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[Camelo Thread Part 19] - Nyets won't be used pg 52

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Re: [Camelo Thread Part 19] - Knicks Deal 65% Done?! (Pg. 28) 

Post#661 » by BBALLER4FR » Fri Feb 18, 2011 1:01 am

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Clyde_Style wrote:Exactamundo. People here speak with such authority making big assumptions as if they have knowledge or insight into what is going on, what people involved really think, feel or value and what Melo is willing to settle for. It is getting pathetic reading all the back seat drivers who think they know what another person wants.

We don't know who Melo really is as a human being and we won't know much more until we see what his role is in this drama boils down to. In the end, the Nuggets can only pull off a deal with Melo's final input. No team is going to take on Melo blind without some assurances about his intentions. And it was destined to go down to the wire anyway. That's the nature of the beast.

I said a little while back that until Melo proves otherwise, the only safe assumption is he is driven by money first and everything else is secondary. That's what drives most people in this situation. Since talk is cheap, and anyone can say they want to play in NY, we won't know if that was a legit stand he is taking or just hopeful mumblings that he won't go to the wall to defend.

But we don't know until we know. Claiming to know what Melo will accept is a fool's game and there are a lot of fools out there, primarily in the media (with a few here).


Really? If you were a top 10 player who played his college ball at Ohio State, would you play for the Cavs right now for $65mil? I'm not talking about Clyde_Style the RealGM poster, I'm talking Clyde_Style, top 10 SF, currently most coveted FA who's always made the playoffs currently opting out of the same $$, and happens to be playing for an already playoff positioned team?


That you know exactly what motivates ANYBODY who would be in Melo's position and that you, I and him would all handle the same situation exactly the same?

That's EXACTLY what I was saying is something you do not have the ability to say with any such certainty.

Help me out here, because what is your point really?


You're right. But what we can also agree on is that NONE of us are top 10 players in the NBA and you can't even act like that doesn't matter at all. Sure $$$ plays a role. environment plays a role. But winning also absolutely has to play a role otherwise they wouldn't be competitive and they certainly wouldn't be at the top of their game. Even LeBron proved it. Bosh didn't go to Houston and he could have gotten MAX there. Wade didn't go back to CHI and he could have gotten MAX and contended there, but he knew his chances were increased exponentially with LeBron and Bosh. It's career suicide to play for a $hitty team for the $$$ but you guys like to think maybe Melo would do it because YOU might. I'm saying NO WAY!!!
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Re: [Camelo Thread Part 19] - Knicks Deal 65% Done?! (Pg. 28) 

Post#662 » by next2spike » Fri Feb 18, 2011 1:01 am

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Denver-NJ in advanced talks on Anthony, Billups, Balkman, Ely, Williams for Favors, Harris, Murphy, Uzoh and 4 1st rounders, source tells Y!

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Re: [Camelo Thread Part 19] - Knicks Deal 65% Done?! (Pg. 28) 

Post#663 » by vallen » Fri Feb 18, 2011 1:02 am

Dont worry people, As much as anyone hates to admit it DEN has played this as best they can. They are just trying to get the best possible deal, and aren't going to hand him over without a fight. if situation was reversed and Amare wanted out, Id hope we have a GM who would explore every opportunity to get us the best possible return as well. And maybe they dont even think Favors is the best possible scenario, but it still helps them drive up the price if it works.

They have nothing to lose gettin Melo to talk to NJ, and maybe something to gain. A week ago our Package was Chandler, a Pick, and this incredible Savings that almost nobody is talking about anymore. And today, even the stingiest of posters are willing to give up at least 2/3...

We may hate their guts, but Denvers FO is at least going to be able to sleep after the 24th knowing they tried every possible scenario to get the most they possibly could have.

with that said Melo isnt signing with NJ, and he will be a Knick a week from now..... NJ doesnt make sense no matter how badly he wants the money and leaving DEN for NJ would look really really bad...
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Re: [Camelo Thread Part 19] - Knicks Deal 65% Done?! (Pg. 28) 

Post#664 » by HoneyNutMelos » Fri Feb 18, 2011 1:03 am

@WojYahooNBA: Denver-NJ in advanced talks on Anthony, Billups, Balkman, Ely, Williams for Favors, Harris, Murphy, Uzoh and 4 1st rounders, source tells Y!


