OT: NFL Draft Thread

[F N 11]

Getting Ruhle has the potential to address quite a few problems.

Here's hoping he's our guy.

giants alerted everyone on their staff they can look elsewhere, so there's "rhules total control on his personnel"

Please tell me what’s so good about this dude?

[blueNorange]

Getting Ruhle has the potential to address quite a few problems.

Here's hoping he's our guy.

giants alerted everyone on their staff they can look elsewhere, so there's "rhules total control on his personnel"

Please tell me what’s so good about this dude?

he took 2 programs with no talent and turned them around quickly, he's also a new school coach.

great motivator and was a coordinator for multiple positions so he's not strictly an offense/defense guy.

he's been a linebacker coach, special teams coach, qb coach, tight ends coach, offensive and defensive line coach, and was also part of the 2012 giants staff so he's been under the tutelage of tom coughlin.

[Polk377]

It's inevitable that Ruhle will be the Giants next head coach. He wants to be here and the Giants desperately want him. It will get done soon.

With Ruhle on board, who are the Giants taking with the 4th pick? IMO it's between Okudah, Jeudy and Simmons. I would be thrilled with either Okudah or Simmons but not Jeudy.

[blueNorange]

It's inevitable that Ruhle will be the Giants next head coach. He wants to be here and the Giants desperately want him. It will get done soon.

With Ruhle on board, who are the Giants taking with the 4th pick? IMO it's between Okudah, Jeudy and Simmons. I would be thrilled with either Okudah or Simmons but not Jeudy.

4th pick is useless, you see which of the 3 teams picking after the giants want a qb more, hopefully a trade down for more picks.

[mpharris36]

It's inevitable that Ruhle will be the Giants next head coach. He wants to be here and the Giants desperately want him. It will get done soon.

With Ruhle on board, who are the Giants taking with the 4th pick? IMO it's between Okudah, Jeudy and Simmons. I would be thrilled with either Okudah or Simmons but not Jeudy.

im usually a proponent of BA when drafting but the giants can't invest another high 1st rounder on a cornerback. That is just poor cap management. It needs to be the best offensive lineman if one separates themselves or trade down few slots and draft Simmons

I would trade out to a QB hungry team or a team looking to secure Okudah.

No way are the giants drafting a WR.

[Polk377]

It's inevitable that Ruhle will be the Giants next head coach. He wants to be here and the Giants desperately want him. It will get done soon.

With Ruhle on board, who are the Giants taking with the 4th pick? IMO it's between Okudah, Jeudy and Simmons. I would be thrilled with either Okudah or Simmons but not Jeudy.

im usually a proponent of BA when drafting but the giants can't invest another high 1st rounder on a cornerback. That is just poor cap management. It needs to be the best offensive lineman if one separates themselves or trade down few slots and draft Simmons

I would trade out to a QB hungry team or a team looking to secure Okudah.

No way are the giants drafting a WR.

Trading down would be best this year. I don't know if Gettleman is the kind of guy to make a move down. He is more likely to try and move up.

I would normally agree about taking another CB but Baker was a huge dud his 1st year and it is still a huge hole the Giants need to fill. Okudah looks like a real deal lockdown corner.

[mpharris36]

It's inevitable that Ruhle will be the Giants next head coach. He wants to be here and the Giants desperately want him. It will get done soon.

With Ruhle on board, who are the Giants taking with the 4th pick? IMO it's between Okudah, Jeudy and Simmons. I would be thrilled with either Okudah or Simmons but not Jeudy.

im usually a proponent of BA when drafting but the giants can't invest another high 1st rounder on a cornerback. That is just poor cap management. It needs to be the best offensive lineman if one separates themselves or trade down few slots and draft Simmons

I would trade out to a QB hungry team or a team looking to secure Okudah.

No way are the giants drafting a WR.

Trading down would be best this year. I don't know if Gettleman is the kind of guy to make a move down. He is more likely to try and move up.

I would normally agree about taking another CB but Baker was a huge dud his 1st year and it is still a huge hole the Giants need to fill. Okudah looks like a real deal lockdown corner.

unless the giants can get to the QB the corners mean nothing.

And baker wasn't good but Corner is probably the toughest position to adjust to in the NFL. They are way too young in the secondary to begin with. I would rather pay a vet corner. Trade down and get OL/edge rusher/linebacker in the draft

[BeagleBoss]

I'd go with Mike McCarthy. I don't think giving a college guy his first NFL head coaching job here is the right thing to do. We need someone who has done the job before and has had success. I know things didn't end well in Green Bay but McCarthy had a ton of success, including winning a Super Bowl and coaching a star QB. I'd feel way more comfortable going with an experienced guy. Rhule seems like a bright guy but I don't think he's right fit at this moment in time.

As for Mara and Tisch keeping Gettleman, I agree with it but I get it. Say what you want but Gettleman has drafted pretty well. Nobody else would have drafted Daniel Jones 6th. He found Slayton in the 5th round! Connelly is a stud at LB assuming he comes back healthy. Saquon had a down year but he's still a freak. Dexter Lawrence is also a stud. Gettleman has drafted fine! It's everything else he needs to do much better.

