2020 Presidential Election Thread: IT'S THE FINAL (vote) COUNTDOWN! [update pg 61: Joe Biden elected 46th POTUS]

[KnicksGadfly]

Michigan’s lawsuit gone too.

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Don't know why he's sad. He just got paid for doing nothing...did he expect anything else?

[GONYK]

My point wasn’t built around any policy whatsoever. It was about democratic electoral strategies costing them votes with people of color; losing congressional seats and losing state legislative seats in a year with a historically unpopular president.

The mistakes I singled out were:
- Failures in outreach to people of color, specifying Latino voters since I watched that closely (also rachel bitcofer co-signed Chuck Rocha on this missed opportunity both before and after the election results started pouring in).

- No ground work, literally. Democrats across the spectrum of policy views were telling the Biden campaign that they needed to put canvassers out in battleground states.

- Refusing to pick a stance on key issues. Key here is I don’t think it much matters which direction he’d have gone on the policy; but by being unclear he allowed bad faith actors to fill in the blank and convince some voters not to break his way.

The idea that no voters for Trump were reachable is patently ridiculous to me, at least from the perspective of a person from a Spanish community that knows some trump voters. Chuck Rocha had a good interview with zerlina maxwell where he explained trump’s success in FL.

“Well we beat trump” isn’t enough when the Supreme Court is stacked and Mitch McConnell has a strong chance to continue deciding what legislation gets voted on. It’s not stopping the state legislatures that moved further right. None of that is policy based; it’s just a continuation of failures that we’ve seen at least throughout my lifetime. Way too many Dems only care about holding the executive branch and it shows throughout the judicial and legislative branch being dominated by conservatives.

I don't disagree on critiques 1 and 2.

On 3, I feel a little "meh" about.

If you judge Trump solely on policy or are open to Trump despite his conduct, I think your moral compass is broken at best and you are a racist at worst. The middle of that is that you are ignorant.

I don't know how much you can appeal to those people without compromising yourself as a candidate. A candidate that looks like he's going to win by 8M+ votes

It's not a policy critique, it's a messaging critique. I don't think Biden's campaign taking a firm stance on those issues would be about appealing to anybody but cutting down on the negative partisanship impact.

The Biden tact was basically "by not committing to court stacking we can avoid angering the Republican voter, but we won't piss off the left independent voters either by leaving the door open a crack."

But I think the result actually allowed both of those groups to assume the worst (aided along by bad faith commentary heavily). Had he picked a side, one of the bad faith angles would be a much harder sell.

I get what you are saying, but Biden was explicit about plenty.

- Defunding the police
- Protests/riots
- Fracking
- Healthcare

The only thing he was ambiguous about was the SC. I don't think he lost almost half of his projected lead because people, especially Latino males, have overly strong feelings about the number of justices there should be.

[mpharris36]

It's seems pretty likely perdue will be under 50%. But given that he had more votes this time, and trump won't be on the ballot next time the turnout would probably a lot different so I think it would benefit him

Yup and my guess James got hurt by Trump in Michigan too (trump lost by 3pts in MI and James on the same line lost by only 1.5 pts). That libertarian vote might be a deciding factor in GA to not get Perdue in and I think a lot of them rightfully despise trump...so if he's off the ballet I would assume that would help those senate races. But only time will tell.

My instinct on that could also be way off because Trump also drove a high turnout to the polls and if he is defeated they may not get the same enthusiasm either.

possible. And like you said it will be interesting. How many far right lunatics will not care because trump is out and how many moderates will feel better to vote because he is off the ballet. The stakes would be pretty high to just say oh well it doesn't matter because trump is out...actually it matters even more that Trump is likely out.

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[mpharris36]

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Nevada basically just said they are taking a long weekend and will get back to us later.

[Clyde_Style]

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Sam and Emma covered my frustrations better than I could possibly type it out and they did it in about 10 minutes to open the show. Skip to 3:25 and give that all of 10 or 15 minutes. This was a missed opportunity. Go back to the last thread and look at the confidence leading up to the election and then look at the results...There was no Comey letter, everyone was aware of Russian interference challenges, pollsters corrected for their missteps with Clinton; the Dems still managed to lose congressional seats, state seats, and enough toss-ups to make this a stressful process instead of a clear rejection of Trumpism.

