Build a Franchise- Season 5 Discussion (Free Agency Edition)- Free Agency schedule on page 82

[E-Balla]

We already have a lot of BAF threads we can't create one just for summer league. People are posting summer league highlights on BAF because they are there BAF players they just drafted so they want to rep the players they just drafted.

Since the SIM ratings are based off real life performance many people post highlights from there players in the thread. It's not really off topic at all.

Bish already has a main thread that only he posts in it's the team.page. It has rules, free agent lists, and that is where he will update FA signings.

This thread is for everything else.

The mix of transactions and bids is the hardest thing for me to keep up with. I think this is why Richard and myself mentioned a separate thread. Something that would be cool ( and it is what the spreadsheet would have done ) is if the current bid amount was posted by the players name. Not the team name but current winning bid amount. That may save some time and useless PM's if a bid goes out of the range a team can make.

I think teams like mine are great examples since the amount we can bid is so small. There are a number of players that will get over 12 dollars for 4 years; which is my max bid. If I saw the bid amounts, I would obviously pass on any above my max.

If a team bids on a player and wins, but then can't sign player because they ran out of cap space how is that addressed?

Bish updates all FA info on the 2nd back of the following link (on the end of the team pages)

viewtopic.php?f=24&t=2099633&start=20

you will see a post that says FA - he will post updates that this player will sign at 3:43 pm if a better offer doesn't come in

He will also PM you if you are the winning bid and what time that player will sign so you can confirm that you are still winning bid if he says to you, you will win this player at 3:43 pm. If you see the player go to 10:43 pm and now know you aren't the leading bidder on that page.

People didn't want the spreadsheet because they want the smallest amount of info out there in the bidding process. So there will be no way to know if a guy is currently out of your price range you have to submit an offer and hopefully guess right. If you don't get a response back from Bish then you know he is out of your price range. That is the only way to know.

I have my opinion on the matter and would prefer more info then less but this is what people decided.

Yeah I prefer more info too but I like this way of doing it and think it'll lead to there being a lot less good players on $1 deals. It'll make the contracts given out more evenly spread just like the NBA. So I see the positives of it. Basically unless you only need bench filler you'll be breaking the bank to get good depth.

[Buzzard]

The mix of transactions and bids is the hardest thing for me to keep up with. I think this is why Richard and myself mentioned a separate thread. Something that would be cool ( and it is what the spreadsheet would have done ) is if the current bid amount was posted by the players name. Not the team name but current winning bid amount. That may save some time and useless PM's if a bid goes out of the range a team can make.

I think teams like mine are great examples since the amount we can bid is so small. There are a number of players that will get over 12 dollars for 4 years; which is my max bid. If I saw the bid amounts, I would obviously pass on any above my max.

If a team bids on a player and wins, but then can't sign player because they ran out of cap space how is that addressed?

Bish updates all FA info on the 2nd back of the following link (on the end of the team pages)

viewtopic.php?f=24&t=2099633&start=20

you will see a post that says FA - he will post updates that this player will sign at 3:43 pm if a better offer doesn't come in

He will also PM you if you are the winning bid and what time that player will sign so you can confirm that you are still winning bid if he says to you, you will win this player at 3:43 pm. If you see the player go to 10:43 pm and now know you aren't the leading bidder on that page.

People didn't want the spreadsheet because they want the smallest amount of info out there in the bidding process. So there will be no way to know if a guy is currently out of your price range you have to submit an offer and hopefully guess right. If you don't get a response back from Bish then you know he is out of your price range. That is the only way to know.

I have my opinion on the matter and would prefer more info then less but this is what people decided.

Yeah I prefer more info too but I like this way of doing it and think it'll lead to there being a lot less good players on $1 deals. It'll make the contracts given out more evenly spread just like the NBA. So I see the positives of it. Basically unless you only need bench filler you'll be breaking the bank to get good depth.

