Knicks-Related Trade "THOUGHTS" Thread

Post #3621 » by **magnumt** » Thu Dec 19, 2013 10:21 pm

spikeslovechild wrote:How about Shump + J. R SMith + Future Second rounder for Jameer Nelson.

How about f' no? :roll:

spikeslovechild · Post #3622 » by **spikeslovechild** » Fri Dec 20, 2013 12:32 am

magnumt wrote:
spikeslovechild wrote:How about Shump + J. R SMith + Future Second rounder for Jameer Nelson.

How about f' no?

What do you think would be a fair package for Jameer Nelson? For me just getting from under J.R Smith contract would be worth a second round pick and Jameer contract ends in 2015 which puts him right inline with Amare, Chandler, Bargs, etc.

As far as Shump goes I'm not sure he can get a better player then Jameer right now. I guess we could wait until he rebuilds some of his value but we don't really have a ton of other assets (don't want to move Hardaway JR) and we need to make some sort of move for a competent point guard.

spikeslovechild · Post #3623 » by **spikeslovechild** » Fri Dec 20, 2013 1:31 am

Rasho Brezec wrote:Bennet has a PER of 1.6, both teams are fighting for playoffs and need veterans. It could be done.

and how are Cole Aldrich and MWP supposed to help them (shumpert and waiters cancel each other out)? Would you accept a deal of Iman Shumpert for that package? Bennett was always a project and I highly doubt the GM that drafted him first overall is going to be willing to move him halfway into his rookie season. It's just crazy.

I also don't really understand your thinking from a strategic perspective as well. Rioght now this team lacks a starting SG and PG. We cannot afford to stash some draft busts at the 8th and 9th spots and hope they figure it out. We need a starting caliber PG yesterday.

Newyorknick94 · Post #3624 » by **Newyorknick94** » Fri Dec 20, 2013 2:18 am

Thad young on the market?

seren · Post #3625 » by **seren** » Fri Dec 20, 2013 3:49 am

Newyorknick94 wrote:Thad young on the market?

bargnani/shump/2018 pick for jrich/thad young.

Newyorknick94 · Post #3626 » by **Newyorknick94** » Fri Dec 20, 2013 3:59 am

seren wrote:
Newyorknick94 wrote:Thad young on the market?

bargnani/shump/2018 pick for jrich/thad young.

18 pick swap and I'm all for it.

R-DAWG · Post #3627 » by **R-DAWG** » Fri Dec 20, 2013 4:27 am

NYK: Kyle Lowry, Kris Humphries, Gerald Wallace
BOS: Amare Stoudemire, Chris Smith
TOR: Cole Aldrich, 2 2nd Rd Picks (via BOS)

Why for BOS: Amare's deal expires the year before Wallace's
Why for TOR: They accept 2 2nd rd picks for Lowry since they don't get stuck with a contract
Why for NYK: They push back the max cap space a year to salvage this and next season. Lowry provides an upgrade at point, Humphries depth at PF/C and his expiring contract could also be flipped. Wallace, although overpaid, could play the Jason Kidd role. Sure, he's lost a step but he's the high quality vet glue guy the team is lacking.

Chandler/Bargnani
Anthony/Martin/Humphries
Wallace/Hardaway/World Peace
Shumpert/Felton/JR
Lowry/Prigioni/Udrich

Meat · Post #3628 » by **Meat** » Fri Dec 20, 2013 4:32 am

ca1 wrote:http://fansided.com/2013/12/18/nba-trade-rumors-toronto-raptors-demar-derozan-trade/

I wonder if we are in mix

wonder what it would take to scoop them up both. 2018, shump, ???

Dbloc123 · Post #3629 » by **Dbloc123** » Fri Dec 20, 2013 2:39 pm

Newyorknick94 wrote:Thad young on the market?

Barg, shump,future protected 1st

for

thad
turner

Felt
Turner
Melo
Thad
Tyson

Newyorknick94 · Post #3630 » by **Newyorknick94** » Fri Dec 20, 2013 2:52 pm

Dbloc123 wrote:
Newyorknick94 wrote:Thad young on the market?

