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[RHODEY]

one day after I watched the most depressing game of the season (vs. Bulls) I just watched the game the gave me the most joy all year. I absolutely love Portland. their injury luck is something else... and yet the won't go away.
Melo had his best game of the season by far imo.
the contrast, seeing their Backcourt and ours really hurt my eyes.
Lillard, CJ, Trent and Simons are all 40%+ shooters from three. So much fun to watch them.

Yeah Portland is fun to watch even though they treat defense like a day at the park. Im turning into a GS state fan. Love how they dismantled Dallas and they no long have the front runner uber team status....

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Meanwhile Randle was putting the clamps on Lavine on Wednesday

Is there anything KP is better at than Randle?

It's not defense, as demonstrated above.
It's not 3pt shooting, because Randle shoots 39.6% from 3 and KP shoots 32.5%
It's not assists, because Randle gets 6 per game, KP gets 1.2.
It's not rebounds, Randle gets 10.9, KP gets 8.2
It's not PER, it's not Offensive/Defensive/or total win shares, it's not offensive or defensive box plus minus. it's not true shooting percentage, it's not field goal percentage.

literally the only thing I can find is that KP is shooting 84% from the line to Randle's 80%

KP sucks. Heist of the century.

KP has the body and face of a teenager and Randle has the body and face of someone 35+ even tho they’re close in age. So there’s that.

[RHODEY]

NBA fans have been so persistently dumb about the KP trade. Only now are they even beginning to get that the Mavs played themselves. The reality is, the Knicks could have gotten literally nothing in return for KP and I would still consider that trade a win. KP didn't play a single minute for the Mavs on his rookie deal. They essentially gave us two firsts to cut the line to paying him 150 million. His contract is the kind of contract you wind up having to send assets to dump. So yeah -- to not have to waste more time thinking we were going to build around KP then wishing we could find someone to take his contract when it was clear he wasn't going to be healthy, literally nothing would have been a more than adequate return in a trade.

Right they are just now starting to come around to reality

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Meanwhile Randle was putting the clamps on Lavine on Wednesday

Is there anything KP is better at than Randle?

It's not defense, as demonstrated above.
It's not 3pt shooting, because Randle shoots 39.6% from 3 and KP shoots 32.5%
It's not assists, because Randle gets 6 per game, KP gets 1.2.
It's not rebounds, Randle gets 10.9, KP gets 8.2
It's not PER, it's not Offensive/Defensive/or total win shares, it's not offensive or defensive box plus minus. it's not true shooting percentage, it's not field goal percentage.

literally the only thing I can find is that KP is shooting 84% from the line to Randle's 80%

KP sucks. Heist of the century.

Shot blocking and rim protection in general.

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[Reign23]

yo melo, in my fantasy league I traded away Wood (because of the ankle...) and got Randle. What do you think about this trade

[knickstape4ever]

Phil Jackson was right.

we could have Jaylen Brown rn + #3, which we could've used on Fox

If at the time Phil would have pulled that move, the fanbase would have burnt MSG down to the ground.



No one saw the issues with KP then, except for Phil.

I did

Between skipping his exit meeting and this tweet, KP's immaturity is coming out in a way that makes it seem he doesn't want to be in NY. He needs to realize he's still just 21 and when you get drafted high it usually means you're going to a bad team and you have to deal with it for a while. I get that he wants to win and thats good, he should want that, he just needs to be more mature in how he expresses himself.

And if Boston were to come calling offering up this years Brooklyn pick, Jaylen Brown and maybe Terry Rozier, I'd make the trade. Long term injury history with guys over 7'2 isn't good.

viewtopic.php?f=24&t=1560469&p=55193650&hilit=trade+KP#p55193650

[3toheadmelo]

we could have Jaylen Brown rn + #3, which we could've used on Fox

If at the time Phil would have pulled that move, the fanbase would have burnt MSG down to the ground.



No one saw the issues with KP then, except for Phil.

I did

Between skipping his exit meeting and this tweet, KP's immaturity is coming out in a way that makes it seem he doesn't want to be in NY. He needs to realize he's still just 21 and when you get drafted high it usually means you're going to a bad team and you have to deal with it for a while. I get that he wants to win and thats good, he should want that, he just needs to be more mature in how he expresses himself.