This is why I think the current winning amount would be cool. I have one roster spot open and 12 dollars. Obviously I am not getting a top tier free agent.I will probably only get a tier 3 at best. I hate the idea of wasting time ( Bish and mine ) making useless inquiries into players that are out of my range from jump street.

If people voted that out so be it. It was just a thought to put the amount on the list.

[mpharris36]

The mix of transactions and bids is the hardest thing for me to keep up with. I think this is why Richard and myself mentioned a separate thread. Something that would be cool ( and it is what the spreadsheet would have done ) is if the current bid amount was posted by the players name. Not the team name but current winning bid amount. That may save some time and useless PM's if a bid goes out of the range a team can make.

I think teams like mine are great examples since the amount we can bid is so small. There are a number of players that will get over 12 dollars for 4 years; which is my max bid. If I saw the bid amounts, I would obviously pass on any above my max.

If a team bids on a player and wins, but then can't sign player because they ran out of cap space how is that addressed?

Bish updates all FA info on the 2nd back of the following link (on the end of the team pages)

viewtopic.php?f=24&t=2099633&start=20

you will see a post that says FA - he will post updates that this player will sign at 3:43 pm if a better offer doesn't come in

He will also PM you if you are the winning bid and what time that player will sign so you can confirm that you are still winning bid if he says to you, you will win this player at 3:43 pm. If you see the player go to 10:43 pm and now know you aren't the leading bidder on that page.

People didn't want the spreadsheet because they want the smallest amount of info out there in the bidding process. So there will be no way to know if a guy is currently out of your price range you have to submit an offer and hopefully guess right. If you don't get a response back from Bish then you know he is out of your price range. That is the only way to know.

I have my opinion on the matter and would prefer more info then less but this is what people decided.

Yeah I prefer more info too but I like this way of doing it and think it'll lead to there being a lot less good players on $1 deals. It'll make the contracts given out more evenly spread just like the NBA. So I see the positives of it. Basically unless you only need bench filler you'll be breaking the bank to get good depth.

I actually see a lot more value deals that will go out for rotational depth. Because since there is no more inquiries you if your a team with limited cap you can inquire about 15 players anymore and choose the cheapest option. You will probably just have to individually submit an offer on 1 or 2 guys that you can fit into cap that means that if other teams bid on the same player and only 1 team bids on some of the other guys. Chances are those guys could go for very cheap.

Before you could just inquire without having to have the $$$ to back it up. So you could look for deals and beat cheap offers. Now that you can only bid what you have so guys could go really cheap. If you have to pivot now it can get very tricky because if you only have 1 year remaining on a guy you basically just have to put a blind bid and hope it wins.

[mpharris36]

Bish updates all FA info on the 2nd back of the following link (on the end of the team pages)

viewtopic.php?f=24&t=2099633&start=20

you will see a post that says FA - he will post updates that this player will sign at 3:43 pm if a better offer doesn't come in

He will also PM you if you are the winning bid and what time that player will sign so you can confirm that you are still winning bid if he says to you, you will win this player at 3:43 pm. If you see the player go to 10:43 pm and now know you aren't the leading bidder on that page.

People didn't want the spreadsheet because they want the smallest amount of info out there in the bidding process. So there will be no way to know if a guy is currently out of your price range you have to submit an offer and hopefully guess right. If you don't get a response back from Bish then you know he is out of your price range. That is the only way to know.

I have my opinion on the matter and would prefer more info then less but this is what people decided.

Yeah I prefer more info too but I like this way of doing it and think it'll lead to there being a lot less good players on $1 deals. It'll make the contracts given out more evenly spread just like the NBA. So I see the positives of it. Basically unless you only need bench filler you'll be breaking the bank to get good depth.

This is why I think the current winning amount would be cool. I have one roster spot open and 12 dollars. Obviously I am not getting a top tier free agent.I will probably only get a tier 3 at best. I hate the idea of wasting time ( Bish and mine ) making useless inquiries into players that are out of my range from jump street.

If people voted that out so be it. It was just a thought to be the amount on the list.

There are no more inquiries anymore.