Barg, shump,future protected 1st

for

thad
turner

Felt
Turner
Melo
Thad
Tyson

I'm down

shmeakone · Post #3631 » by **shmeakone** » Fri Dec 20, 2013 8:27 pm

Question: If Melo decides to walk .. say to the Clippers next year (they don't have the cap to sign him outright) would we be able to do a sign & trade?

cw3k · Post #3632 » by **cw3k** » Fri Dec 20, 2013 8:52 pm

sol537 wrote:Bargs + Shump + Felton for Asik + Lin

They get a back-up PG in Felton, they get a defensive stopper in Shump (who can knock down open three's when confident), and they get a big in Bargs who can play well next to Howard on offense.

We get rebounding/defensive help and upgrade our PG position (our biggest areas of need).

Why would trade 2 of the best players for garbage?

If there is a trade that make senses,

It is Melo + Felton for Asik, Lin, Parson + picks

This way, it is a improvement for both teams.

Rockets: Beverley, Harden, Melo, TJones and Howard

Knicks: Lin, Shumpert, Parson, Bargnani and Asik.

Knicks can package Chandler, Amare + picks for some expiring contract.

bkknicks19 · Post #3633 » by **bkknicks19** » Fri Dec 20, 2013 9:27 pm

cw3k wrote:
sol537 wrote:Bargs + Shump + Felton for Asik + Lin

They get a back-up PG in Felton, they get a defensive stopper in Shump (who can knock down open three's when confident), and they get a big in Bargs who can play well next to Howard on offense.

We get rebounding/defensive help and upgrade our PG position (our biggest areas of need).

Why would trade 2 of the best players for garbage?

If there is a trade that make senses,

It is Melo + Felton for Asik, Lin, Parson + picks

This way, it is a improvement for both teams.

Rockets: Beverley, Harden, Melo, TJones and Howard

Knicks: Lin, Shumpert, Parson, Bargnani and Asik.

Knicks can package Chandler, Amare + picks for some expiring contract.

you say a trade that makes sense and follow it by suggesting a trade involving melo? You realize that automatically makes no sense since the Knicks will not be trading melo. IF a melo trade occurred, it would be when he is at the tail end of his career much like Paul Pierce, not while he's still in his prime and a top 10 player in the league.

bkknicks19 · Post #3634 » by **bkknicks19** » Fri Dec 20, 2013 9:29 pm

While I don't know if it's possible, I actually like the trade sol proposed except i would replace shump with MWP or something else. That way we could turn this into a multi team trade and move lin and/or asik elsewhere for pieces that fit better with the current roster.

Post #3635 » by **moocow007** » Fri Dec 20, 2013 10:16 pm

shmeakone wrote:Question: If Melo decides to walk .. say to the Clippers next year (they don't have the cap to sign him outright) would we be able to do a sign & trade?

Of course. Blake Griffin would come to NY. The Clips would not want to have to be locked into Griffins contract if they are going to carry Paul and Anthony's long term.

Marty McFly · Post #3636 » by **Marty McFly** » Fri Dec 20, 2013 10:26 pm

moocow007 wrote:
shmeakone wrote:Question: If Melo decides to walk .. say to the Clippers next year (they don't have the cap to sign him outright) would we be able to do a sign & trade?

Of course. Blake Griffin would come to NY. The Clips would not want to have to be locked into Griffins contract if they are going to carry Paul and Anthony's long term.

wouldn't jordan have to come as well if melo gets supermax'd? if they where to do that deal, it might be best of they dealt for him now along with chandler. as opposed to just getting melo.

cw3k · Post #3637 » by **cw3k** » Fri Dec 20, 2013 10:47 pm

bkknicks19 wrote: you say a trade that makes sense and follow it by suggesting a trade involving melo? You realize that automatically makes no sense since the Knicks will not be trading melo. IF a melo trade occurred, it would be when he is at the tail end of his career much like Paul Pierce, not while he's still in his prime and a top 10 player in the league.