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Re: [Camelo Thread Part 19] - Knicks Deal 65% Done?! (Pg. 28) 

Post#665 » by god shammgod » Fri Feb 18, 2011 1:03 am

next2spike wrote:WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
Denver-NJ in advanced talks on Anthony, Billups, Balkman, Ely, Williams for Favors, Harris, Murphy, Uzoh and 4 1st rounders, source tells Y!

DON'T GET PLAYED!


i'm really surprised at jersey, i didn't think they would allow themselves to be used again. pathetic.
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Re: [Camelo Thread Part 19] - Knicks Deal 65% Done?! (Pg. 28) 

Post#666 » by HoneyNutMelos » Fri Feb 18, 2011 1:04 am

@WojYahooNBA: again, Nets and Nuggets have a framework, but Carmelo Anthony needs to be sold. Prokhorov-'Melo meeting could finally happen in L.A.

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Re: [Camelo Thread Part 19] - Knicks Deal 65% Done?! (Pg. 28) 

Post#667 » by MSGLegendNY » Fri Feb 18, 2011 1:04 am

Lmao 4 first rounders!!!
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Post#668 » by Pharmcat » Fri Feb 18, 2011 1:04 am

god shammgod wrote:
next2spike wrote:WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
Denver-NJ in advanced talks on Anthony, Billups, Balkman, Ely, Williams for Favors, Harris, Murphy, Uzoh and 4 1st rounders, source tells Y!

DON'T GET PLAYED!


i'm really surprised at jersey, i didn't think they would allow themselves to be used again. pathetic.


lets see how it gets played out
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Post#669 » by NBA Fan 1234 » Fri Feb 18, 2011 1:06 am

Did Stromile Swift have a lot of trade value when he was drafted because he was a lottery pick? Lol...

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Re: [Camelo Thread Part 19] - Knicks Deal 65% Done?! (Pg. 28) 

Post#670 » by melostat » Fri Feb 18, 2011 1:06 am

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ibraheim718 wrote:And the kid doesn't have the charisma of even an Amar'e so the endorsements are going to be the same (to me) wherever he goes. I just know one thing if he signs the extension for either Denver or NJ I ain't going to be mad at him. 65MILLLION GUARANTEED!!!! Guaranteed..... is a lot of coin. If he doesn't all it takes is one torn patella or a serious back injury for him to never have the chance to sign a contract like this ever again. I'm not saying he will or he won't but I'm definitely not going to hate on the guy if he does. He's gotta do what he's gotta do.


He's a NY (Syracuse) kid. Marbury had the personality of sod and ate Vaseline but made COIN in NY. Nevermind Melo being the easiest scorer in the league, you think his personality is a problem? Ugh. And $65 million guaranteed is worthless if you're leaving the Nuggets (who could give you that same contract) to play for the Nets.

So you're saying you would rather move to Denver than play, not live, in New Jeresey (soon to be Brooklyn) and be close to your family?


you really think he wants to go home..he wants to pair with amare so the cheats wont have an easy path to a ring..
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Re: [Camelo Thread Part 19] - Knicks Deal 65% Done?! (Pg. 28) 

Post#671 » by NJ_YANKEE_45 » Fri Feb 18, 2011 1:06 am

Lol, Melo is probably laughing his ass off right now.
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Post#672 » by tangotai » Fri Feb 18, 2011 1:06 am

next2spike wrote:WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
Denver-NJ in advanced talks on Anthony, Billups, Balkman, Ely, Williams for Favors, Harris, Murphy, Uzoh and 4 1st rounders, source tells Y!

DON'T GET PLAYED!


