Knicks to Hire Mike Brown as Next Head Coach

[BKlutch]

We all can use a handy in our lives...

We can all look forward to a coach who has learned the lesson a wise man posted on this board:
"If you'd rather see your team fail so you can be right...you are a fan of your opinion not the team."

Brown will adapt to the players and what works. I don't think that was true before. I'm really rooting for him and the team to succeed.

I appreciate the kind words...

I didn't get to make the choice and while he may not be my choice or the most exciting choice out there his track record suggests he will at least be competent enough to compare to what Thibs was doing.

His track record suggests he's adaptable enough to use the players to their potential and abilities. It also suggests he accepts input from others to produce some of the most effective schemes and game plans to use the talent.

The bar is set so high that there's only one outcome that constitutes success for him and that's finals with a title changing his legacy as a coach and cementing him as a legend in NY. Just getting conference finals is a 'failure' in the eyes of observers and possibly even in the franchise.

They didn't ask my input or opinion when making the choice so all I can do is want the Knicks to accomplish what we've all be waiting for. He definitely isn't an inspiring hire in my perception but neither was Thibs, either, yet here we are.

I admire the hell out of Rick Carlisle for how he had Indiana playing this year. Next year, they're down 2 starters and won't likely do as well, but Carlisle may still do an amazing job. The point is, we need to see our team playing well, and avoiding the intense frustrations of the past few years. Winning is of course the goal, but it's not the only way to evaluate the coach. Even Kerr doesn't win without a great roster, but he's still a great coach. So we need to be realistic but I do hope that, if we're all healthy and able to pay, we are in the finals this sesaon destroying those puny Western Conference losers!

[stuporman]

Apparently you can't read. wanna get banned together for derailing the thread? Sounds like fun! Or you can just stop now and don't lie about me ever again. Valid points are not trash. Deal with it and move on if you can't have an adult conversation.

You do this all the time with so many posters...don't you ever get tired of it?

I do get tired of fighting with people who twist words and act like they won some argument or can clown people over something that was never said. Again. You are derailing the thread and I am done correcting you. Good day sir.

How did I twist your words? I didn't even quote you and wasn't even referring to anything you had posted, it was someone else. You're just too fragile to be on the internet sometimes, get over yourself.

Although. I noticed your 'practical' commentary in a previous post said his titles as an assistant were 20 years ago...those titles were in the past 10 years and the most recent was 3 years ago.

I guess 'realistic' and 'practical' doesn't mean factual for you but don't let me twist your words.

needless personal attack. -JVG

[Context]

Real gm is like politics. People pick a side and run with it. I allowed myself to do research and the research shows he was the right choice for this team.

I dont pick sides personally. I do run with things from time to time WITHOUT doing research I must admit. This was one of those times.
Browns resume is incredible. Like I said, growth doesnt have to stop. It stopped for Thibs. We will find out if Brown can get better today.
We will find out if Brown is going to push himself toward being greater. He has a unique group to work with. Can't wait to see him work.

I think you nailed the issue with Thibs - he couldn't grow. Strange as it seems, I think his hair style is a metaphor for his personality. Although he had less and less, instead of a more modern style, he maximized his last few strands at the expense of his overall look. He coached the same way. I know, it seems funny, but that's his personality. After a while, every person must acknowledge that other people have much to contribute. He couldn't do that.

That line right there...One of the KEY areas in leadership that an aspiring leader needs to understand.

[BKlutch]

I dont pick sides personally. I do run with things from time to time WITHOUT doing research I must admit. This was one of those times.
Browns resume is incredible. Like I said, growth doesnt have to stop. It stopped for Thibs. We will find out if Brown can get better today.
We will find out if Brown is going to push himself toward being greater. He has a unique group to work with. Can't wait to see him work.

I think you nailed the issue with Thibs - he couldn't grow. Strange as it seems, I think his hair style is a metaphor for his personality. Although he had less and less, instead of a more modern style, he maximized his last few strands at the expense of his overall look. He coached the same way. I know, it seems funny, but that's his personality. After a while, every person must acknowledge that other people have much to contribute. He couldn't do that.

That line right there...One of the KEY areas in leadership that an aspiring leader needs to understand.

That's the true meaning of collaboration - others can give us what we'd never be able to do on our own. It doens't mean being a patsy for Leon, WWW, and James.

[Jalen Bluntson]

You do this all the time with so many posters...don't you ever get tired of it?

I do get tired of fighting with people who twist words and act like they won some argument or can clown people over something that was never said. Again. You are derailing the thread and I am done correcting you. Good day sir.

How did I twist your words? I didn't even quote you and wasn't even referring to anything you had posted, it was someone else. You're just too fragile to be on the internet sometimes, get yourself.