If you have $12 you have to formally submit a bid on guys you want to spend with that $12. Bish will let you know if you are winning or if you don't get a response you will have to pivot to another FA in the next bidding submission period. (or you might get a response that you are close but you are not winning in that case if you have to go over $12 you can't anymore).

[E-Balla]

Bish updates all FA info on the 2nd back of the following link (on the end of the team pages)

viewtopic.php?f=24&t=2099633&start=20

you will see a post that says FA - he will post updates that this player will sign at 3:43 pm if a better offer doesn't come in

He will also PM you if you are the winning bid and what time that player will sign so you can confirm that you are still winning bid if he says to you, you will win this player at 3:43 pm. If you see the player go to 10:43 pm and now know you aren't the leading bidder on that page.

People didn't want the spreadsheet because they want the smallest amount of info out there in the bidding process. So there will be no way to know if a guy is currently out of your price range you have to submit an offer and hopefully guess right. If you don't get a response back from Bish then you know he is out of your price range. That is the only way to know.

I have my opinion on the matter and would prefer more info then less but this is what people decided.

Yeah I prefer more info too but I like this way of doing it and think it'll lead to there being a lot less good players on $1 deals. It'll make the contracts given out more evenly spread just like the NBA. So I see the positives of it. Basically unless you only need bench filler you'll be breaking the bank to get good depth.

I actually see a lot more value deals that will go out for rotational depth. Because since there is no more inquiries you if your a team with limited cap you can inquire about 15 players anymore and choose the cheapest option. You will probably just have to individually submit an offer on 1 or 2 guys that you can fit into cap that means that if other teams bid on the same player and only 1 team bids on some of the other guys. Chances are those guys could go for very cheap.

Before you could just inquire without having to have the $$$ to back it up. So you could look for deals and beat cheap offers. Now that you can only bid what you have so guys could go really cheap. If you have to pivot now it can get very tricky because if you only have 1 year remaining on a guy you basically just have to put a blind bid and hope it wins.

Well there's not a lot of big name free agents this year so I think it depends on the position. For example there's one position without much starting talent going around so everyone with a need at that position will be scrambling for role players. All the contenders that also have cap space can send large 1 year deals in to get bench depth too.

I'm trying not to tip my hand though, maybe others haven't thought about what I've thought about and aren't going to make the plays I am expecting them to.

[Buzzard]

Yeah I prefer more info too but I like this way of doing it and think it'll lead to there being a lot less good players on $1 deals. It'll make the contracts given out more evenly spread just like the NBA. So I see the positives of it. Basically unless you only need bench filler you'll be breaking the bank to get good depth.

I actually see a lot more value deals that will go out for rotational depth. Because since there is no more inquiries you if your a team with limited cap you can inquire about 15 players anymore and choose the cheapest option. You will probably just have to individually submit an offer on 1 or 2 guys that you can fit into cap that means that if other teams bid on the same player and only 1 team bids on some of the other guys. Chances are those guys could go for very cheap.

Before you could just inquire without having to have the $$$ to back it up. So you could look for deals and beat cheap offers. Now that you can only bid what you have so guys could go really cheap. If you have to pivot now it can get very tricky because if you only have 1 year remaining on a guy you basically just have to put a blind bid and hope it wins.

Well there's not a lot of big name free agents this year so I think it depends on the position. For example there's one position without much starting talent going around so everyone with a need at that position will be scrambling for role players. All the contenders that also have cap space can send large 1 year deals in to get bench depth too.

I'm trying not to tip my hand though, maybe others haven't thought about what I've thought about and aren't going to make the plays I am expecting them to.

I think my strategy will stay as originally thought. Let the dust settle and see who is left. I hate it but I hate spinning my wheels just as much. At least my plan was to not be a player this year in free agency. I will watch from the sidelines and learn from there.