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Re: [Camelo Thread Part 19] - Knicks Deal 65% Done?! (Pg. 28) 

Post#673 » by vallen » Fri Feb 18, 2011 1:07 am

next2spike wrote:WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
Denver-NJ in advanced talks on Anthony, Billups, Balkman, Ely, Williams for Favors, Harris, Murphy, Uzoh and 4 1st rounders, source tells Y!

DON'T GET PLAYED!



were about to find out what Melo is really made of.....
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Re: [Camelo Thread Part 19] - Knicks Deal 65% Done?! (Pg. 28) 

Post#674 » by GONYK » Fri Feb 18, 2011 1:07 am

I think our deal has priority. They are engaging the Nets to tell Carmelo that a deal is in place just in case we don't get something done.

The Nets of course just want to make things harder for us.
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Re: [Camelo Thread Part 19] - Knicks Deal 65% Done?! (Pg. 28) 

Post#675 » by Li'l Penny » Fri Feb 18, 2011 1:07 am

His services has gone to the highest bidder so forget about Adrian ever having any journalistic integrity
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Post#676 » by knicks9784 » Fri Feb 18, 2011 1:08 am

MSGLegendNY wrote:Lmao 4 first rounders!!!


i was gonna say the exact same thing haha

4? no team is trading 4 first rounders
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Post#677 » by ophdog » Fri Feb 18, 2011 1:08 am

Everyday that goes by makes me think they are going to hold on to him because they dont seem to be negotiating to make a deal with us and presumably love to either waste NJ time or not believe Melo about not wanting Jersey
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Re: [Camelo Thread Part 19] - Knicks Deal 65% Done?! (Pg. 28) 

Post#678 » by NYman15 » Fri Feb 18, 2011 1:08 am

unbelievable i cant handle this anymore if he wants to go to NJ good luck to him but if Donnie doesn't get this done he is probably gone i cant take this anymore
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Post#679 » by iDunk » Fri Feb 18, 2011 1:08 am

Only reason I fear the Nets is because Prokhorov is actually a very bright man who can sell things to people, how do you think he became a billionaire? I just hope Melo doesn't say "I just want this to be over with, so I'll sign the extension with the Nets", hopefully he sticks it out for another round.
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Re: [Camelo Thread Part 19] - Knicks Deal 65% Done?! (Pg. 28) 

Post#680 » by Clyde_Style » Fri Feb 18, 2011 1:09 am

BBALLER4FR wrote:You're right. But what we can also agree on is that NONE of us are top 10 players in the NBA and you can't even act like that doesn't matter at all. Sure $$$ plays a role. environment plays a role. But winning also absolutely has to play a role otherwise they wouldn't be competitive and they certainly wouldn't be at the top of their game. Even LeBron proved it. Bosh didn't go to Houston and he could have gotten MAX there. Wade didn't go back to CHI and he could have gotten MAX and contended there, but he knew his chances were increased exponentially with LeBron and Bosh. It's career suicide to play for a $hitty team for the $$$ but you guys like to think maybe Melo would do it because YOU might. I'm saying NO WAY!!!


What the guys in Miami did is neither a measure of predictability nor an assumption about Melo's character you can reliably correlate. You simply can't do it. That's life baby.

But you can make plausible arguments about why any move would make sense to you in terms of how you believe it would impact Melo. Personally, I see little to gain for him to sign anywhere else now since him and Stat on a Walsh run team with more cap room and some good supporting players in New York City is pretty hard to top. But what we simply don't know is how important it is to him to know how much $ he is going to make or if he is willing to accept less or go to FA.

Here's what I think would be smart, but I'm in a very small minority. If I were Melo, I would think my best chance to join NY and win a championship is to do anything possible to see us retain our talent and join us as a FA. His earning power as a champion would result in all the endorsement money he could dream of. As the lead scorer (Amar'e can take a back seat) on a championship team in NYC, he'd earn far more over time than he would on an average playoff team. The key may simply be letting Denver choke on itself and walking to us via FA. But, hey, that's just me and my crazy ideas. But I don't have a clue what is in Melo's head and neither does anyone else.

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