Me7o Thread: Hoodie edition

[Bill Pidto]

I think it unfair to say Melo will stifle development when we have seen that Melo with a point guard with a brain buys in. Melo with J-Kidd was a good player. I say, considering the lineups he's had to play with, he deserves a chance going forward.

its a number game I simply don't want him taking shots away from KP, WHG, and THjr.

Yeah, it's not about him being a "good player" or not. He's never going to really take a back seat. He's never going to come in and play that J-Kidd role like Kidd played for him, no matter his age. He's not that kind of player and person. That's not his game. He's got nothing to offer but scoring and the way he scores is mostly one-on-one.

It doesn't have to be personal. Nobody has to come running to defend this guy here. This is all very simple: with the amount of young talent the team is starting to accumulate, the heights they want and expect KP to reach, and what they want to accomplish this season with the development of these players and possibly a chance at another lottery pick.... it is so very obvious that Melo needs to be removed from this team, and it's naive to think that he can still fit in or help any sort of long term agenda, and very naive to think he would even want to do that in any capacity. Melo is over New York.

God's speed, Steve Mills.

[battabing10]

I think it unfair to say Melo will stifle development when we have seen that Melo with a point guard with a brain buys in. Melo with J-Kidd was a good player. I say, considering the lineups he's had to play with, he deserves a chance going forward.

its a number game I simply don't want him taking shots away from KP, WHG, and THjr.

Yeah, it's not about him being a "good player" or not. He's never going to really take a back seat. He's never going to come in and play that J-Kidd role like Kidd played for him, no matter his age. He's not that kind of player and person. That's not his game. He's got nothing to offer but scoring and the way he scores is mostly one-on-one.

It doesn't have to be personal. Nobody has to come running to defend this guy here. This is all very simple: with the amount of young talent the team is starting to accumulate, the heights they want and expect KP to reach, and what they want to accomplish this season with the development of these players and possibly a chance at another lottery pick.... it is so very obvious that Melo needs to be removed from this team, and it's naive to think that he can still fit in or help any sort of long term agenda, and very naive to think he would even want to do that in any capacity. Melo is over New York.

God's speed, Steve Mills.

Maybe it's naive to expect him to fit in but I do think even at this stage of the game one could give him the benefit of the doubt, give Melo a chance to be the good soldier, and not have it be all about him. I want to believe that he bears the Knicks no ill will and understands that the dysfunction he has experienced is behind him and that the only source of dysfunction this season would in fact be coming from him, something that I want to believe he doesn't have in him. I want to believe that he'll be content to have his minutes limited until the right deal for the Knicks presents itself.

He has said some really dumb things during his time here, and made some dumb decisions, and doesn't seem interested in shouldering any responsibility, but I don't see malice in any of that. It seems that you do, though-- and in my opinion that's a little unfair.

[Handledatruth]

We will not be that bad for a top pick. We have 2 rising stars and a few really good young pieces. In the east that can get you to the playoffs. Also refocus on a modern offense can really get these guys going.

Dude stop. We will be top 5 bad this year.

We have no point guard. We have the worst pg situation in the league.That alone guarantees us no more than 28 wins.

Hovering around 28 wins is not guaranteeing top 5 to be honest. Also do you really dislike Frank N that much?

[F N 11]

We will not be that bad for a top pick. We have 2 rising stars and a few really good young pieces. In the east that can get you to the playoffs. Also refocus on a modern offense can really get these guys going.

Dude stop. We will be top 5 bad this year.

We have no point guard. We have the worst pg situation in the league.That alone guarantees us no more than 28 wins.

You have 0 faith. That kind of mindset leads to nothing. I will root for each one of the young guys to continue to grow into legit players and get W's. Our doom was our terrible terrible defense. We signed Baker and drafted Frank. Going with defense at the position. You have no idea what Frank can bring. Just relax.

[Dkillanyk4lyf]

We will not be that bad for a top pick. We have 2 rising stars and a few really good young pieces. In the east that can get you to the playoffs. Also refocus on a modern offense can really get these guys going.

Dude stop. We will be top 5 bad this year.

We have no point guard. We have the worst pg situation in the league.That alone guarantees us no more than 28 wins.

Hovering around 28 wins is not guaranteeing top 5 to be honest. Also do you really dislike Frank N that much?

I love frank but this draft has players that would fit perfectly with our core.

This draft could put our young core on par with the 76ers and lakers of the world.

