Trades and Transactions, 2022 Edition

[Richard4444]

Randle trades (after February 2):

Randle to Sacramento for Harrison Barnes and Tyrese Haliburton
Randle to Minnesota for Taurean Prince, Josh Okogie, and two unprotected firsts

RJ trades:

RJ and Noel to Indiana for Myles Turner
RJ to Charlotte for PJ Washington and James Bouknight

Dame trade:

RJ, Obi, Fournier, Kemba, Dallas 1st, Charlotte 1st, 2 unprotected 1sts for Dame, Greg Brown and CJ Elleby

1) I doubt we will trade Randle for a rebuilding project (nice rookie contracts + picks).

2) The Kings values Haliburton too much to give him in a trade for Randle. Especially with Fox playing so poorly this season.

3) Wolves must be crazy to include unprotected FRPs in a trade for Randle. Maybe Top4 protected (top 10 more likely).

4) Myles Turner is a good player. But he is aiming for a near Max, Randle-like contract in 2023 when he is a UFA. He is far from being a star and he is perhaps an even more inconsistent shooter than Randle. RJ at least is an RFA player and we have the leverage to get a better deal.

5) The Hornets have a lot of good wings on their roster (Hayward, Bridges, and Oubre). They don't need RJ.

6) I don't like the idea to give RJ + Obi + 4 FRPs to get Lillard. Especially considering his age and his current underwhelming performance and physical limitations. His peak may have passed. Also, our team is sucking right now to consider an all-in trade. Is this team a contender?
Lillard/Rose
IQ/Deuce
Burks/Grimes
Randle/Brown
Mitch/Noel

[thebuzzardman]

Randle trades (after February 2):

Randle to Sacramento for Harrison Barnes and Tyrese Haliburton
Randle to Minnesota for Taurean Prince, Josh Okogie, and two unprotected firsts

RJ trades:

RJ and Noel to Indiana for Myles Turner
RJ to Charlotte for PJ Washington and James Bouknight

Dame trade:

RJ, Obi, Fournier, Kemba, Dallas 1st, Charlotte 1st, 2 unprotected 1sts for Dame, Greg Brown and CJ Elleby

I think this is half-Besart

[Richard4444]

This trade could be a desperate short-term attempt to get better without depleting the team from a lot of assets.

Knicks gets 58M (80% = 46,38)
Wall (44.3)
Wood (13,7)

Houston gets 47,1M
Fournier (17,1)
Noel (8,8)
Kemba (8,7)
Knox (5,8)
Taj (4,9)
Mitch (1,8)
2 FRPs (both from this season or Hornets + Dallas)

Wall/Rose/Deuce
RJ/IQ
Burks/Grimes
Randle/Obi
Wood/Jericho/Luca

[spree2kawhi]

This trade could be a desperate short-term attempt to get better without depleting the team from a lot of assets.

Knicks gets 58M (80% = 46,38)
Wall (44.3)
Wood (13,7)

Houston gets 47,1M
Fournier (17,1)
Noel (8,8)
Kemba (8,7)
Knox (5,8)
Taj (4,9)
Mitch (1,8)
2 FRPs (both from this season or Hornets + Dallas)

Wall/Rose/Deuce
RJ/IQ
Burks/Grimes
Randle/Obi
Wood/Jericho/Luca

I’m just waiting patiently for it to happen. Was ridiculed for it, however I’m sure it’s being discussed.

How can I be so sure? We’re the f***ing Knicks. A week later Dame would ask out leaving us with nothing to deal for him.

[knickstape4ever]

Randle trades (after February 2):

Randle to Sacramento for Harrison Barnes and Tyrese Haliburton
Randle to Minnesota for Taurean Prince, Josh Okogie, and two unprotected firsts

RJ trades:

RJ and Noel to Indiana for Myles Turner
RJ to Charlotte for PJ Washington and James Bouknight

Dame trade:

RJ, Obi, Fournier, Kemba, Dallas 1st, Charlotte 1st, 2 unprotected 1sts for Dame, Greg Brown and CJ Elleby

1) I doubt we will trade Randle for a rebuilding project (nice rookie contracts + picks).

2) The Kings values Haliburton too much to give him in a trade for Randle. Especially with Fox playing so poorly this season.

3) Wolves must be crazy to include unprotected FRPs in a trade for Randle. Maybe Top4 protected (top 10 more likely).

4) Myles Turner is a good player. But he is aiming for a near Max, Randle-like contract in 2023 when he is a UFA. He is far from being a star and he is perhaps an even more inconsistent shooter than Randle. RJ at least is an RFA player and we have the leverage to get a better deal.

5) The Hornets have a lot of good wings on their roster (Hayward, Bridges, and Oubre). They don't need RJ.

6) I don't like the idea to give RJ + Obi + 4 FRPs to get Lillard. Especially considering his age and his current underwhelming performance and physical limitations. His peak may have passed. Also, our team is sucking right now to consider an all-in trade. Is this team a contender?
Lillard/Rose
IQ/Deuce
Burks/Grimes
Randle/Brown
Mitch/Noel

I think the price for Randle should be similar to the price Vucevic got: 2 1sts (top 4 protected) and a young, high upside player (Wendell Carter). Julius is 3 years younger than Vuc tho, so maybe that helps. I'd be willing to settle for less tho if the pick protections were lighter/unprotected

Kings seems like a good spot for Randle. they could be desperate too

my ideal Randle trade would be to the Kings for the 2022 1st (unprotected), 2024 1st (top 10 protected), Marvin Bagley, Tristan Thompson (for salary matching purposes)

don't really want Bagley but hey, throw him 15-20 min per game, see what a change of scenery does for him. I'm more focused on the picks

[WargamesX]

You know what is realmy annoying the Knicks should just leave stuff alone and hopefully grab a decent odd draft pick in a weaker draft but you know they are going to push to the limit to be a 8th seed.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

Randle can't be traded till Feb 2nd.

