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FrozenEnvelope wrote:All shot blockers get dunked on from time to time. I'd be ok with Kessler if Ainge didn't want a Wemby level package in return.
There should be similar level Centers available at the deadline anyway. But honestly I think Precious and Sims will be just fine.
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cgf wrote:I think we’ll see a Kessler for Dadiet + Sims + WSH FRP trade at some point.
Makes sense for both teams to see how their own kids do to start the season to see if Jericho can cut it while Mitch is out and if someone will get desperate enough to offer more than that…but I don’t think anyone will because Orlando has Bitadze who they won’t need if WCJ or JI stays healthy, given that Mo is locked into that back up spot.
Utah gets a young wing prospect who was just drafted in the first round and some likely SRPs, we upgrade to a backup center who can share the starting gig with precious when Mitch is out.
WargamesX wrote:spree2kawhi wrote:RHODEY wrote:Well said.
We need to keep Mitch imo. Come December we’ll be happy to have a strong, rim-protecting big. He’ll be great next to Towns and also a great option to give him a breather.
The injuries are a concern, but especially in that context, Murphy really is not the player we need. I like him a lot and he would have been my top choice had we not gone after Bridges - and maybe he would’ve been the better choice (not player) even, but we need Mitch more now.
I would trade Mitch for Sengun, but there is no plausible package for Houston‘s franchise player with Randle already gone. I’d also trade him for Stewart or Duren or maybe Paul Reed + Malik Beasley, but why does Detroit do it? I love browsing hoopshype‘s salary and roster charts in search of interesting ideas and found Toronto as trading partners for RJ - I just didn’t know if it was going to be Siakam or OG, then I looked at Brooklyn with Bridges and Cam Johnson and now Towns obviously with their glut at center and cap situation. However, there aren’t any interesting teams left outside of Houston, Orlando and Detroit really. Indiana won’t trade us Turner anymore. Ayton is too pricey. Washington has already dealt Gafford. Charlotte would want McBride and I don’t like it. Atlanta would not trade Capela for an injured Mitch, would they? We would have to throw in 8 million in fillers too. Same with Vucevic and while I love him as a player, he is not the defender we need next to Towns, to put it mildly. Mitch is our best choice. It is what it is.
We don’t have many options outside of hoping for Mitch to be healthy and let’s be clear: he is a very serviceable center if he plays.
Edit: And just as I say that, my favorite for our job has signed an extension with Orlando.
Honestly I think they are trying to see now if that is the case. It can't be lost on them that Towns and Rudy are who made it to the WCF, but they can also use more talent on the bench, and once Mitch heals up and shows he can still play, his value won't go higher. So they have to see if KAT can be the center and maximize Mitch or if KAT cannot be the Center Bring Mitch back to try and take on that Rudy role with the starters.
Basically the next 20-30 games will decide the makeup of the team. We know they are leaning on moving Mitch because of the rumors, but based on their history this regime doesn't like to take unneeded risks either
WargamesX wrote:ScienceOfLosing wrote:moocow007 wrote:
Trey Murphy would be a pretty good if unorthodox Donte replacement. Similar 3 point shooting (and Trey Murphy shoots them from crazy range) but better positional need, upgrade-ish defense and higher upside.
I think they can get more for Murphy than our offer of an injured Mitch and ?
We better not be thinking of giving up Deuce.
possibly, but Healthy Mitch is not a joke and equal to Murphy in value, and honestly he might be worth much more.The two series we won against Cleveland and Philly he was arguably the second best player in both those series. Meanwhile, Murphy scored 11/7/2 in the playoffs. To put it in perspective, Hart scored 14/12/5 in about as many minutes and Mitch was more important than Hart in that series, because he is very assertive as a center and has shut down centers who people consistently think of as better than him.
Others have said it, but there is no real need to move Mitch besides the fact that I don't see him accepting being a backup Center for long and injury concerns. Murphy for Mitch is them taking advantage of the situation much more than the other way around.
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ScienceOfLosing wrote:WargamesX wrote:ScienceOfLosing wrote:
I think they can get more for Murphy than our offer of an injured Mitch and ?
We better not be thinking of giving up Deuce.
possibly, but Healthy Mitch is not a joke and equal to Murphy in value, and honestly he might be worth much more.The two series we won against Cleveland and Philly he was arguably the second best player in both those series. Meanwhile, Murphy scored 11/7/2 in the playoffs. To put it in perspective, Hart scored 14/12/5 in about as many minutes and Mitch was more important than Hart in that series, because he is very assertive as a center and has shut down centers who people consistently think of as better than him.
Others have said it, but there is no real need to move Mitch besides the fact that I don't see him accepting being a backup Center for long and injury concerns. Murphy for Mitch is them taking advantage of the situation much more than the other way around.