Rite now we arent even in the conversation. Outside of kp(who some people still doubt will be a superstar cornerstone talent) we have no true foundational pieces. Hernangomez has a lot to prove.

Lakers have ball-ingram-clarkson-randle-zubac
Twolves have wiggins-towns.
76ers have fultz-embid-simmons

Even the **** bk nets have as much if not more young talent in druss-lavert-crabb-rh Jefferson.

This is an important draft for this franchise. Doncic or mpjr even bagley,bamba and ayton can
Put us on par with those teams mentioned above.

[thebuzzardman]

We will not be that bad for a top pick. We have 2 rising stars and a few really good young pieces. In the east that can get you to the playoffs. Also refocus on a modern offense can really get these guys going.

Dude stop. We will be top 5 bad this year.

We have no point guard. We have the worst pg situation in the league.That alone guarantees us no more than 28 wins.

Hovering around 28 wins is not guaranteeing top 5 to be honest. Also do you really dislike Frank N that much?

I was thinking, who are the true, strong contenders for worst 3 teams and who are the pretenders, those teams that could be as low as 4th, but alas, wind up as high as 8th?

Contenders:
Bulls
Hawks
Nets?
Magic?
Phoenix?

Pretenders
Knicks
Sacramento
Mavs
Portland?
Clippers?




I'm pulling the list from my ass. The Bulls and Hawks seem hands down the worst teams. The Nets will be bad, but I don't see them as worst team lock anymore.

Magic look pretty non compelling, but are they that much worse than the Knicks? I'm not even sure if Sacramento deserves to be on the list anymore, but I guess with youth, they could be anywhere from 4-8. Mavs don't seem that great, not sure if they are worse off than the Knicks right now. Portland and Clippers got included because I felt I was running out of bad teams. I think the Twolves have removed themselves from top 10 contention.

[thebuzzardman]

Dude stop. We will be top 5 bad this year.

We have no point guard. We have the worst pg situation in the league.That alone guarantees us no more than 28 wins.

Hovering around 28 wins is not guaranteeing top 5 to be honest. Also do you really dislike Frank N that much?

I love frank but this draft has players that would fit perfectly with our core.

This draft could put our young core on par with the 76ers and lakers of the world.

Rite now we arent even in the conversation. Outside of kp(who some people still doubt will be a superstar cornerstone talent) we have no true foundational pieces. Hernangomez has a lot to prove.

Lakers have ball-ingram-clarkson-randle-zubac
Twolves have wiggins-towns.
76ers have fultz-embid-simmons

Even the **** bk nets have as much if not more young talent in druss-lavert-crabb-rh Jefferson.

This is an important draft for this franchise. Doncic or mpjr even bagley,bamba and ayton can
Put us on par with those teams mentioned above.

I think the Knicks really need to get into the top 5 in this one, and honestly, top 3 is of course ideal. Then hope team 1 or 2 take a C and take Porter or Donic.

[Dkillanyk4lyf]

Dude stop. We will be top 5 bad this year.

We have no point guard. We have the worst pg situation in the league.That alone guarantees us no more than 28 wins.

Hovering around 28 wins is not guaranteeing top 5 to be honest. Also do you really dislike Frank N that much?

I was thinking, who are the true, strong contenders for worst 3 teams and who are the pretenders, those teams that could be as low as 4th, but alas, wind up as high as 8th?

Contenders:
Bulls
Hawks
Nets?
Magic?
Phoenix?

Pretenders
Knicks
Sacramento
Mavs
Portland?
Clippers?




I'm pulling the list from my ass. The Bulls and Hawks seem hands down the worst teams. The Nets will be bad, but I don't see them as worst team lock anymore.

Magic look pretty non compelling, but are they that much worse than the Knicks? I'm not even sure if Sacramento deserves to be on the list anymore, but I guess with youth, they could be anywhere from 4-8. Mavs don't seem that great, not sure if they are worse off than the Knicks right now. Portland and Clippers got included because I felt I was running out of bad teams. I think the Twolves have removed themselves from top 10 contention.

Phoenix and the magic will be better than us imo.
They just have more nba talent then we do.

Also i wouldnt be suprised if the nets are better than us. They have a legitimate pg rotation with druss and jlin which is vital in todays nba.

[Dkillanyk4lyf]

Hovering around 28 wins is not guaranteeing top 5 to be honest. Also do you really dislike Frank N that much?

I love frank but this draft has players that would fit perfectly with our core.

This draft could put our young core on par with the 76ers and lakers of the world.