They need to change their approach to winning elections point blank.

I more or less agree with you and it had to happen six months ago or earlier. Moving forward, in future elections that edge may come down to what grass roots groups formulate and put into action on behalf of the Democrats and maybe even without the sanction of the DNC or other power brokers. If the Biden campaign is capable of learning from their mistakes then I think those should be articulated to them in letters and videos sent directly to key Democrats who were involved in strategy. Who knows? Maybe that will result in hires next time to run some of the game plans. Anywya, find a way to channel it towards the future. This election was full of Trumpfukkery that is still an anomaly unlike the past or future elections. People are straight up unhinged with that guy in the driver's seat. With him out of the picture, maybe reason will get in a word edge wise more so than now.

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Nevada basically just said they are taking a long weekend and will get back to us later.

Does Nevada always count this slow? Or are they being attention whores because normally no one cares about it?

First they don't announce **** yesterday, make us wait til today, announce barely any votes and they go back to sleep til tomorrow.

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Nevada basically just said they are taking a long weekend and will get back to us later.

Does Nevada always count this slow? Or are they being attention whores because normally no one cares about it?

First they don't announce **** yesterday, make us wait til today, announce barely any votes and they go back to sleep til tomorrow.

Gotta play those slots after midnight dude. Hard to wake up early

[Jeff Van Gully]

Michigan’s lawsuit gone too.

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Don't know why he's sad. He just got paid for doing nothing...did he expect anything else?

the praise of his daddy is worth more than money

[mpharris36]

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Nevada basically just said they are taking a long weekend and will get back to us later.

Does Nevada always count this slow? Or are they being attention whores because normally no one cares about it?

First they don't announce **** yesterday, make us wait til today, announce barely any votes and they go back to sleep til tomorrow.

Who knows, a theory is no one wants a panic and if say Georgia and NC and Alaska go to Trump then that puts way to much pressure on PA and Nevada. My guess is people just want to know about PA because there is a lot of outstanding vote in areas that are primarily go heavy democratic and if Biden comes back in PA no one has to worry about the other states and they can fall in line later.

Think about the map if GA, NC, and Alaska would be called for trump. It would be 264-246 Biden (a lot more tense) then what it is now. Now that still means Nevada could decide it but my guess is no one wants to put in that position. So let big PA end it today is my guess...but I could be wrong.

[Clyde_Style]

At least the Trump trolls have disappeared from this thread. Who would have guessed?

Yes

They truly are

Profiles in Courgage

[spree2kawhi]

here is the thing and maybe I am naive the laws clearly state these votes are valid. The Supreme court would rule in favor of counting the votes not throwing out the votes. That would be dis-enfranchising the voters that voted by mail legally. before trump these poepl upheld the law personal views aside. The laws clearly on the side of counting the votes

It's not going to even reach supreme court territory. Those are baseless claims that will cease and flame out on local or state level, so the result will soon be pretty firm. Biden will be president and the world can take a breather, Republicans can retool and the dems can check how far left they dare to go.

- There won't be any legal aftermath.

- There won't be any socialism in the US. Most of you don't even know what that means.

- There also won't be too much political change and you realize that once you look at how the Senate is filling out. Biden can try, but it's a putt situation.

At least the US will become reasonable and reliable.

It's already reached the Supreme Court.

He was dismissed in Michigan.

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but if they stopped the count right now biden would win

Don't argue with trolls

[3toheadmelo]

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[Clyde_Style]

How are people saying PA is a done deal? The math shows that it is close and Philly wont put Biden over the top. I guess if all the mail in ballots lean 70% regardless of origin, then that makes sense but that's not a given. Just wondering if I am missing something besides what has been reported in the totals.

You know what? Did some more math and looks pretty good if margins in PA play out as they are. Basically the remaining set of mail in votes would have to be heavily favored for Trump for that to change. Not impossible for Trump, but Biden's prospects look better.