I would love to keep Mitch. As you said we don’t have to move him. I prefer having a real center at the 5 and KAT at the 4, but that is up to the coaches. Maybe he excels at the 5.
Good points. I’m a hoping.
KnixinSix wrote:ScienceOfLosing wrote:WargamesX wrote:
possibly, but Healthy Mitch is not a joke and equal to Murphy in value, and honestly he might be worth much more.The two series we won against Cleveland and Philly he was arguably the second best player in both those series. Meanwhile, Murphy scored 11/7/2 in the playoffs. To put it in perspective, Hart scored 14/12/5 in about as many minutes and Mitch was more important than Hart in that series, because he is very assertive as a center and has shut down centers who people consistently think of as better than him.
Others have said it, but there is no real need to move Mitch besides the fact that I don't see him accepting being a backup Center for long and injury concerns. Murphy for Mitch is them taking advantage of the situation much more than the other way around.
I would love to keep Mitch. As you said we don’t have to move him. I prefer having a real center at the 5 and KAT at the 4, but that is up to the coaches. Maybe he excels at the 5.
Good points. I’m a hoping.
Mitch most definitely has value which is why multiple teams are asking for him even though he's hurt
By the way murphy is hurt too so that makes this interesting
sol537 wrote:cgf wrote:I think we’ll see a Kessler for Dadiet + Sims + WSH FRP trade at some point.
Makes sense for both teams to see how their own kids do to start the season to see if Jericho can cut it while Mitch is out and if someone will get desperate enough to offer more than that…but I don’t think anyone will because Orlando has Bitadze who they won’t need if WCJ or JI stays healthy, given that Mo is locked into that back up spot.
Utah gets a young wing prospect who was just drafted in the first round and some likely SRPs, we upgrade to a backup center who can share the starting gig with precious when Mitch is out.
Would probably have to throw in Rokas and/or some additional second rounders to get it done, but I'm down...
babyjax13 wrote:Utah still asking for two firsts for Kessler sounds like a team that doesnt want to mive him, or that is trying to get Dadiet and the Washington 1st as one is technically a first, and the other was a first..
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RHODEY wrote:WargamesX wrote:spree2kawhi wrote:We need to keep Mitch imo. Come December we’ll be happy to have a strong, rim-protecting big. He’ll be great next to Towns and also a great option to give him a breather.
The injuries are a concern, but especially in that context, Murphy really is not the player we need. I like him a lot and he would have been my top choice had we not gone after Bridges - and maybe he would’ve been the better choice (not player) even, but we need Mitch more now.
I would trade Mitch for Sengun, but there is no plausible package for Houston‘s franchise player with Randle already gone. I’d also trade him for Stewart or Duren or maybe Paul Reed + Malik Beasley, but why does Detroit do it? I love browsing hoopshype‘s salary and roster charts in search of interesting ideas and found Toronto as trading partners for RJ - I just didn’t know if it was going to be Siakam or OG, then I looked at Brooklyn with Bridges and Cam Johnson and now Towns obviously with their glut at center and cap situation. However, there aren’t any interesting teams left outside of Houston, Orlando and Detroit really. Indiana won’t trade us Turner anymore. Ayton is too pricey. Washington has already dealt Gafford. Charlotte would want McBride and I don’t like it. Atlanta would not trade Capela for an injured Mitch, would they? We would have to throw in 8 million in fillers too. Same with Vucevic and while I love him as a player, he is not the defender we need next to Towns, to put it mildly. Mitch is our best choice. It is what it is.
We don’t have many options outside of hoping for Mitch to be healthy and let’s be clear: he is a very serviceable center if he plays.
Edit: And just as I say that, my favorite for our job has signed an extension with Orlando.
Honestly I think they are trying to see now if that is the case. It can't be lost on them that Towns and Rudy are who made it to the WCF, but they can also use more talent on the bench, and once Mitch heals up and shows he can still play, his value won't go higher. So they have to see if KAT can be the center and maximize Mitch or if KAT cannot be the Center Bring Mitch back to try and take on that Rudy role with the starters.
Basically the next 20-30 games will decide the makeup of the team. We know they are leaning on moving Mitch because of the rumors, but based on their history this regime doesn't like to take unneeded risks either
If they are really so quick to trade Mitch, I personally think they have a deal in place to land another Center.
Chislic wrote:
Found this interesting. After seen the Marcus Smart rumor I thought they might check in on Brown as well. Seems like they might be exploring consolidating their smaller contracts. If they picked up Smart, Brown or Capela... NY would have $20-23m to spend on a roster upgrade IF the Knicks go over the 2nd apron. You can't combine salary. Win now move that leads into future targeted player that would give the Knicks the best SIX players on any roster in the future.
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cgf wrote:sol537 wrote:cgf wrote:I think we’ll see a Kessler for Dadiet + Sims + WSH FRP trade at some point.