Melo could walk by the end of the season. What can knicks offer to make this roaster better? Absolutely nothing. Melo is the only chip management has. If Melo walks by the end of the season, the Knicks will do a repeat of the 2000s, basically become a lottery team.

At least, if they trade Melo, there is a possibility of moving Stoudemire

If they can trade Melo for Asik, Lin and Parson, this automatic put Knicks in the top 4 teams in the East. This will makes Knicks exciting to watch because you have a team that play team basketball again.

Nutty Nats Fan · Post #3638 » by **Nutty Nats Fan** » Fri Dec 20, 2013 11:09 pm

moocow007 wrote:
shmeakone wrote:Question: If Melo decides to walk .. say to the Clippers next year (they don't have the cap to sign him outright) would we be able to do a sign & trade?

Of course. Blake Griffin would come to NY. The Clips would not want to have to be locked into Griffins contract if they are going to carry Paul and Anthony's long term.

If I wasn't mistaken, the new CBA doesn't allowed sign and trades for team over the cap (or is it luxury tax?).

Mars_Blackmon · Post #3639 » by **Mars_Blackmon** » Fri Dec 20, 2013 11:14 pm

Nutty Nats Fan wrote:
moocow007 wrote:
shmeakone wrote:Question: If Melo decides to walk .. say to the Clippers next year (they don't have the cap to sign him outright) would we be able to do a sign & trade?

Of course. Blake Griffin would come to NY. The Clips would not want to have to be locked into Griffins contract if they are going to carry Paul and Anthony's long term.

If I wasn't mistaken, the new CBA doesn't allowed sign and trades for team over the cap (or is it luxury tax?).

we couldn't acquire the signed and traded player but we could acquire a player in return

see the Bargs trade

we signed and trade Q-Rich plus Novak and Camby and got back Bargs but we could not for example trade Novak and Camby and got Millsap from Utah via sign and trade

spikeslovechild · Post #3640 » by **spikeslovechild** » Sat Dec 21, 2013 12:42 am

cw3k wrote:
bkknicks19 wrote: you say a trade that makes sense and follow it by suggesting a trade involving melo? You realize that automatically makes no sense since the Knicks will not be trading melo. IF a melo trade occurred, it would be when he is at the tail end of his career much like Paul Pierce, not while he's still in his prime and a top 10 player in the league.

Melo could walk by the end of the season. What can knicks offer to make this roaster better? Absolutely nothing. Melo is the only chip management has. If Melo walks by the end of the season, the Knicks will do a repeat of the 2000s, basically become a lottery team.

At least, if they trade Melo, there is a possibility of moving Stoudemire

If they can trade Melo for Asik, Lin and Parson, this automatic put Knicks in the top 4 teams in the East. This will makes Knicks exciting to watch because you have a team that play team basketball again.

A couple of things. One Houston only makes that deal IF Melo agrees to sign an extension there does anyone know if thats the case? Also is Houston willing to add another max player to their payroll?

I'm also not really buying the idea that Lin, Parson, Asik makes this team play team basketball. For one the best player we receive in that trade (Asik) doesn't have PF skills and was unwilling to play second fiddle to howard. Why would he do so with Chandler? Lin isn't a team basketball type PG either. Plus we'd be keeping JR Smith, Felton and Bargs on the team. I'm not sure there is a fit.

What this team needs more then anything right now is PG who can play defense, keep the ball moving, and hit the corner shot. I think Lowry is fit and I think Jameer Nelson is also a fit (though his defense is suspect). Lin isn't. He's not capable of playing off the ball. He's basically a rich mans felton.

Also, with the team draft pick situation being what it is we should (imo) double-down on Melo and do everything in our power to convince him to stay. I understand why Lundberg and others are pushing for a rebuild and if Dolan hadn't forced that Denver deal it might have made sense but it makes zero sense to tank for denver right now.