Knicks/Magic Post Game - READ POST 1

[Context]

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Read on Twitter

I got a lot of crap all year about us not having a bench. What's the big deal? THIS is the big deal! People get their balls busted for being minutes police. Here's the damn problem we all have! Thibs is a maniac!!

I anxiously await a FULL bench and healthy starting 5 to see exactly what we are as a team. No excuses for how Thibs runs the players into the ground but, just get everyone healthy at the same time and let's rock!

Yeah when I saw that it was pretty funny and not funny at the same time...Thibs has to work on this...most teams are regularly playing 9-10 guys...

[Spree2Houston]

Brunson/Payne
Bridges/McBride
Anunoby/Hart
KAT/Hart
Mitch/KAT

There's your 8-man rotation for the playoffs. Occasional spot mins for Precious and Shamet.

[The KnicksFix]

I think the Knicks are about to go on a record winning streak, one free of issues, injuries or poor play. The coaching will be spectacular, the defense stifling and the offense a well oiled machine.

Damn! If you saying it buzz, and if you optimistic, then its gotta be the real deal lol

[Jalen Bluntson]

Brunson/Payne
Bridges/McBride
Anunoby/Hart
KAT/Hart
Mitch/KAT

There's your 8-man rotation for the playoffs. Occasional spot mins for Precious and Shamet.

Having the bench for the regular season is important. Without 10 players Thibs trusts we will have 40 minute games all year and limp into the playoffs. If we get to the playoffs healthy, we will have depth options that we didn't have last year. There's also the trade deadline that may change things up even more.

[Jalen Bluntson]

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Read on Twitter

I got a lot of crap all year about us not having a bench. What's the big deal? THIS is the big deal! People get their balls busted for being minutes police. Here's the damn problem we all have! Thibs is a maniac!!

I anxiously await a FULL bench and healthy starting 5 to see exactly what we are as a team. No excuses for how Thibs runs the players into the ground but, just get everyone healthy at the same time and let's rock!

Yeah when I saw that it was pretty funny and not funny at the same time...Thibs has to work on this...most teams are regularly playing 9-10 guys...

In his defense, we were shorthanded! The other guys on the roster don't deserve a minute of playing time because they are rookies. Rookies have no business playing during the season unless the rest of the team is in traction!

[stuporman]

Almost as bad as the constant trolling is the agenda posters that have one player or thing they attribute everything to. Those one trick ponies clutter up every conversation or try to fit the one thing they hate into everything. Sometimes it's one in the same but when someone genuinely believes everything that is wrong is the one note song over and over gets tedious.

[ctorres]

Brunson/Payne
Bridges/McBride
Anunoby/Hart
KAT/Hart
Mitch/KAT

There's your 8-man rotation for the playoffs. Occasional spot mins for Precious and Shamet.

We really don't know yet if Mitch and KAT will work well together. Also, will KAT remain as effective on offense if he is alongside Mitch?

KAT is having a historic season in large part because we are running 5-out.

[Clyde_Style]

Why do you harass people when they want nothing to do with you?

Clearly, your definition of harassment differs from the majority of the board

Actually not at all. You have no idea how much people have DM’d me about how you keep harassing us and them.

The dozens of people who have been speaking up publicly about your conduct is what's relevant about the mods message, not your private chats about me.

The mere act of replying to a post is not harassment no matter how much you insist it is.

[robillionaire]

Part of it is we just need to unbundle some of the posting types. And, when I say we need to, this is coming from a large portion of the forum as the And1 reaction to my first post should demonstrate. This forum's tools don't really allow that to happen organically (i.e. threads splitting by sub-topics). We have posters that want to have more serious post game discussions and that's hard to do in a single thread where sh**posting is dominating the conversation. Then there are posters that do want to use this place to sh**post. That's not inherently a bad thing. But the two together is oil and water and the sh**posting tends to drown out other discussion.

We're working on that piece. The Raptors forum has a thread for ex players (and old trade litigation would be directed there too) and I think that would help a lot.

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One year timeline on this bureaucracy!!!!

[3toheadmelo]

Clearly, your definition of harassment differs from the majority of the board

Actually not at all. You have no idea how much people have DM’d me about how you keep harassing us and them.

The dozens of people who have been speaking up publicly about your conduct is what's relevant about the mods message, not your private chats about me.

The mere act of replying to a post is not harassment no matter how much you insist it is.

Where’s the dozen of people? All I see is you attacking everyone in every politics thread and getting them locked because you have no self control and everyone in there is telling you to seek help. Might need to take a look in the mirror.

