Knicks-Related Trade "THOUGHTS" Thread

fullermd · Post #4201 » by **fullermd** » Sun Jan 12, 2014 7:54 am

H20FAN wrote:How about we trade bargs for pau lol. Dantoni always wanted bargs on his team

HECK NO!!!!! GASOL IS NOT WHAT WE NEED OR WANT UNLESS HE COMES IN WITH NO TRADE OTHER THAN FOR ONE OF THE ROOKIE BIGS FOR LEAGUE MINIMUM

MrProb · Post #4202 » by **MrProb** » Sun Jan 12, 2014 12:35 pm

I dunno.... really.. just him playing decent last few games doesnt make him the last piece to compete or doesnt make us a contender, look where we are there's still a lot of ladder to climb back up.

Don't forget how big his contract is, how good the Knicks was supposed to be if his contract was spend else where for a good PG where would we be ? we didn't paid him $100m for only this kind of production, sorry.

I'm glad he finally feels healthy and able to contribute something to the team, all he needed was to get healthy but he will never be the same $100m Amare ever again, i still see him turning the ball over and over again foolishly from stepping out of bounds or travel.

I'm sorry but we're soooo above our head if you're talking about "winning" championship here.

This team without Anthony is not going anywhere, we need him and someone that makes him play to his fullest potential, a PG that could do his job and just get rid of JR's dumb ass.

We have THJ developing, Shump getting gorilla off his back, Barg getting smarter, Amare started contributing, Chandler&K-Mart being our defensive anchors and vocals but we're just missing that PG that get the job done consistency, that, is what we really need.

Boarder Patrol · Post #4203 » by **Boarder Patrol** » Sun Jan 12, 2014 6:53 pm

Eric Gordon, Jason Smith, Jeff Withey + 2016 1st for Tyson Chandler, Raymond Felton and Metta World Peace

Prigs | Murry | Beno
Gordon | Smith
Shump | Hardaway
Melo | Bargs
STAT | Martin

Sacrifice any chance of being good defensively for one of the most potent offenses in the league. Pelicans get Chandler | AD front line and give up nothing of much significance.

RKL · Post #4204 » by **RKL** » Sun Jan 12, 2014 6:59 pm

fullermd wrote:
H20FAN wrote:How about we trade bargs for pau lol. Dantoni always wanted bargs on his team

HECK NO!!!!! GASOL IS NOT WHAT WE NEED OR WANT UNLESS HE COMES IN WITH NO TRADE OTHER THAN FOR ONE OF THE ROOKIE BIGS FOR LEAGUE MINIMUM

This would never happen anyway, or Pau for Amare. Please stop proposing.

Sky_Knicks · Post #4205 » by **Sky_Knicks** » Sun Jan 12, 2014 7:19 pm

Terrible thread

Mike Breen · Post #4206 » by **Mike Breen** » Sun Jan 12, 2014 7:36 pm

This guy has started 7 threads in the past 3 days. That's gotta be some kind of record.

Boarder Patrol · Post #4207 » by **Boarder Patrol** » Sun Jan 12, 2014 9:51 pm

Buggin Out · Post #4208 » by **Buggin Out** » Mon Jan 13, 2014 7:28 pm

Boarder Patrol wrote:How about Chandler, Hardaway Jr., and Beno for Pekovic and Brewer? They get a better fit with Love in Chandler, albeit a worse player, and get two nice pieces for their abysmal bench. We get a bull in Pek for inside scoring.

Pek | Bargs | Kenyon | Aldrich
Melo | STAT | Kenyon | Tyler
Iman | Brewer | Artest
Prigs | JR
Ray | Murray

Then, for some balance, do a Tyler for DJ Augustin swap and waive Aldrich for Roddy Beubois.

Pek | Bargs | Kenyon
Melo | STAT | Kenyon
Iman | Brewer | Artest
Prigs | JR | Roddy B.
Ray | Murry | Augustin

Immensely more balanced and deep team that could go to the ECF. It would likely take more to pry Pek away from the Wolves too.