And if Boston were to come calling offering up this years Brooklyn pick, Jaylen Brown and maybe Terry Rozier, I'd make the trade. Long term injury history with guys over 7'2 isn't good.

viewtopic.php?f=24&t=1560469&p=55193650&hilit=trade+KP#p55193650

Greenie was another one too. Good call fam.

I wanted to trade KP for Tatum and DSJ somehow. Obviously missed on DSJ but Tatum would’ve been great. But we might be able to get a Tatum/Brown type prospect with their pick this year along with using the cap space on Randle (who I love and you hate lol) and flipping Morris into Quickley. Maybe we got best deal

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yes! come on dame.

[Fat Kat]

If at the time Phil would have pulled that move, the fanbase would have burnt MSG down to the ground.



No one saw the issues with KP then, except for Phil.

I did

Between skipping his exit meeting and this tweet, KP's immaturity is coming out in a way that makes it seem he doesn't want to be in NY. He needs to realize he's still just 21 and when you get drafted high it usually means you're going to a bad team and you have to deal with it for a while. I get that he wants to win and thats good, he should want that, he just needs to be more mature in how he expresses himself.

And if Boston were to come calling offering up this years Brooklyn pick, Jaylen Brown and maybe Terry Rozier, I'd make the trade. Long term injury history with guys over 7'2 isn't good.

viewtopic.php?f=24&t=1560469&p=55193650&hilit=trade+KP#p55193650

Greenie was another one too. Good call fam.

I wanted to trade KP for Tatum and DSJ somehow. Obviously missed on DSJ but Tatum would’ve been great. But we might be able to get a Tatum/Brown type prospect with their pick this year along with using the cap space on Randle (who I love and you hate lol) and flipping Morris into Quickley. Maybe we got best deal

https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=1581143&start=1260

I was onto him early

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I actually caught part of replay while on the elliptical here are some of my notes aside from
https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?p=88571178#p88570560


1/ GSW forced Luka left a lot on the pnr

2/ DAL offense really sucks. they didn't even care to run the ball up the court in secondary transition. Its always rebound, pass the ball to Luka who walks it up. Sorry its not 1995 anymore, you need to be able to push the ball up even if the defending team isn't going for offensive rebounds. I cant tell you how many times there would be a defensive rebound by DAL, and they would actually pass the ball backwards to Luka.

that is not winning basketball. there are absolutely 2-3-4-5 possessions a game where if u push the ball up in secondary transition it leads to an easy layup. DAL isn't even looking for it.

3/ Watching those videos + the KP ones I linked I think its really clear that KP is having a very hard time getting knee bend and getting into a good defensive stance. Maybe its the injuries, maybe because of his height, hes put way too much weight onto his upper body and not lower. His footwork and foot speed is drastically different than when he was with the Knicks. The biggest thing I see is he looks so much more uncoordinated and cant squat down into a good defensive stance. I really think his legs are shot.

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If at the time Phil would have pulled that move, the fanbase would have burnt MSG down to the ground.



No one saw the issues with KP then, except for Phil.

I did

Between skipping his exit meeting and this tweet, KP's immaturity is coming out in a way that makes it seem he doesn't want to be in NY. He needs to realize he's still just 21 and when you get drafted high it usually means you're going to a bad team and you have to deal with it for a while. I get that he wants to win and thats good, he should want that, he just needs to be more mature in how he expresses himself.

And if Boston were to come calling offering up this years Brooklyn pick, Jaylen Brown and maybe Terry Rozier, I'd make the trade. Long term injury history with guys over 7'2 isn't good.

viewtopic.php?f=24&t=1560469&p=55193650&hilit=trade+KP#p55193650

Greenie was another one too. Good call fam.