[E-Balla]

I actually see a lot more value deals that will go out for rotational depth. Because since there is no more inquiries you if your a team with limited cap you can inquire about 15 players anymore and choose the cheapest option. You will probably just have to individually submit an offer on 1 or 2 guys that you can fit into cap that means that if other teams bid on the same player and only 1 team bids on some of the other guys. Chances are those guys could go for very cheap.

Before you could just inquire without having to have the $$$ to back it up. So you could look for deals and beat cheap offers. Now that you can only bid what you have so guys could go really cheap. If you have to pivot now it can get very tricky because if you only have 1 year remaining on a guy you basically just have to put a blind bid and hope it wins.

Well there's not a lot of big name free agents this year so I think it depends on the position. For example there's one position without much starting talent going around so everyone with a need at that position will be scrambling for role players. All the contenders that also have cap space can send large 1 year deals in to get bench depth too.

I'm trying not to tip my hand though, maybe others haven't thought about what I've thought about and aren't going to make the plays I am expecting them to.

I think my strategy will stay as originally thought. Let the dust settle and see who is left. I hate it but I hate spinning my wheels just as much. At least my plan was to not be a player this year in free agency. I will watch from the sidelines and learn from there.

That was also my original plan until I looked around at some of these rosters and made note of all the players that already have full rosters and hella cap space. Made me a bit nervous.

[E-Balla]

The only issue I have is that you can't offer more contracts than you can take on. I see the positives in stopping people from bidding on anyone at a position they'd want to fill a spot, but on the other side of it you do have to be sure to check every hour so you can pivot to another player you want to fill that void.

[Buzzard]

Well there's not a lot of big name free agents this year so I think it depends on the position. For example there's one position without much starting talent going around so everyone with a need at that position will be scrambling for role players. All the contenders that also have cap space can send large 1 year deals in to get bench depth too.

I'm trying not to tip my hand though, maybe others haven't thought about what I've thought about and aren't going to make the plays I am expecting them to.

I think my strategy will stay as originally thought. Let the dust settle and see who is left. I hate it but I hate spinning my wheels just as much. At least my plan was to not be a player this year in free agency. I will watch from the sidelines and learn from there.

That was also my original plan until I looked around at some of these rosters and made note of all the players that already have full rosters and hella cap space. Made me a bit nervous.

It is scary but they can just buy out their bad players and add their newly signed ones. This free agency reminds me of 2020 when the Hawks scored big with Bogdan and Gallinari. Most everyone else was sleeping on 2020 and counting on 2021.

[Deeeez Knicks]

It'll be interesting to see how this works. Overall seems ok for a small free agent class but not sure this is a great solution for a large free agent class to be honest. Seems like the free agency period is squeezed into like a day or 2 window, when I think it should be a longer process.

[mpharris36]

Yeah I prefer more info too but I like this way of doing it and think it'll lead to there being a lot less good players on $1 deals. It'll make the contracts given out more evenly spread just like the NBA. So I see the positives of it. Basically unless you only need bench filler you'll be breaking the bank to get good depth.

I actually see a lot more value deals that will go out for rotational depth. Because since there is no more inquiries you if your a team with limited cap you can inquire about 15 players anymore and choose the cheapest option. You will probably just have to individually submit an offer on 1 or 2 guys that you can fit into cap that means that if other teams bid on the same player and only 1 team bids on some of the other guys. Chances are those guys could go for very cheap.

Before you could just inquire without having to have the $$$ to back it up. So you could look for deals and beat cheap offers. Now that you can only bid what you have so guys could go really cheap. If you have to pivot now it can get very tricky because if you only have 1 year remaining on a guy you basically just have to put a blind bid and hope it wins.

Well there's not a lot of big name free agents this year so I think it depends on the position. For example there's one position without much starting talent going around so everyone with a need at that position will be scrambling for role players. All the contenders that also have cap space can send large 1 year deals in to get bench depth too.

I'm trying not to tip my hand though, maybe others haven't thought about what I've thought about and aren't going to make the plays I am expecting them to.