And yeah, when someone tells you to leave them alone you should take a hint. But you love to harass us no matter what which is really weird and creepy and a lot of people feel that way about you. This all makes sense though why you got your mod rights taken away, rightfully so. Anyways going back to ignoring you.

[Clyde_Style]

Actually not at all. You have no idea how much people have DM’d me about how you keep harassing us and them.

The dozens of people who have been speaking up publicly about your conduct is what's relevant about the mods message, not your private chats about me.

The mere act of replying to a post is not harassment no matter how much you insist it is.

Where’s the dozen of people? All I see is you attacking everyone in every politics thread and getting them locked because you have no self control and everyone in there is telling you to seek help. Might need to take a look in the mirror.

And yeah, when someone tells you to leave them alone you should take a hint. But you love to harass us no matter what which is really weird and creepy and a lot of people feel that way about you. This all makes sense though why you got your mod rights taken away, rightfully so. Anyways going back to ignoring you.

I quit because of people like you.

Now there are fellow mods who have each other's back but 15 years ago it was total mayhem and lots of people trolling like you do with no enforcement. I no longer wanted to be the only mod willing to confront that chaos so I stepped down voluntarily.

Go ahead and ask Howard for the truth if you're man enough. Then you can apologize for being a liar.

[Jalen Bluntson]

Brunson/Payne
Bridges/McBride
Anunoby/Hart
KAT/Hart
Mitch/KAT

There's your 8-man rotation for the playoffs. Occasional spot mins for Precious and Shamet.

We really don't know yet if Mitch and KAT will work well together. Also, will KAT remain as effective on offense if he is alongside Mitch?

KAT is having a historic season in large part because we are running 5-out.

I don't know. I think they can work fine next to each other compared to how we looked in the past. Not saying we will be a 5-out offense but, we really never had enough shooting to spread the floor before this season. Randle and RJ were inefficient and they both needed to operate in the same areas. Their shooting was inconsistent and having Mitch down low really clogged the paint for everyone as a result.

With KAT being a 40-42% 3pt shooter it opens things up. Not saying we should start Mitch next to KAT but, for the few minutes a game they will have to share the court it shouldn't really be an issue. Especially when we have other good 3pt shooters to go with them.

On the other side of the ball we should be even tougher because we will have better length/defense compared to the past as well. I could see a rotation of Deuce/Mikal(Hart)/OG/KAT/Mitch being a real problem when we need stops without sacrificing much if anything on the other end.

This team has more high IQ players now too. A fully healthy team should be really versatile for matchups and situational play. We can mix and match up and down the roster whenever we need to.

I'm really excited again seeing players making their way back to the court. Shamet/Precious/Mitch should really open things up for us. Just a matter of getting the chemistry to click after that. Having the depth to help keep guys fresh should really pay dividends for us.

[Fat Kat]

Brunson/Payne
Bridges/McBride
Anunoby/Hart
KAT/Hart
Mitch/KAT

There's your 8-man rotation for the playoffs. Occasional spot mins for Precious and Shamet.

We really don't know yet if Mitch and KAT will work well together. Also, will KAT remain as effective on offense if he is alongside Mitch?

KAT is having a historic season in large part because we are running 5-out.

I seriously doubt that KAT and Mitch can play together. Mitch hasn’t developed any offensive skills, so his man would just plant himself in the paint, taking away driving opportunities for the entire team. The team’s offensive efficiency would plummet and until Mitch’s next injury. Not to mention we’d have to force KAT to guard in space. Mitch should be counted on as nothing more than a bench big at this point

[gavran]

Brunson/Payne
Bridges/McBride
Anunoby/Hart
KAT/Hart
Mitch/KAT

There's your 8-man rotation for the playoffs. Occasional spot mins for Precious and Shamet.

We really don't know yet if Mitch and KAT will work well together. Also, will KAT remain as effective on offense if he is alongside Mitch?

KAT is having a historic season in large part because we are running 5-out.

I seriously doubt that KAT and Mitch can play together. Mitch hasn’t developed any offensive skills, so his man would just plant himself in the paint, taking away driving opportunities for the entire team. The team’s offensive efficiency would plummet and until Mitch’s next injury. Not to mention we’d have to force KAT to guard in space. Mitch should be counted on as nothing more than a bench big at this point

So why was this not a huge issue:
1, last year in Minnessota with Gobert?
2, last 2 years with the Knicks, when Robinson had the same exact offensive skills he has today?

[Jalen Bluntson]

Brunson/Payne
Bridges/McBride
Anunoby/Hart
KAT/Hart
Mitch/KAT

There's your 8-man rotation for the playoffs. Occasional spot mins for Precious and Shamet.