Rite now we arent even in the conversation. Outside of kp(who some people still doubt will be a superstar cornerstone talent) we have no true foundational pieces. Hernangomez has a lot to prove.

Lakers have ball-ingram-clarkson-randle-zubac
Twolves have wiggins-towns.
76ers have fultz-embid-simmons

Even the **** bk nets have as much if not more young talent in druss-lavert-crabb-rh Jefferson.

This is an important draft for this franchise. Doncic or mpjr even bagley,bamba and ayton can
Put us on par with those teams mentioned above.

I think the Knicks really need to get into the top 5 in this one, and honestly, top 3 is of course ideal. Then hope team 1 or 2 take a C and take Porter or Donic.

Yep exactly

[Handledatruth]

Dude stop. We will be top 5 bad this year.

We have no point guard. We have the worst pg situation in the league.That alone guarantees us no more than 28 wins.

Hovering around 28 wins is not guaranteeing top 5 to be honest. Also do you really dislike Frank N that much?

I was thinking, who are the true, strong contenders for worst 3 teams and who are the pretenders, those teams that could be as low as 4th, but alas, wind up as high as 8th?

Contenders:
Bulls
Hawks
Nets?
Magic?
Phoenix?

Pretenders
Knicks
Sacramento
Mavs
Portland?
Clippers?




I'm pulling the list from my ass. The Bulls and Hawks seem hands down the worst teams. The Nets will be bad, but I don't see them as worst team lock anymore.

Magic look pretty non compelling, but are they that much worse than the Knicks? I'm not even sure if Sacramento deserves to be on the list anymore, but I guess with youth, they could be anywhere from 4-8. Mavs don't seem that great, not sure if they are worse off than the Knicks right now. Portland and Clippers got included because I felt I was running out of bad teams. I think the Twolves have removed themselves from top 10 contention.

The problem here is that the Western conference is going to be extremely unbalanced. In situations like this (similar to last year), you end up with a majority of the lottery bound teams being Western Conference teams even though the best teams are in that conference (disregarding the lottery results of course). Having stacked teams like Golden State and Houston essentially adds 4-8 guaranteed loses to a bottom tier Western Conference team. Add in OKC and now you have a possible 12 lose swing for a team like Sacramento or even Phoenix. It also gives teams like the Mavs, Memphis, or even Denver a chance to fall a bit as well. I mean someone's gotta take those Ls with these record breaking teams right? Just saying that top 5 isn't a lock at all, especially with a Eastern Conference that is much weaker than last year.

[thebuzzardman]

Hovering around 28 wins is not guaranteeing top 5 to be honest. Also do you really dislike Frank N that much?

I was thinking, who are the true, strong contenders for worst 3 teams and who are the pretenders, those teams that could be as low as 4th, but alas, wind up as high as 8th?

Contenders:
Bulls
Hawks
Nets?
Magic?
Phoenix?

Pretenders
Knicks
Sacramento
Mavs
Portland?
Clippers?




I'm pulling the list from my ass. The Bulls and Hawks seem hands down the worst teams. The Nets will be bad, but I don't see them as worst team lock anymore.

Magic look pretty non compelling, but are they that much worse than the Knicks? I'm not even sure if Sacramento deserves to be on the list anymore, but I guess with youth, they could be anywhere from 4-8. Mavs don't seem that great, not sure if they are worse off than the Knicks right now. Portland and Clippers got included because I felt I was running out of bad teams. I think the Twolves have removed themselves from top 10 contention.

Phoenix and the magic will be better than us imo.
They just have more nba talent then we do.

Also i wouldnt be suprised if the nets are better than us. They have a legitimate pg rotation with druss and jlin which is vital in todays nba.

Yeah, I was thinking that about Phoenix and Magic. I mean, I was really stretching to find 4 or 5 teams clearly worse than the Knicks. Bulls and Hawks seem like the only shoo-ins. Nets could be close. Even including them, that's 3. All the rest, seem clearly better than the Knicks are really close, in terms of final record.

I know the west being good skews things

[shtolky]

If Melo stays, I think the teams that would definitely be worse than us are Chicago, Orlando, Indiana, Atlanta, Phoenix, Nets, and Lakers. If Melo is gone and we don't bring back much for him, I would say we are still better than Atlanta, Chicago, Phoenix, and the Nets. Maybe the Lakers too. It's tough to predict because we don't know just how big a leap KP makes, and we don't know what Frank is going to give us at all.