[Kampuchea]

It's inevitable that Ruhle will be the Giants next head coach. He wants to be here and the Giants desperately want him. It will get done soon.

With Ruhle on board, who are the Giants taking with the 4th pick? IMO it's between Okudah, Jeudy and Simmons. I would be thrilled with either Okudah or Simmons but not Jeudy.

4th pick is useless, you see which of the 3 teams picking after the giants want a qb more, hopefully a trade down for more picks.

Yes, that’s my hope. There’s a few QB needy teams that may look to jump up. I guess the Skins stay at 2 for Chase. Lions may want to trade out as well though

[blueNorange]

It's inevitable that Ruhle will be the Giants next head coach. He wants to be here and the Giants desperately want him. It will get done soon.

With Ruhle on board, who are the Giants taking with the 4th pick? IMO it's between Okudah, Jeudy and Simmons. I would be thrilled with either Okudah or Simmons but not Jeudy.

4th pick is useless, you see which of the 3 teams picking after the giants want a qb more, hopefully a trade down for more picks.

Yes, that’s my hope. There’s a few QB needy teams that may look to jump up. I guess the Skins stay at 2 for Chase. Lions may want to trade out as well though

they need to nab one of the OL.

[blueNorange]

I'd go with Mike McCarthy. I don't think giving a college guy his first NFL head coaching job here is the right thing to do. We need someone who has done the job before and has had success. I know things didn't end well in Green Bay but McCarthy had a ton of success, including winning a Super Bowl and coaching a star QB. I'd feel way more comfortable going with an experienced guy. Rhule seems like a bright guy but I don't think he's right fit at this moment in time.

As for Mara and Tisch keeping Gettleman, I agree with it but I get it. Say what you want but Gettleman has drafted pretty well. Nobody else would have drafted Daniel Jones 6th. He found Slayton in the 5th round! Connelly is a stud at LB assuming he comes back healthy. Saquon had a down year but he's still a freak. Dexter Lawrence is also a stud. Gettleman has drafted fine! It's everything else he needs to do much better.

mccarthy would be an assbackwards move this team has constantly done over the past 7 years.

getting matt rhule means giants cleaning their entire front office, they have one of the most old school front offices ever. a lot of their guys have been there for 20+ years and the game is different now.

giants need matt rhule because he's the change the giants organization needs.

[Jeffrey]

DG's press conference was not good.

- Justifying the Leonard Williams trade by saying that we might get a 3rd round comp pick. WHAT?! He has about 60+ million available this offseason. Unless the Giants doesn't sign a big-time player then we're not getting a 3rd round comp pick. I"m worried that he just doesn't understand NFL's comp picks.

- Mara says that he revamp the analytics department or created one. DG then goes on and says we hired "4 computer guys" and talked to a "big computer guy". My purchasing department has 4 ppl. Giants are behind on the analytics department compare to other teams.

- His first priority was not to find a QB. His first and second priorities were to get "hogmollies" to protect Eli. So far, he has done a below-average job.

- Dead money problems. His 2 years here, he's had dead money problems which handicapped the Giants roster.

How do I rate NFL GMs? 4 factors come into mind unless we really know the business which none of us really do.

1.) Hiring your coach - He gets an "F" for hiring Shurmur. If you have to let him go after 2 years, then it's an "F".

2.) Drafting - I'll give him an "A". Mara says he has revamped the grading system and it has shown that he has gotten talent through his first 2 years.

3.) Free Agents - I'll give him a D or D-. Not talking about small practice squad signings. Just multi-year contracts and one-year contracts that panned out.
Markus Golden - A+
Nate Solder - D
Golden Tate - D
Johnathan Stewart - F
Antoine Bethea - D or F
Kareem Martin - D
Patrick Omameh - F

4.) Trades - Beckhman trade looks like it might be a solid trade however I didn't like how it went down. DG mentioned that he only talked to a few teams and that was it. Why not talk to the other teams and get them in a bidding war.

Ogletree - was not worth it. We need to find a replacement for him

Leonard Williams - horrible trade. Trading assets for a rental just so you can talk to him.

Zeitler for Vernon - great trade.

BJ Goodson for a conditional pick - great trade

Could've traded Collins, Jenkins etc. if you knew they were gone. Collect assets in the draft which he had success.

Give him a C+ but some were weird (see LW trade).

[GONYK]

im usually a proponent of BA when drafting but the giants can't invest another high 1st rounder on a cornerback. That is just poor cap management. It needs to be the best offensive lineman if one separates themselves or trade down few slots and draft Simmons

I would trade out to a QB hungry team or a team looking to secure Okudah.

No way are the giants drafting a WR.

Trading down would be best this year. I don't know if Gettleman is the kind of guy to make a move down. He is more likely to try and move up.

