rammagen wrote:Clyde_Style wrote:OK, this election fraud monkey business is almost dead and soon buried and the transition has officially begun.
I'm assuming the next question will be: Is Trump going to pardon himself?
The answer: Yes
The outcome: It will get challenged in court and probably some time after he leaves the WH a new legal precedent will be set on whether a president can pardon themselves along with a possible definition of the allowable parameters for that if allowed.
The prosecution's argument: Conspiracy to commit crimes that are facilitated by a president who presupposes immunity due to their position should not be an institutional privilege of the presidency.
Additional scenarios and arguments: Should Trump resign in order to collect a pardon from Pence, then the argument will also be you cannot or should not be able to pardon co-conspirators. This may already be baked in to the case if Trump pardons Pence prior to resigning.
Upshot: There is likely a strong chance Trump's pardon of himself and even others will be nullified in court. The purpose of the pardon was not designed for the pardoner to also be the pardonee or for the pardoner to use those powers in order to willfully commit crimes without fear of punishment hence the need to set some constitutional guidelines that either make the pardon stand or be denied.
One thing that could happen IMO is a split verdict, i.e. a president may be able to pardon themselves but only for certain things that are considered too subjective to determine absolute guilt for while denying imnunity from certain provable offenses like treason or espionage.
I think this whole thing was a delay tactic so he could try to cut a deal and it is failing. The incoming administration will seek charges and then cut a deal. NY state is going to have their piece as well.
The deal will be something like we will expose all the crimes ect if you try to run again and proceed with charges which wont expire after 7 yrs and NY state charges will stick which are the lessor of the crimes. Certain transgressions will be exposed and they need to be to cool the jets of the trumpers who will believe anything the fat liar will say
Possibly something like that could be cooked up, but I don't think Tish James will be part of those deals. So I think he's going to take it on the chin pretty quickly. There are two factors which mitigate indicting Trump already which are:
1) Better not tip your hand while he is still President, even if you are filing state charges. It gives him less insight into the parameters of any pardons issued, particularly for Rudy who is going to be indicted by NY very soon.
2) On January 21, the new Treasury Secretary will authorize the release of all tax documents to the House committees and the NY investigations. Though they already know the scope and have files plus the NY Times reports, this will be the finishing touch before filing indictments.
So I expect something pretty swift from NY, maybe even late January.
Thus, what deals Trump could cut with the DoJ to STFU may be negotiated while he's already in court defending himself in NY. There will not be any ability to avoid punishment, just a question of possibly mitigating the outcome for himself.
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