[thebuzzardman]

If Melo stays, I think the teams that would definitely be worse than us are Chicago, Orlando, Indiana, Atlanta, Phoenix, Nets, and Lakers. If Melo is gone and we don't bring back much for him, I would say we are still better than Atlanta, Chicago, Phoenix, and the Nets. Maybe the Lakers too. It's tough to predict because we don't know just how big a leap KP makes, and we don't know what Frank is going to give us at all.

I forgot Indiana traded George for a moment. Yup, with Melo, we're better. Lakers and Phoenix seem to have more talent, but young+the West could/should mean more losses.

[thebuzzardman]

Knicks need to trade Melo and KP needs to go down with a non career threatening injury for the rest of season around game 40.

[shtolky]

Knicks need to trade Melo and KP needs to go down with a non career threatening injury for the rest of season around game 40.

Bite your tongue! Melo being traded is all that has to happen. KP at 22 can't carry us to more wins than we had last year. If Melo is gone, we will be bottom 5 for sure.

[shtolky]

If Melo stays, I think the teams that would definitely be worse than us are Chicago, Orlando, Indiana, Atlanta, Phoenix, Nets, and Lakers. If Melo is gone and we don't bring back much for him, I would say we are still better than Atlanta, Chicago, Phoenix, and the Nets. Maybe the Lakers too. It's tough to predict because we don't know just how big a leap KP makes, and we don't know what Frank is going to give us at all.

I forgot Indiana traded George for a moment. Yup, with Melo, we're better. Lakers and Phoenix seem to have more talent, but young+the West could/should mean more losses.

Yea I can't see any way we have more wins than those two teams seeing as they are young Western teams. The only saving grace perhaps is that the Lakers have no incentive to tank this season since either Philly or Boston gets their 2018 first rounder.

[rammagen]

Dude stop. We will be top 5 bad this year.

We have no point guard. We have the worst pg situation in the league.That alone guarantees us no more than 28 wins.

Hovering around 28 wins is not guaranteeing top 5 to be honest. Also do you really dislike Frank N that much?

I love frank but this draft has players that would fit perfectly with our core.

This draft could put our young core on par with the 76ers and lakers of the world.

Rite now we arent even in the conversation. Outside of kp(who some people still doubt will be a superstar cornerstone talent) we have no true foundational pieces. Hernangomez has a lot to prove.

Lakers have ball-ingram-clarkson-randle-zubac
Twolves have wiggins-towns.
76ers have fultz-embid-simmons

Even the **** bk nets have as much if not more young talent in druss-lavert-crabb-rh Jefferson.

This is an important draft for this franchise. Doncic or mpjr even bagley,bamba and ayton can
Put us on par with those teams mentioned above.

No Offense while you question our players lets look at your list
Lakers have ball-ingram-clarkson-randle-zubac
Not played a game yet ball, underwieght Ingram, 25yr old Clarkson, rnadle who is average, and zubac?
Twolves have wiggins-towns.
this makes sense
76ers have fultz-embid-simmons
this hurts two players how have not played in the nab and two of them missed extended amounts of time due to injuries.
Did you really think this through before posting?
The young kids the knicks have are good, you can not say they missed a yr due to injury or have not played a game yet. T
he french kid played at a very high level in France I think you might be shocked as you are over valuing other teams and under valuing the Knicks.
I think we are one player off at the 3

[rammagen]

We will not be that bad for a top pick. We have 2 rising stars and a few really good young pieces. In the east that can get you to the playoffs. Also refocus on a modern offense can really get these guys going.

Dude stop. We will be top 5 bad this year.

We have no point guard. We have the worst pg situation in the league.That alone guarantees us no more than 28 wins.

if our draft pick plays well?isn't he a pg?

[F N 11]

Yall just wanna tank untill the roster is full with top 5 draft picks lol. People so funny.

[Dkillanyk4lyf]

We will not be that bad for a top pick. We have 2 rising stars and a few really good young pieces. In the east that can get you to the playoffs. Also refocus on a modern offense can really get these guys going.

Dude stop. We will be top 5 bad this year.

We have no point guard. We have the worst pg situation in the league.That alone guarantees us no more than 28 wins.

if our draft pick plays well?isn't he a pg?

Dont get me wrong i love frank and his sky high potential, but im not expecting anything out of him this upcoming season.

I expect him to decelop at the same rate as giannis(i am NOT saying he will be as good as giannis). Even though people saw how good giannis could potentially be,his rookie year was pretty meh. I expect the same for frank.