[KnixtapeH20]

Randle can't be traded till Feb 2nd.

Lol even if he was able to be traded today it wouldn't matter. We're married to him to death do us part. Nobody is as lucky as us

[lloydj]

Indiana Pacers : Goga Bitadze

Knicks: 2 second rounder picks

[TBri1974]

I'm thinking it is possible to do something like RJ, Fournier, Walker and the least of our 1sts (charlotte/NY) for Ingram and Trey Murphy. NO gets Zion and RJ to build around, maybe Zion stays longer. Fournier makes sense as a slightly overpaid bench scorer. Randle, Knox and Mitch to Sacramento for Barnes, Mitchell (I don't see them giving up Halliburton, but he works too), Bagley and a 1st. We can add Burks if that moves the needle (we also don't need Bagley). 1st can be top 7 protected this year, top 3 next year, top 2 the year after and unprotected the year after that.

We go with
Noel/Simms/Gibson
Barnes/Toppin/Bagley
Ingram/Murphy/Grimes
IQ/Grimes/Mitchell
Rose/Mitchell/McBride

Am I way overselling our value? I thin Randle w/Fox and Halliburton get Sactown in the play-in. I think RJ gets Zion to commit long term.

[thebuzzardman]

Someone called Fournier another Tim Hardaway Jr. I said that was unfair to Fournier, who I idiotically thought was better. Now I see it might be vaguely insulting to THJr. Welp, like THJr as a Knick, that's a contract we'll have to hold onto for 3 years.

[Adelheid]

5 1st round picks for Shai and get this over with. The knicks are idiots when it comes to drafting so those 1st rounders would be wasted on bad selection anyway

[Chanel Bomber]

Basically, you can trade the farm for Dame, but you need to keep enough assets to be able to pivot in case the plan fails ie. your own firsts.

You can trade away RJ. He's not a good player. You can trade away the Dallas and Charlotte firsts. They're capped, and they're not tied to your performance.

You can trade salaries to match, although it'll probably take a first for Portland to absorb Fournier.

Then you have send actual value back. Dame is Dame, even at 31.

Obi is a good talent, but merely a back-up 4 who can't shoot. Grimes seems alright, but he doesn't look like a special talent, which is fine.

At this point, it's still not a reasonable offer for Portland. So you have to add a short-term unprotected first, and maybe another first, ideally top 10 protected.

RJ, Obi, Grimes, Fournier, Kemba, Dallas first, Charlotte first, 2022 Knicks first, if necessary protected 2024 Knicks first.

The Knicks gamble on an aging superstar, trade away a bad investment in RJ, and keep most of their future picks and their best talent in IQ (and Mitch) in case the Dame era doesn't pan out. They can still tank in that scenario.

I think that's a W for the Knicks, although my preference is to trade Randle/RJ and rebuild. The unreasonable thing to do is to stand pat and wait for a miracle.

[robillionaire]

Someone called Fournier another Tim Hardaway Jr. I said that was unfair to Fournier, who I idiotically thought was better. Now I see it might be vaguely insulting to THJr. Welp, like THJr as a Knick, that's a contract we'll have to hold onto for 3 years.

That was me btw

Then again those types of players get paid, Dallas gave THJ a the same contract we did even after seeing how desperate we were to get rid of him and how he plays better in a contract year

They signed him to another 4 year deal and judging by the stats he looks like trash

[thebuzzardman]

Someone called Fournier another Tim Hardaway Jr. I said that was unfair to Fournier, who I idiotically thought was better. Now I see it might be vaguely insulting to THJr. Welp, like THJr as a Knick, that's a contract we'll have to hold onto for 3 years.

That was me btw

Then again those types of players get paid, Dallas gave THJ a the same contract we did even after seeing how desperate we were to get rid of him and how he plays better in a contract year

They signed him to another 4 year deal and judging by the stats he looks like trash

Makes sense since Cuban is basically Dolan+Dirk+Luck(a)

Just trying to make a funny. Cuban is nothing like Dolan. He saw a generational player in Luka and made his team do everything to ensure they got him. Trading for KP as the 2nd banana questionable, but understandable.

[Dave DaButcher]

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[spree2kawhi]

If we don’t have what it takes to trade for Lillard now (which we don’t), we might as well rebuild. Send Randle to GSW, Fournier and Kemba to whoever feels like taking the next step and absorb bad contracts for picks and jump right in that swamp. It’s time to get your hands dirty.

[DOT]

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But on the other hand, this makes it seem like he wants to stay, he's just frustrated

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Allegedly, talks were about Simmons for McCollum with other moving pieces.

[Deeeez Knicks]

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But on the other hand, this makes it seem like he wants to stay, he's just frustrated

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Allegedly, talks were about Simmons for McCollum with other moving pieces.

That always made sense for both teams.

[dukeknicksirish]

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But on the other hand, this makes it seem like he wants to stay, he's just frustrated

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Allegedly, talks were about Simmons for McCollum with other moving pieces.

Fineeee... We'll take both guys and they can split up Randle / RJ / Obi / Mitch / Kemba / Fournier / Noel /Charl 1st / Dallas 1st / NY 22 1st / NY 24 1st / NY pick swap 23

Now everybody is happy