Yeah this FA class will be fine because its not that strong and I think many people with the reset FA year upcoming will be more frugal with long term spending. But that is just an opinion who knows what everyone has in mind but I don't think people will want a lot of long term dollars tied up with the potential of next years FA crop.

So the system should be fine this year. I have my reservations for next year though. With so many top tier FA's and a ton of money being thrown around I think there needs to be a way to pivot more on other targets if you lose your 1st option. Rather than you know the bidding is ending in 1 hour and you haven't bid on a guy because you were tied up with another guy that you lost. But now I have 1 hour and not knowing where that player is you are just throwing a blind dart at a wall.

[E-Balla]

I think my strategy will stay as originally thought. Let the dust settle and see who is left. I hate it but I hate spinning my wheels just as much. At least my plan was to not be a player this year in free agency. I will watch from the sidelines and learn from there.

That was also my original plan until I looked around at some of these rosters and made note of all the players that already have full rosters and hella cap space. Made me a bit nervous.

It is scary but they can just buy out their bad players and add their newly signed ones. This free agency reminds me of 2020 when the Hawks scored big with Bogdan and Gallinari. Most everyone else was sleeping on 2020 and counting on 2021.

It's possible. I know I'm still trying to get 3 (maybe 4) key pieces by the end of the FA period, I'm guessing others are too. I'm definitely not trying to get into any bidding battles in 2022 when everyone has big bank, that's how all the stars ended up with the absurd contracts they currently have.

[mpharris36]

It'll be interesting to see how this works. Overall seems ok for a small free agent class but not sure this is a great solution for a large free agent class to be honest. Seems like the free agency period is squeezed into like a day or 2 window, when I think it should be a longer process.

yeah it does feel like its more of a send you best and final early and hope a pray. If you lose out you basically are blind in throwing out offers that are ending soon for your pivoted targets. But it is what it is and people are very concerned about bad faith bids. I would prefer more info then less.

But lets give it a go. If people start losing FA's because its just a crazy throwing darts at a wall I think people will realize its better to have more info then less because almost every team just wants more info to make the best decision for there own team.

[E-Balla]

It'll be interesting to see how this works. Overall seems ok for a small free agent class but not sure this is a great solution for a large free agent class to be honest. Seems like the free agency period is squeezed into like a day or 2 window, when I think it should be a longer process.

yeah it does feel like its more of a send you best and final early and hope a pray. If you lose out you basically are blind in throwing out offers that are ending soon for your pivoted targets. But it is what it is and people are very concerned about bad faith bids. I would prefer more info then less.

But lets give it a go. If people start losing FA's because its just a crazy throwing darts at a wall I think people will realize its better to have more info then less because almost every team just wants more info to make the best decision for there own team.

More info is better, but if everyone has the same lack of access to information it definitely makes it more even doing things this way.

[Deeeez Knicks]

It'll be interesting to see how this works. Overall seems ok for a small free agent class but not sure this is a great solution for a large free agent class to be honest. Seems like the free agency period is squeezed into like a day or 2 window, when I think it should be a longer process.

yeah it does feel like its more of a send you best and final early and hope a pray. If you lose out you basically are blind in throwing out offers that are ending soon for your pivoted targets. But it is what it is and people are very concerned about bad faith bids. I would prefer more info then less.

But lets give it a go.

Yea, it seems like much more work and more complicated for all too. Everyone is just scared of hoffa.

[mpharris36]

It'll be interesting to see how this works. Overall seems ok for a small free agent class but not sure this is a great solution for a large free agent class to be honest. Seems like the free agency period is squeezed into like a day or 2 window, when I think it should be a longer process.

yeah it does feel like its more of a send you best and final early and hope a pray. If you lose out you basically are blind in throwing out offers that are ending soon for your pivoted targets. But it is what it is and people are very concerned about bad faith bids. I would prefer more info then less.

But lets give it a go. If people start losing FA's because its just a crazy throwing darts at a wall I think people will realize its better to have more info then less because almost every team just wants more info to make the best decision for there own team.

More info is better, but if everyone has the same lack of access to information it definitely makes it more even doing things this way.