I wanted to trade KP for Tatum and DSJ somehow. Obviously missed on DSJ but Tatum would’ve been great. But we might be able to get a Tatum/Brown type prospect with their pick this year along with using the cap space on Randle (who I love and you hate lol) and flipping Morris into Quickley. Maybe we got best deal

I really liked Josh Jackson, Fox and Monk. to this day I still think Monk would've been turned out better had he been drafted by the Knicks. he's been playing really well lately actually too. he's the type of player I thought would light up the Garden, he was electric at Kentucky

I think Phil would've taken Jackson and probably Frank, so could've turned out for the best, but hard to say what position we'd be in now since Brown is a legitimate star

My issue is not so much w/ Randle. he's actually grown on me this year and I do think he's good now. my issue is w/ the fit and style of play w/ Randle. I think w/ players like RJ and Mitch, they're better suited to play similar to the Jazz w/ 4-out, more spacing giving RJ more driving lanes, and a clearer paint for Mitch (would help in the P&R, offensive rebounding), rather than running the offense thru a point-forward

KP deal was for the best. might've gotten a better return elsewhere, so hard to tell if the Mavs deal was truly the best, but trading him in general was needed

[3toheadmelo]

I did



viewtopic.php?f=24&t=1560469&p=55193650&hilit=trade+KP#p55193650

Greenie was another one too. Good call fam.

I wanted to trade KP for Tatum and DSJ somehow. Obviously missed on DSJ but Tatum would’ve been great. But we might be able to get a Tatum/Brown type prospect with their pick this year along with using the cap space on Randle (who I love and you hate lol) and flipping Morris into Quickley. Maybe we got best deal

I really liked Josh Jackson, Fox and Monk. to this day I still think Monk would've been turned out better had he been drafted by the Knicks. he's been playing really well lately actually too. he's the type of player I thought would light up the Garden, he was electric at Kentucky

I think Phil would've taken Jackson and probably Frank, so could've turned out for the best, but hard to say what position we'd be in now since Brown is a legitimate star

My issue is not so much w/ Randle. he's actually grown on me this year and I do think he's good now. my issue is w/ the fit and style of play w/ Randle. I think w/ players like RJ and Mitch, they're better suited to play similar to the Jazz w/ 4-out, more spacing giving RJ more driving lanes, and a clearer paint for Mitch (would help in the P&R, offensive rebounding), rather than running the offense thru a point-forward

KP deal was for the best. might've gotten a better return elsewhere, so hard to tell if the Mavs deal was truly the best, but trading him in general was needed

I think Randle would have a lesser role if we had a better PG imo. We basically have no choice but to run the offense through him since Payton sucks so much. I guess we’ll have to see what happens when we do get a better PG. I’m enjoying Randle letting that 3 fly now with no hesitation. Better spacing for RJ and Mitch.

I agree with the rest of your post. Phil most likely would’ve taken Josh Jackson and that would’ve been a disaster. Didn’t realize Monk was playing better. Good for him. There was rumors he was on coke smh. Hopefully he got his life together now.

[Chanel Bomber]

Tue Jan 8, 2019 7:07 pm

I don't think KP is this franchise savior and he's been below-average in almost every aspect of the game other than defense and rim protection, however he has mostly played the 4 so far in his career. He needs to be a 5 to maximize his potential, and I expect his scoring efficiency to rise slightly at center as opposed to PF.

I'm worried about the Knicks maxing him out to be honest. He could be a valuable piece on a contender but he'll never be the man. Good player, just not a franchise player. With the injury history, it's a risky situation. A risk the Knicks probably need to take however.

A risk the Knicks probably need to take however.

[Chanel Bomber]

Tue Jan 8, 2019 7:07 pm

I don't think KP is this franchise savior and he's been below-average in almost every aspect of the game other than defense and rim protection, however he has mostly played the 4 so far in his career. He needs to be a 5 to maximize his potential, and I expect his scoring efficiency to rise slightly at center as opposed to PF.

I'm worried about the Knicks maxing him out to be honest. He could be a valuable piece on a contender but he'll never be the man. Good player, just not a franchise player. With the injury history, it's a risky situation. A risk the Knicks probably need to take however.

A risk the Knicks probably need to take however.

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Phil Knew

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Greenie was another one too. Good call fam.