We really don't know yet if Mitch and KAT will work well together. Also, will KAT remain as effective on offense if he is alongside Mitch?

KAT is having a historic season in large part because we are running 5-out.

I seriously doubt that KAT and Mitch can play together. Mitch hasn’t developed any offensive skills, so his man would just plant himself in the paint, taking away driving opportunities for the entire team. The team’s offensive efficiency would plummet and until Mitch’s next injury. Not to mention we’d have to force KAT to guard in space. Mitch should be counted on as nothing more than a bench big at this point

So Mitch plays 10-12 mpg? I think they can share the floor for a few minutes without it hurting us. KAT stretches the floor. If we are hitting our threes and run some PnR for Mitch it shouldn't hurt at all.

[Fat Kat]

We really don't know yet if Mitch and KAT will work well together. Also, will KAT remain as effective on offense if he is alongside Mitch?

KAT is having a historic season in large part because we are running 5-out.

I seriously doubt that KAT and Mitch can play together. Mitch hasn’t developed any offensive skills, so his man would just plant himself in the paint, taking away driving opportunities for the entire team. The team’s offensive efficiency would plummet and until Mitch’s next injury. Not to mention we’d have to force KAT to guard in space. Mitch should be counted on as nothing more than a bench big at this point

So why was this not a huge issue:
1, last year in Minnessota with Gobert?
2, last 2 years with the Knicks, when Robinson had the same exact offensive skills he has today?

Mitch isn’t Gobert and even if he was, this team is trying to raise their ceiling. We’re trying to be better than last year’s team and better than those Wolves teams.

Have to stop thinking that this team can depend on Mitch. That ship has sailed, and I think that he’s gone sooner than later.

[thebuzzardman]

KAT is a 5 who has the skills of a 4 plus a really good outside shot.

Randle is a 4 that has some of the skills of a 3. He's more adept at creating his own shot off the dribble than KAT

That's why Randle and Mitch could play together

Can KAT and Mitch? Sure but it's not ideal.

[HEZI]

KAT is a 5 who has the skills of a 4 plus a really good outside shot.

Randle is a 4 that has some of the skills of a 3. He's more adept at creating his own shot off the dribble than KAT

That's why Randle and Mitch could play together

Can KAT and Mitch? Sure but it's not ideal.

Moving KAT to the 4 and having a center who lacks offensive ability would create issue for the offense. KATs biggest advantage is his ability to shoot and use his quickness to get around other 5s. With the paint clogged he doesn’t have the same driving lanes to be able to pump fake and drive to the basket. It also creates less passing lanes for our cutters and slashers. The only real benefit is on the defensive end and having a rim protector would improve things on the defensive end. Not sure if Robinson is a long term solution, with him being very injury prone and abysmal offensive game and free throw shooting there are negatives to him being in the starting lineup at least from the offensive end.

[thebuzzardman]

KAT is a 5 who has the skills of a 4 plus a really good outside shot.

Randle is a 4 that has some of the skills of a 3. He's more adept at creating his own shot off the dribble than KAT

That's why Randle and Mitch could play together

Can KAT and Mitch? Sure but it's not ideal.

Moving KAT to the 4 and having a center who lacks offensive ability would create issue for the offense. KATs biggest advantage is his ability to shoot and use his quickness to get around other 5s. With the paint clogged he doesn’t have the same driving lanes to be able to pump fake and drive to the basket. It also creates less passing lanes for our cutters and slashers. The only real benefit is on the defensive end and having a rim protector would improve things on the defensive end. Not sure if Robinson is a long term solution, with him being very injury prone and abysmal offensive game and free throw shooting there are negatives to him being in the starting lineup at least from the offensive end.

Exactly. And I get that KAT played with Gobert, so I guess it's a look that can be used. For this Knicks team I would hope that means "At times"

Some posters act like getting Mitch will solve everything, but if they were to start him it would introduce as many issues as it solves.
What Mitch would solve is being better at what the Knicks want from the 15-20 mpg of Precious/Sims provides, though Precious is a more switchable and mobile defender and also has some offensive ability, while Mitch of course has nearly none.

[Capn'O]

KAT is a 5 who has the skills of a 4 plus a really good outside shot.

Randle is a 4 that has some of the skills of a 3. He's more adept at creating his own shot off the dribble than KAT

That's why Randle and Mitch could play together

Can KAT and Mitch? Sure but it's not ideal.

I think it helps vs some teams. Depends on matchup.