan 1234** » Mon Jan 16, 2012 10:26 pm

mpharris36 wrote:they are content with a 6-7 record...this is our roster for the rest of the season pretty much with the addition of davis and that should help....but fields can no longer play the 2! do i seriously need to show u the performances opposing twos have put up against fields this yr?

You constantly say that Fields shouldn't start...and everyone here agrees. But, you have yet to give us a suggestion that actually makes sense.

Post #359 » by **moocow007** » Mon Jan 16, 2012 10:27 pm

god shammgod wrote:
mpharris36 wrote:
Paco wrote:
Start Novak, we get killed on defense; start Balkman, we get killed on offense; start Jeffries, we get killed on offense and, TBH, he can't guard shooting guards either...he's a team defender, not a one on one defender. We have no other option. Give up.

give up...hilarious dude that is ur response...we are 6-7 and go back to every game log SG's already kill us...not sure why u can't grasp that point.

our offense is killing us more then shooting guards

8-12 from Reddick is what killed us. Since the Knicks don't have many 2 way guys they need to let their big money guys worry about offense and bring in more guys on defense that can stop guys like Reddick from going crazy.

NBA Fan 1234 · Post #360 » by **NBA Fan 1234** » Mon Jan 16, 2012 10:27 pm

mjp4eva86 wrote:
TKF wrote:
steve novak couldn't have played worse on defense guarding the 3 point shooters than the rest were.. when orlando went zone, you bring him in.. Period... it is a trade off... knicks couldn't hit a shot, bring him in. otherwise if you feel you can't put novak on the floor, then he should not be on your roster at all..especially when you refuse to use the one skill that keeps him in the league..

Not arguing playing Novak when the Zone came out... Novak is a situational player and when the other team plays zone thats the situation you put him in the game... but you can't start him at the 2...

Yes! Bringing him, or Jorts, in as a zone buster is fine...but we have no other option to start at shooting guard besides Fields.