I agree that everyone is blind so everyone is dealing with the same set of circumstances. So it is fair.

I just would rather have complete transparently information everyone is on the same playing field then no transparently with everyone playing on the same playing field if I had to choose.

But we will get feedback from the masses from this FA class. I don't know if this FA class will be anything like next year massive class which is my overall concern. Even if this works for this one...I have serious doubts it will be successful next one. For competitive league balance we can't be having top tier guys for going for dirt cheap. It would be bad for the game if it just so happened that a couple top players don't get blindly bided on and go for nothing because teams couldn't pivot in enough time to know where the bidding was at.

[mpharris36]

It'll be interesting to see how this works. Overall seems ok for a small free agent class but not sure this is a great solution for a large free agent class to be honest. Seems like the free agency period is squeezed into like a day or 2 window, when I think it should be a longer process.

yeah it does feel like its more of a send you best and final early and hope a pray. If you lose out you basically are blind in throwing out offers that are ending soon for your pivoted targets. But it is what it is and people are very concerned about bad faith bids. I would prefer more info then less.

But lets give it a go.

Yea, it seems like much more work and more complicated for all too. Everyone is just scared of hoffa.

If people are worried he can still operate in the shadows which if they are worried about that is more damaging then actually knowing who he is bidding on because I think if you know what offers he has out there if you are that worried he is just juicing up bids you can then stick it to him and let him win those guys he really doesn't want.

Imagine an agent walking into a teams office and the team saying we are interested in you. And the Agent says give me an offer. You send an offer and they just walk out of the door without letting you know what it actually takes to send a competitive offer. If that happens to 2-3 guys you just now have wasted 6-8 hours and could wind up with no one.

[bishnykfan]

Bish updates all FA info on the 2nd back of the following link (on the end of the team pages)

viewtopic.php?f=24&t=2099633&start=20

you will see a post that says FA - he will post updates that this player will sign at 3:43 pm if a better offer doesn't come in

He will also PM you if you are the winning bid and what time that player will sign so you can confirm that you are still winning bid if he says to you, you will win this player at 3:43 pm. If you see the player go to 10:43 pm and now know you aren't the leading bidder on that page.

People didn't want the spreadsheet because they want the smallest amount of info out there in the bidding process. So there will be no way to know if a guy is currently out of your price range you have to submit an offer and hopefully guess right. If you don't get a response back from Bish then you know he is out of your price range. That is the only way to know.

I have my opinion on the matter and would prefer more info then less but this is what people decided.

Yeah I prefer more info too but I like this way of doing it and think it'll lead to there being a lot less good players on $1 deals. It'll make the contracts given out more evenly spread just like the NBA. So I see the positives of it. Basically unless you only need bench filler you'll be breaking the bank to get good depth.

This is why I think the current winning amount would be cool. I have one roster spot open and 12 dollars. Obviously I am not getting a top tier free agent.I will probably only get a tier 3 at best. I hate the idea of wasting time ( Bish and mine ) making useless inquiries into players that are out of my range from jump street.

If people voted that out so be it. It was just a thought to put the amount on the list.

The current winning bid doesn't mean a ton though. It is the amount each team needs to beat the current winning bid that matters and that is different for all teams. Which is what the spreadsheet was going to make known so everyone would at least have that info. But the backlash against the spreadsheet was unexpected and a bit disappointing so we are left with this system for now.

Also, just an FYI, in a team like yours case, where you have a $12 max bid lets say, you can submit a PM with 30 players on it. I will go from top down until I reach one where that $12 is enough to have the leading bid. So you can basically submit your $12 offer to Players A-?. After the first bidding period you will know who is in and out of your range.

[NewEra]

I’m just hoping most of y’all get drunk Saturday night the 21st, and don’t wake up until 2pm Sunday to be quite honest.

[3toheadmelo]

I love this new system cause you will be forced to throw in legit bids if you want the player. Now people won’t be wasting bish’s time with bad faith bids.