Pretty lateral move IMO. We need more backcourt scoring then we need front court scoring. We have STAT, Barg and Melo who all can score at the PF or C position.

What we really need is a top PG that can run an offensive or a very good offensive PG that can score.

Also Hardaway is on a very cheap deal and it would be pretty foolish to trade him before we see what he can become since he can become a valid rotational player in the future. Also Pekovic is signed through 2018, he's a good player, but doesn't scream center of the future to me.

Also I don't think either Brewer or Pekovic puts us over the edge vs the Heat or Pacers.

R-DAWG · Post #4209 » by **R-DAWG** » Mon Jan 13, 2014 7:55 pm

NYK: Thaddeus Young and Jason Richardson
DET: Andrea Bargnani
PHI: Charlie Villanueva, Cole Aldrich, Asset from DET (top 20 protected first which turns into 2 2nd's after 4 years)

Why for PHI: They clear Jason Richardson's dead weight contract while getting an asset for Thad Young. Helps them lose some more games.
Why for DET: Their front line of Monroe-Smith-Drummond does not work. It looks like Monroe will be the odd man out. Bargnani fits in perfectly with Smith and Drummond as a floor spacer. Additionally, this allows them to move Monroe in another trade for a big time guard. (Monore for Aaron Afflalo?)
Why for NYK: Thad Young is only 25 years old and is having another solid year. At 6-8, 235 he and Melo become interchangeable forwards. Thad will take the tougher defensive matchup and the offense will maximize Melo's strengths. Thad's not a star, but he's a very solid two way player who could upgrade the Knicks.

Thad requested a trade earlier this year and the return PHI gets in this deal is comparable to what the Bulls received for Luol Deng.

Post #4210 » by **mpharris36** » Mon Jan 13, 2014 8:08 pm

^

bargs is having a really solid year but thinking you can get Thad Young for Bargs is just ludicris

Post #4211 » by **moocow007** » Mon Jan 13, 2014 8:51 pm

GoodAzzGame_NYK wrote:^

bargs is having a really solid year but thinking you can get Thad Young for Bargs is just ludicris

Yeah I'd do this in a second but the Sixers aren't going to do that unless we include some healthy additional assets (which we don't really have a lot off).

R-DAWG · Post #4212 » by **R-DAWG** » Mon Jan 13, 2014 9:08 pm

moocow007 wrote:
GoodAzzGame_NYK wrote:^

bargs is having a really solid year but thinking you can get Thad Young for Bargs is just ludicris

Yeah I'd do this in a second but the Sixers aren't going to do that unless we include some healthy additional assets (which we don't really have a lot off).

Eating Jason Richardson's contract is essentially an asset
Not to mention that Bargs doesn't go to Phily, he goes to DET, who sends an asset to PHI to complete the deal.

Post #4213 » by **mpharris36** » Mon Jan 13, 2014 9:18 pm

R-DAWG wrote:
moocow007 wrote:
GoodAzzGame_NYK wrote:^

bargs is having a really solid year but thinking you can get Thad Young for Bargs is just ludicris

Yeah I'd do this in a second but the Sixers aren't going to do that unless we include some healthy additional assets (which we don't really have a lot off).

Eating Jason Richardson's contract is essentially an asset
Not to mention that Bargs doesn't go to Phily, he goes to DET, who sends an asset to PHI to complete the deal.

so the knicks get the best player.

the sixers get a heavily protected 1st rounder for thad (they could do much better)

and the pistons give up a 1st round for bargs (when they already have 3 forwards (smith, monroe, and drummond). Why would they give up an asset to trade for a big man.

Knicks are the only team that win that trade.

Sixers would be able to sell thad much higher.

and

Pistons need to upgrade there backcourt, which is dreadful (no way they trade a 1st for a backup big)

R-DAWG · Post #4214 » by **R-DAWG** » Mon Jan 13, 2014 9:27 pm

GoodAzzGame_NYK wrote:
R-DAWG wrote:
moocow007 wrote:
Yeah I'd do this in a second but the Sixers aren't going to do that unless we include some healthy additional assets (which we don't really have a lot off).