Although. I noticed your 'practical' commentary in a previous post said his titles as an assistant were 20 years ago...those titles were in the past 10 years and the most recent was 3 years ago.

I guess 'realistic' and 'practical' doesn't mean factual for you but don't let me twist your words.

For the last time...STOP!! You are twisting and cherry picking and ignoring any and all context in order to argue things that I am not saying. Now stop lying and derailing the thread because I have CLEARLY clarified my stance several times in this thread and you continue to push for a win about something that isn't being said. Go away and have a nice day. The mods have spoken about this type of behavior enough that I shouldn't have to!! STFU and GTFO!

wasn't the last time, was it? don't need the dramatic goodbyes. just stop. and mods don't need this kind of help. -JVG

[stuporman]

I do get tired of fighting with people who twist words and act like they won some argument or can clown people over something that was never said. Again. You are derailing the thread and I am done correcting you. Good day sir.

How did I twist your words? I didn't even quote you and wasn't even referring to anything you had posted, it was someone else. You're just too fragile to be on the internet sometimes, get yourself.

Although. I noticed your 'practical' commentary in a previous post said his titles as an assistant were 20 years ago...those titles were in the past 10 years and the most recent was 3 years ago.

I guess 'realistic' and 'practical' doesn't mean factual for you but don't let me twist your words.

For the last time...STOP!! You are twisting and cherry picking and ignoring any and all context in order to argue things that I am not saying. Now stop lying and derailing the thread because I have CLEARLY clarified my stance several times in this thread and you continue to push for a win about something that isn't being said. Go away and have a nice day. The mods have spoken about this type of behavior enough that I shouldn't have to!! STFU and GTFO!

Crash out in progress...

derail fuel. -JVG

[Pr0nzingis]

You clearly aren't paying attention. Please do so next time.

oh i've been paying attention, i noticed how u ignored how i completly destroyed your ridiculous argument and then had the nerve to ask people to make points related to what u said.

None of that happened. Now go away.

U know that people can go back and read the thread right?

[sol537]

Thibs had major trust issues.

He didn't trust his bench.

He didn't trust his assistants.

He didn't trust his front office.

It all culminated in an unprecedented game 1 ECF choke job of epic proportions.

Hopefully Brown can continue to learn from Thibs' issues and Brown's own past.

[god shammgod]

new rules, new place, same as the old place....i don't mind it a bit lol

please don't add to the trainwreck like this. -JVG

[F N 11]

You are right Stu. I wanted the new genius assistant.
After looking at Browns resume. He makes more sense.
Looking forward to see which assistants they bring in.

Real gm is like politics. People pick a side and run with it. I allowed myself to do research and the research shows he was the right choice for this team.

I dont pick sides personally. I do run with things from time to time WITHOUT doing research I must admit. This was one of those times.
Browns resume is incredible. Like I said, growth doesnt have to stop. It stopped for Thibs. We will find out if Brown can get better today.
We will find out if Brown is going to push himself toward being greater. He has a unique group to work with. Can't wait to see him work.

When everything you read good about him is our weaknesses I had no choice but to say damn good choice. Whether his assistants helped out or not, we should be excited.

[F N 11]

Real gm is like politics. People pick a side and run with it. I allowed myself to do research and the research shows he was the right choice for this team.

I dont pick sides personally. I do run with things from time to time WITHOUT doing research I must admit. This was one of those times.
Browns resume is incredible. Like I said, growth doesnt have to stop. It stopped for Thibs. We will find out if Brown can get better today.
We will find out if Brown is going to push himself toward being greater. He has a unique group to work with. Can't wait to see him work.

I think you nailed the issue with Thibs - he couldn't grow. Strange as it seems, I think his hair style is a metaphor for his personality. Although he had less and less, instead of a more modern style, he maximized his last few strands at the expense of his overall look. He coached the same way. I know, it seems funny, but that's his personality. After a while, every person must acknowledge that other people have much to contribute. He couldn't do that.

Baffling the bench almost saved him then in Typical Thibs fashion he waited too long and didn’t trust them long enough.

[Jalen Bluntson]

oh i've been paying attention, i noticed how u ignored how i completly destroyed your ridiculous argument and then had the nerve to ask people to make points related to what u said.

None of that happened. Now go away.

U know that people can go back and read the thread right?

Go back and do it then. Just don't lie amd keep derailing the thread when you respond. I made myself clear and you people don't use the points being made as the basis for these ridiculous back and forth.

The resume of Mike Brown that matters in relevance to THIS job is what happened in SAC. NOTHING else needs to be discussed. Period. All the fluff of asst coach championships that date back decades are irrelevant. The team records with HOF/GOAT level players are irrelevant in regards to THIS JOB. He doesn't have any here. He has a roster that may be better than SAC but, it's at least along the same lines. So that was a two year and three months gig. That's where I am looking for who he is as a HC. It's the only RELEVANT part of his resume that matters right now.