PA is not the squeaker. Biden will take it. GA is the one to watch. That's a nail biter (though not needed for Biden really)

[j4remi]

I am done with underestimating how many chitty Americans there are. This country is full of creeps.

I’ll fully co-sign that this is a country full of creeps

My thing is that the Democratic party’s strategy has all too often wasted resources on trying to appease the creeps at the expense of trying to build new voting blocs or strengthen existing and growing voter blocs.

[robillionaire]

My point wasn’t built around any policy whatsoever. It was about democratic electoral strategies costing them votes with people of color; losing congressional seats and losing state legislative seats in a year with a historically unpopular president.

The mistakes I singled out were:
- Failures in outreach to people of color, specifying Latino voters since I watched that closely (also rachel bitcofer co-signed Chuck Rocha on this missed opportunity both before and after the election results started pouring in).

- No ground work, literally. Democrats across the spectrum of policy views were telling the Biden campaign that they needed to put canvassers out in battleground states.

- Refusing to pick a stance on key issues. Key here is I don’t think it much matters which direction he’d have gone on the policy; but by being unclear he allowed bad faith actors to fill in the blank and convince some voters not to break his way.

The idea that no voters for Trump were reachable is patently ridiculous to me, at least from the perspective of a person from a Spanish community that knows some trump voters. Chuck Rocha had a good interview with zerlina maxwell where he explained trump’s success in FL.

“Well we beat trump” isn’t enough when the Supreme Court is stacked and Mitch McConnell has a strong chance to continue deciding what legislation gets voted on. It’s not stopping the state legislatures that moved further right. None of that is policy based; it’s just a continuation of failures that we’ve seen at least throughout my lifetime. Way too many Dems only care about holding the executive branch and it shows throughout the judicial and legislative branch being dominated by conservatives.

I don't disagree on critiques 1 and 2.

On 3, I feel a little "meh" about.

If you judge Trump solely on policy or are open to Trump despite his conduct, I think your moral compass is broken at best and you are a racist at worst. The middle of that is that you are ignorant.

I don't know how much you can appeal to those people without compromising yourself as a candidate. A candidate that looks like he's going to win by 4M+ votes

I am done with underestimating how many chitty Americans there are. This country is full of creeps.

I hope a lot of others feel the same way. Just everybody facing up to this I think has potential to go a long way in helping us move forward with some better solutions. 4 years ago it seemed like nobody really wanted to admit it to themselves as the major focus seemed to be Russia and the idea they manipulated a lot of people. Not to re-litigate that whole thing. But nobody seemed to want to accept that tens of millions of people voted for Trump and what that says about us as a society, saying "this is not who we are" well...this is who we are. I used to guess "maybe they just wanted a change, didn't think he would really be this bad, thought he was a good businessman, just didn't like hillary clinton" and my attempts to rationalize it are clearly debunked as well

Now it's undeniable that even after 4 years of these nightmarish conditions damn near 70 million voted to keep this going. Way more people than the first time, with no excuses . So we have to confront this head on, and soon as possible, figure out exactly what conditions are driving people to turn to far right reactionary ideology and what kind of platform and message can win a lot of them back, bring new people into the fold and turn them away from continuing the ideology of Trump before they drive us all off the cliff permanently

[HEZI]

Biden is so close to taking the lead in GA

[Oscirus]

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Dem party identity over the next 4 years will be interesting

Whispers are already talking about replacing Pelosi with Hakeem which would be weird given he's one of her lieutenants and his endorsement means Jack **** in these races

[BallSacBounce]

Hopefully Biden just wins Penn so this whole debacle doesn't have to go any further. Relying almost solely on the results of NV would be beyond stressful

Both are going to be challenged. If it's peace you're after take a nap and set your alarm clock for December... or January.

Based on what legal precedent?

Under THIS ONE!

Ever watch History Of The World Part I?

It's good to be da King.

Mel Brooks was a master.

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There are several issues. At this point I have no way of knowing if they are smoke or real and no time to check into the details so I'm not bothering to link anything or talk about them. Waiting to see how things develop.