Eating Jason Richardson's contract is essentially an asset
Not to mention that Bargs doesn't go to Phily, he goes to DET, who sends an asset to PHI to complete the deal.

so the knicks get the best player.

the sixers get a heavily protected 1st rounder for thad (they could do much better)

and the pistons give up a 1st round for bargs (when they already have 3 forwards (smith, monroe, and drummond). Why would they give up an asset to trade for a big man.

Knicks are the only team that win that trade.

Sixers would be able to sell thad much higher.

and

Pistons need to upgrade there backcourt, which is dreadful (no way they trade a 1st for a backup big)

They use Monroe to upgrade their backcourt and Bargs to space the floor. Their bigs don't fit and they seem to like playing Smith at the 3. Enter Bargs. He has the game of a 3 but the size to play the 4.

Not sure Philly could sell Thad for much higher. This is essentially the same package CHI got for Luol Deng.

Post #4215 » by **mpharris36** » Mon Jan 13, 2014 9:31 pm

the real test is if you go onto the sixers or pistons board with that offer. I would assume you would get a resounding no from both fan basis.

Post #4216 » by **mpharris36** » Mon Jan 13, 2014 9:33 pm

R-DAWG wrote:
They use Monroe to upgrade their backcourt and Bargs to space the floor. Their bigs don't fit and they seem to like playing Smith at the 3. Enter Bargs. He has the game of a 3 but the size to play the 4.

Not sure Philly could sell Thad for much higher. This is essentially the same package CHI got for Luol Deng.

also bargs doesn't have the game of a 3. He is a low 30% 3 point shooter (actually 29%) this year. The idea that bargs is a space the floor big especially at the 3 or 4 is ridiculous. He isn't a spot up shooter.

R-DAWG · Post #4217 » by **R-DAWG** » Mon Jan 13, 2014 9:59 pm

GoodAzzGame_NYK wrote:the real test is if you go onto the sixers or pistons board with that offer. I would assume you would get a resounding no from both fan basis.

I'll post it on the trade board. It makes a lot of sense for DET especially if they can follow it up with a Monroe for Afflalo deal.

Jennings-Afflalo-Smith-Bargnani-Drummond is a nice lineup.

DK-All Day · Post #4218 » by **DK-All Day** » Tue Jan 14, 2014 1:50 am

THJR available? What would the Knicks want?

Marty McFly · Post #4219 » by **Marty McFly** » Tue Jan 14, 2014 2:13 am

DK-All Day wrote:THJR available? What would the Knicks want?

he's not the kinda guy the knicks are going to trade just to trade because they don't need to. basically, they'd have to be blown away in order to move him.

robbie84 · Post #4220 » by **robbie84** » Tue Jan 14, 2014 2:52 am

Ok so it's not perfect but something like this on draft night. Celtics pick is #3 after finishing 7th worst and getting lucky in the lottery.

KNICKS SEND:
-Carmelo (extended contract sign and trade)
-Chandler
-K Mart

BOSTON SENDS:
-2014 third pick (Wiggins or Embid?)
-2014 first round pick in 15-20 range (Brooklyn or Atlantas)
-2015 Clippers first rounder (assumed to be 25-30 if they contend)
-Kelly Olynyk
-Bass (expires 2015)
-Wallace(expires 2016)
-Bogans (expires 2015)
+salary fillers all expired by 2015 season end

-Melo is gone...team is blow up.
-Chandler is gone. (meh well who cares if Melo is gone)
- Olynyk is decent potential starter-The 2014 pick is priceless and the 2014 & 2015 mid-late first rounders are very good.
-Wallace expires in 2016
-Bass expires 2015

Thoughts?

BTW,
Does Celtics line up of
Rondo
SG?(go after Lance Stephenson in RFA)
Jeff Green
Melo -small ball PF (or SF and start Green on bench, Sullinger at PF)
Chandler

Sullinger
K Mart

make a legit threat in the East?