Where's the lie? How do you destroy that? You didn't. Thanks for playing. Go roast marshmallows with Stuporman and rub weiners!

Bye now.

i deserve better. -JVG

[Ghetto Gospel]

new rules, new place, same as the old place....i don't mind it a bit lol

basically the nba every offseason when it comes to emphasizing their new flopping rules

helpful. thank you. -JVG

[Context]

I think you nailed the issue with Thibs - he couldn't grow. Strange as it seems, I think his hair style is a metaphor for his personality. Although he had less and less, instead of a more modern style, he maximized his last few strands at the expense of his overall look. He coached the same way. I know, it seems funny, but that's his personality. After a while, every person must acknowledge that other people have much to contribute. He couldn't do that.

That line right there...One of the KEY areas in leadership that an aspiring leader needs to understand.

That's the true meaning of collaboration - others can give us what we'd never be able to do on our own. It doens't mean being a patsy for Leon, WWW, and James.

without a doubt Bklutch!
what I want to know is what would be the true meaning of this for us:

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[Pr0nzingis]

i dunno if ppl are trolling of having a mental breakdown, but i'm jumping here...

When did the Knicks ever had a better chance to win than last year? Against Jordan Bulls? hell no. Against Hakeem Rockets? no. Against Duncan Spurs? No. When?

I said it here when we were facing the Pistons, Knicks weren't playing to win, they were playing to get as far as possible. Unacceptable. The ECF fans love it, i don't care, i want to win.

We got lucky beating the Pistons, some refs decisions went our way, Thibs gave the bench 13 minutes a game. We got lucky against the Celtics, we were being blown out and suddenly Celtics coudn't make a basket to save their lifes, twice in a row... when did this ever happened? If Tatum didn't injured himself i'm sure Thibs even with all the luck in the world and Kristaps being a non factor would've found a way to lose... and then against the pacers down 0-2 and in the third game losing by 20 decides to put the blame on the bench, which was comical and guess what? Knicks end up winning! lol

This is what people are defending... knicks stumbling into the ECF with some of the worst coaching possible when they should have gone to the finals walking straight.


The next Knicks coach could've been a lamp post and i would've been more hopefull than having to endure Thibs another year and i would be here defending the lamp post.

troll into personal attack combo is solid work. also, knicks were up 3-2 on the rockets in the finals. -JVG

[TheGreenArrow]

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Very interesting Folkssssssss!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Context]

Real gm is like politics. People pick a side and run with it. I allowed myself to do research and the research shows he was the right choice for this team.

I dont pick sides personally. I do run with things from time to time WITHOUT doing research I must admit. This was one of those times.
Browns resume is incredible. Like I said, growth doesnt have to stop. It stopped for Thibs. We will find out if Brown can get better today.
We will find out if Brown is going to push himself toward being greater. He has a unique group to work with. Can't wait to see him work.

When everything you read good about him is our weaknesses I had no choice but to say damn good choice. Whether his assistants helped out or not, we should be excited.

Exactly
I've found that its not only ok to realize you're wrong but it feels good when you admit it. As much as I wanted Bryant. Mike Brown brings experience
plus so much of what we didnt have and so much of what we need F N 11!

[rajajackal]

oh brother not coming back into this thread until the crying is done

this commentary does not advance the conversation. just sit it out next time. -JVG

[Pr0nzingis]

None of that happened. Now go away.

U know that people can go back and read the thread right?

Go back and do it then. Just don't lie amd keep derailing the thread when you respond. I made myself clear and you people don't use the points being made as the basis for these ridiculous back and forth.

The resume of Mike Brown that matters in relevance to THIS job is what happened in SAC. NOTHING else needs to be discussed. Period. All the fluff of asst coach championships that date back decades are irrelevant. The team records with HOF/GOAT level players are irrelevant in regards to THIS JOB. He doesn't have any here. He has a roster that may be better than SAC but, it's at least along the same lines. So that was a two year and three months gig. That's where I am looking for who he is as a HC. It's the only RELEVANT part of his resume that matters right now.

Where's the lie? How do you destroy that? You didn't. Thanks for playing. Go roast marshmallows with Stuporman and rub weiners!

Bye now.

U are the only one derailing this thread... u are the one ignoring people that address and destroy your arguments and keep posting the same crap and asking ppl to address your arguments and now keeps derailing the thread by making stuff up and trying to act like u are the victim here.

Step outside u need fresh air.

you have firmly joined the derail party with a side of trolling. -JVG

[Jalen Bluntson]

Amazing. If you are happy about the choice it's ok. If you are upset about the choice it's ok. If you are in the middle and trying to make sense of both sides you are harassed by both sides. Wild. Such a sign of the times.