I wanted to trade KP for Tatum and DSJ somehow. Obviously missed on DSJ but Tatum would’ve been great. But we might be able to get a Tatum/Brown type prospect with their pick this year along with using the cap space on Randle (who I love and you hate lol) and flipping Morris into Quickley. Maybe we got best deal

I really liked Josh Jackson, Fox and Monk. to this day I still think Monk would've been turned out better had he been drafted by the Knicks. he's been playing really well lately actually too. he's the type of player I thought would light up the Garden, he was electric at Kentucky

I think Phil would've taken Jackson and probably Frank, so could've turned out for the best, but hard to say what position we'd be in now since Brown is a legitimate star

My issue is not so much w/ Randle. he's actually grown on me this year and I do think he's good now. my issue is w/ the fit and style of play w/ Randle. I think w/ players like RJ and Mitch, they're better suited to play similar to the Jazz w/ 4-out, more spacing giving RJ more driving lanes, and a clearer paint for Mitch (would help in the P&R, offensive rebounding), rather than running the offense thru a point-forward

KP deal was for the best. might've gotten a better return elsewhere, so hard to tell if the Mavs deal was truly the best, but trading him in general was needed

I think Randle would have a lesser role if we had a better PG imo. We basically have no choice but to run the offense through him since Payton sucks so much. I guess we’ll have to see what happens when we do get a better PG. I’m enjoying Randle letting that 3 fly now with no hesitation. Better spacing for RJ and Mitch.

I agree with the rest of your post. Phil most likely would’ve taken Josh Jackson and that would’ve been a disaster. Didn’t realize Monk was playing better. Good for him. There was rumors he was on coke smh. Hopefully he got his life together now.

My question is: will Randle be as effective in a more off-ball role? the 3PT shooting has been encouraging, but is he best suited to camp out behind the 3PT line? I don't think so, I personally would prefer a 4 who can be a volume 3PT shooter, which is why I'd consider trading Randle. but I wouldn't just give him away, the return would have to be worthy of how he's been playing b/c admittedly he has turned the corner. I just prefer a different style of basketball: more pace and more space

glad Monk has turned it around. the rumor was coke, but I didn't see anything concrete. I think he only ended up missing a few games anyways b/c of covid. league lifted the suspension quickly, so it wasn't PEDs (mandatory 20 games, I think) which is good b/c I hate players who use roids

[3toheadmelo]

I really liked Josh Jackson, Fox and Monk. to this day I still think Monk would've been turned out better had he been drafted by the Knicks. he's been playing really well lately actually too. he's the type of player I thought would light up the Garden, he was electric at Kentucky

I think Phil would've taken Jackson and probably Frank, so could've turned out for the best, but hard to say what position we'd be in now since Brown is a legitimate star

My issue is not so much w/ Randle. he's actually grown on me this year and I do think he's good now. my issue is w/ the fit and style of play w/ Randle. I think w/ players like RJ and Mitch, they're better suited to play similar to the Jazz w/ 4-out, more spacing giving RJ more driving lanes, and a clearer paint for Mitch (would help in the P&R, offensive rebounding), rather than running the offense thru a point-forward

KP deal was for the best. might've gotten a better return elsewhere, so hard to tell if the Mavs deal was truly the best, but trading him in general was needed

I think Randle would have a lesser role if we had a better PG imo. We basically have no choice but to run the offense through him since Payton sucks so much. I guess we’ll have to see what happens when we do get a better PG. I’m enjoying Randle letting that 3 fly now with no hesitation. Better spacing for RJ and Mitch.

I agree with the rest of your post. Phil most likely would’ve taken Josh Jackson and that would’ve been a disaster. Didn’t realize Monk was playing better. Good for him. There was rumors he was on coke smh. Hopefully he got his life together now.

My question is: will Randle be as effective in a more off-ball role? the 3PT shooting has been encouraging, but is he best suited to camp out behind the 3PT line? I don't think so, I personally would prefer a 4 who can be a volume 3PT shooter, which is why I'd consider trading Randle. but I wouldn't just give him away, the return would have to be worthy of how he's been playing b/c admittedly he has turned the corner. I just prefer a different style of basketball: more pace and more space

glad Monk has turned it around. the rumor was coke, but I didn't see anything concrete. I think he only ended up missing a few games anyways b/c of covid. league lifted the suspension quickly, so it wasn't PEDs (mandatory 20 games, I think) which is good b/c I hate players who use roids

I think Randle can thrive off the ball. His eFG% on catch and shoot shots is 61%, which is really good. For me I’d rather see what he can do with a solid PG before considering trading him right now.

But yeah I guess our preferences in playing styles is probably why we differ here, so I can’t blame you.

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