Makes sense for both teams to see how their own kids do to start the season to see if Jericho can cut it while Mitch is out and if someone will get desperate enough to offer more than that…but I don’t think anyone will because Orlando has Bitadze who they won’t need if WCJ or JI stays healthy, given that Mo is locked into that back up spot.
Utah gets a young wing prospect who was just drafted in the first round and some likely SRPs, we upgrade to a backup center who can share the starting gig with precious when Mitch is out.
Would probably have to throw in Rokas and/or some additional second rounders to get it done, but I'm down...
I doubt it. They need wing prospects & Dadiet was just a FRP. Even with that WSH FRP likely to turn into two high SRPs, that’s a strong return that may already be an overpay…especially given how badly Ainge usually does on his role player trades.
A Utah fan on the trade board suggesting that the Jazz will be happy to get the Knicks up too Dadiet + WSH FRP:babyjax13 wrote:Utah still asking for two firsts for Kessler sounds like a team that doesnt want to mive him, or that is trying to get Dadiet and the Washington 1st as one is technically a first, and the other was a first..
5: Robinson / Kessler / Achiuwa / Towns
4: Towns / Anunoby / Hart / Achiuwa
3: Anunoby / Bridges / Hart
2: Bridges / McBride / Hart / Shamet*
1: Brunson / McBride / Payne / Kolek
* if he beats out Okeke.
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sol537 wrote:KnixinSix wrote:ScienceOfLosing wrote:
I would love to keep Mitch. As you said we don’t have to move him. I prefer having a real center at the 5 and KAT at the 4, but that is up to the coaches. Maybe he excels at the 5.
Good points. I’m a hoping.
Mitch most definitely has value which is why multiple teams are asking for him even though he's hurt
By the way murphy is hurt too so that makes this interesting
I would do Mitch and 2nds for Herb Jones and then Sims, the WAS 1st, Dadiet, Rokas, Naji, McCullar, a pick swap, and additional 2nds for Kessler. Go all the way in.
KAT, OG, Herb, Bridges, Brunson
Bench: Kessler, Hart, Deuce
Situational: Precious, Shamet, Kolek
Crazy depth, crazy versatility, crazy talent. Killer defense. Killer offense.
babyjax13 wrote:cgf wrote:sol537 wrote:
Would probably have to throw in Rokas and/or some additional second rounders to get it done, but I'm down...
I doubt it. They need wing prospects & Dadiet was just a FRP. Even with that WSH FRP likely to turn into two high SRPs, that’s a strong return that may already be an overpay…especially given how badly Ainge usually does on his role player trades.
A Utah fan on the trade board suggesting that the Jazz will be happy to get the Knicks up too Dadiet + WSH FRP:babyjax13 wrote:Utah still asking for two firsts for Kessler sounds like a team that doesnt want to mive him, or that is trying to get Dadiet and the Washington 1st as one is technically a first, and the other was a first..
5: Robinson / Kessler / Achiuwa / Towns
4: Towns / Anunoby / Hart / Achiuwa
3: Anunoby / Bridges / Hart
2: Bridges / McBride / Hart / Shamet*
1: Brunson / McBride / Payne / Kolek
* if he beats out Okeke.
That team would be an absolute nightmare to play against.
KnixinSix wrote:sol537 wrote:KnixinSix wrote:
Mitch most definitely has value which is why multiple teams are asking for him even though he's hurt
By the way murphy is hurt too so that makes this interesting
I would do Mitch and 2nds for Herb Jones and then Sims, the WAS 1st, Dadiet, Rokas, Naji, McCullar, a pick swap, and additional 2nds for Kessler. Go all the way in.
KAT, OG, Herb, Bridges, Brunson
Bench: Kessler, Hart, Deuce
Situational: Precious, Shamet, Kolek
Crazy depth, crazy versatility, crazy talent. Killer defense. Killer offense.
I would absolutely do either or both of those trades ....but Ainge supposed asking price was both our remaining 1sts in 2025. The Washington 1st and the other one in 2025. I would probably do it as the Washington first may not convey for a couple years.
Kessler and Herb Jones without giving up Duece would be insanely good
NoDopeOnSundays wrote:Chislic wrote:
Found this interesting. After seen the Marcus Smart rumor I thought they might check in on Brown as well. Seems like they might be exploring consolidating their smaller contracts. If they picked up Smart, Brown or Capela... NY would have $20-23m to spend on a roster upgrade IF the Knicks go over the 2nd apron. You can't combine salary. Win now move that leads into future targeted player that would give the Knicks the best SIX players on any roster in the future.
This is the same guy that started the Trey Murphy nonsense, you can check SInow, they make no mention of him and they're not following him. He seems to be an aggregator using Knicks for clicks.