I would normally agree about taking another CB but Baker was a huge dud his 1st year and it is still a huge hole the Giants need to fill. Okudah looks like a real deal lockdown corner.

unless the giants can get to the QB the corners mean nothing.

And baker wasn't good but Corner is probably the toughest position to adjust to in the NFL. They are way too young in the secondary to begin with. I would rather pay a vet corner. Trade down and get OL/edge rusher/linebacker in the draft

Agreed.

Too bad there is a grand canyon sized gulf between Chase Young and the next best Edge rusher in this class. But getting Shurmur a feel good win before firing him was worth it, I guess.

If we are going with an OT, we need to trade down. Especially if Getty prefers Wirfs to Thomas.

[mpharris36]

Trading down would be best this year. I don't know if Gettleman is the kind of guy to make a move down. He is more likely to try and move up.

I would normally agree about taking another CB but Baker was a huge dud his 1st year and it is still a huge hole the Giants need to fill. Okudah looks like a real deal lockdown corner.

unless the giants can get to the QB the corners mean nothing.

And baker wasn't good but Corner is probably the toughest position to adjust to in the NFL. They are way too young in the secondary to begin with. I would rather pay a vet corner. Trade down and get OL/edge rusher/linebacker in the draft

Agreed.

Too bad there is a grand canyon sized gulf between Chase Young and the next best Edge rusher in this class. But getting Shurmur a feel good win before firing him was worth it, I guess.

If we are going with an OT, we need to trade down. Especially if Getty prefers Wirfs to Thomas.

I have been reading more and more than Thomas looks the part but if you watch his tape he isn’t as good as he is being mocked. Kinda like Flowers a bit which scares me.

Wirfs seems like the most sure fire bet but he’s on a RT but I’d you can lock down that position for the next decade you do it. You just have to understand draft value and trade down because wirfs isn’t a top 5 pick.

I guess right now I’m hoping for Simmons or Wirfs in a trade down scenario and acquire extra assets on day 2 because this roster need a a lot of help.

My concern is that Gettleman has never traded down. And the man is nearly 70...he’s probably set in his ways. But a QB hungry team and the draft value not falling in our favor. Burrow and Young go 1-2. Then the CB from Ohio state and the auburn DT are the next best and we can’t really invest in either position again that high.

[GONYK]

unless the giants can get to the QB the corners mean nothing.

And baker wasn't good but Corner is probably the toughest position to adjust to in the NFL. They are way too young in the secondary to begin with. I would rather pay a vet corner. Trade down and get OL/edge rusher/linebacker in the draft

Agreed.

Too bad there is a grand canyon sized gulf between Chase Young and the next best Edge rusher in this class. But getting Shurmur a feel good win before firing him was worth it, I guess.

If we are going with an OT, we need to trade down. Especially if Getty prefers Wirfs to Thomas.

I have been reading more and more than Thomas looks the part but if you watch his tape he isn’t as good as he is being mocked. Kinda like Flowers a bit which scares me.

Wirfs seems like the most sure fire bet but he’s on a RT but I’d you can lock down that position for the next decade you do it. You just have to understand draft value and trade down because wirfs isn’t a top 5 pick.

I guess right now I’m hoping for Simmons or Wirfs in a trade down scenario and acquire extra assets on day 2 because this roster need a a lot of help.

My concern is that Gettleman has never traded down. And the man is nearly 70...he’s probably set in his ways. But a QB hungry team and the draft value not falling in our favor. Burrow and Young go 1-2. Then the CB from Ohio state and the auburn DT are the next best and we can’t really invest in either position again that high.

If Getty can't bait Miami into forking over some capital to trade up, he's useless. That scenario makes too much sense.

We're in total agreement on Wirfs or Simmons being the pick.

Wirfs just seems more sound than Thomas and Simmons is so versatile. The exact piece you look for when TE's have been gashing you across the middle of the field for a decade.

[blueNorange]

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[mpharris36]

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big news he is the #1 option

[GONYK]

There is a strong sense among various executives involved in ongoing NFL coaching searches that Matt Rhule is either the next coach of the Giants or staying at Baylor. The Panthers definitely want an audience with him if possible, and the Cowboys surely will too once they get around to letting go of Jason Garrett, but it just may be the Giants or nothing.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/nfl-coaching-carousel-its-giants-or-stay-put-for-matt-rhule-vikings-loss-could-topple-mike-zimmer-and-more/

[mpharris36]

There is a strong sense among various executives involved in ongoing NFL coaching searches that Matt Rhule is either the next coach of the Giants or staying at Baylor. The Panthers definitely want an audience with him if possible, and the Cowboys surely will too once they get around to letting go of Jason Garrett, but it just may be the Giants or nothing.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/nfl-coaching-carousel-its-giants-or-stay-put-for-matt-rhule-vikings-loss-could-topple-mike-zimmer-and-more/

good but I want to keep an eye on this Belichek situation with NE losing

[ADeP7]

This is it. Time to bring bill home to where he belongs