Towns or Okafor or Mudiay or Russel?

[E-Balla]

i'm glad you acknowledged that. bowie was no scrub. he didn't even have a bad start. his knees gave out. no one could have seen that as much as they could have seen jordan becoming what he did. that 84 draft was amazing. olajuwon was the clear-cut #1, but you had HOF players littered throughout that what would become lottery area.

bowie put in some solid years DESPITE his debilitating injury that robbed him of his athleticism at his size. he deserves a lot more respect than being little more than a jay-z punchline to many. i watched him thug it out on those nets teams alongside derrick coleman, kenny anderson, drazen petrovic, terry mills, and chris morris

He missed two whole college seasons with an injury on the same exact leg. No one saw Greg Oden (who had no major injuries coming up) coming but Bowie was a medical redshirt the season before he was drafted to gain a 5th year of eligibility.

[frogfood]

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Guy has legit hops and is shooting up on a lot of mocks. Can we shoot though?

edit: http://www.fiba.com/news/hezonja-in-eli ... ng-display

LOTS of range.

[ColdBlooded]

[Jeff Van Gully]

i'm glad you acknowledged that. bowie was no scrub. he didn't even have a bad start. his knees gave out. no one could have seen that as much as they could have seen jordan becoming what he did. that 84 draft was amazing. olajuwon was the clear-cut #1, but you had HOF players littered throughout that what would become lottery area.

bowie put in some solid years DESPITE his debilitating injury that robbed him of his athleticism at his size. he deserves a lot more respect than being little more than a jay-z punchline to many. i watched him thug it out on those nets teams alongside derrick coleman, kenny anderson, drazen petrovic, terry mills, and chris morris

He missed two whole college seasons with an injury on the same exact leg. No one saw Greg Oden (who had no major injuries coming up) coming but Bowie was a medical redshirt the season before he was drafted to gain a 5th year of eligibility.

good point. but he recovered. and destroyed. you couldn't assume he was going to decline so suddenly. i think there was an expectation of more miles on those legs. shame.

[Jeff Van Gully]

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Guy has legit hops and is shooting up on a lot of mocks. Can we shoot though?

edit: http://www.fiba.com/news/hezonja-in-eli ... ng-display

LOTS of range.

PLAYER. someone's going to get a steal around 5 or 6.

[Jeff Van Gully]

mario has that nastiness you don't see from a lot of euro prospects. i love it. i know we're not trading down, but if we got a player and a pick to get him... i wouldn't even be mad. i think he is going to pan out in the league. you can tell from his aggressiveness that he wants the big stage.

i think if phil is not sold on russell and mudiay, mario is a fine idea for that #3 pick. he's more exciting to me than both of those guys.

[BKlutch]

There is a good article in the Wall St. Journal that describes Okafor in terms of his value to the Knicks as a draft pick. It lays out all his plusses and minuses, and sums up the pros and cons well. Looks like they're going to review other top prospects, too. http://www.wsj.com/articles/should-jahl ... is+herring

[BeagleBoss]

There is a good article in the Wall St. Journal that describes Okafor in terms of his value to the Knicks as a draft pick. It lays out all his plusses and minuses, and sums up the pros and cons well. Looks like they're going to review other top prospects, too. http://www.wsj.com/articles/should-jahl ... is+herring

Excellent and very fair.

[newyorker4ever]

There is a good article in the Wall St. Journal that describes Okafor in terms of his value to the Knicks as a draft pick. It lays out all his plusses and minuses, and sums up the pros and cons well. Looks like they're going to review other top prospects, too. http://www.wsj.com/articles/should-jahl ... is+herring

It says the article is unavailable.

[Fat Kat]

There is a good article in the Wall St. Journal that describes Okafor in terms of his value to the Knicks as a draft pick. It lays out all his plusses and minuses, and sums up the pros and cons well. Looks like they're going to review other top prospects, too. http://www.wsj.com/articles/should-jahl ... is+herring

It says the article is unavailable.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/should-jahl ... is+herring

[riter]

There is a good article in the Wall St. Journal that describes Okafor in terms of his value to the Knicks as a draft pick. It lays out all his plusses and minuses, and sums up the pros and cons well. Looks like they're going to review other top prospects, too. http://www.wsj.com/articles/should-jahl ... is+herring

It says the article is unavailable.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/should-jahl ... is+herring

"the Bad...
Shooting(33% outside of 12 feet/50% free throws)
defensive awareness
athletism
gullible on defense
block % is low for a big man
struggles (defensively) on perimeter

How is this guy a #1 pick---but more importantly---how is he a fit for the Knicks?

this is why I think the Embiid trade has legs///Okafur may fit better next to Noel who is a beast. I don't want Okafur in a Knicks uni.

[newyorker4ever]

There is a good article in the Wall St. Journal that describes Okafor in terms of his value to the Knicks as a draft pick. It lays out all his plusses and minuses, and sums up the pros and cons well. Looks like they're going to review other top prospects, too. http://www.wsj.com/articles/should-jahl ... is+herring

It says the article is unavailable.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/should-jahl ... is+herring

Thanks i got it with this link. It's really not anything we didn't already know even though it's nice to see it all detailed out. The thing about what these college kids can or can't do as young kids coming out of college and going to the NBA is that they still have so much room to learn to get better at whatever they aren't that good at now and there's really no telling which ones will put the work in to get better at those things. I can name countless kids that came out of college that couldn't shoot very good but got better because they put the work in and the same goes for playing defense and rebounding or whatever it is. Amare had absolutely no post game what so ever so what he did was hire H.Olajuwon and it had a tremendous effect on his post game and any of you Knicks fans that paid attention to it knows that's true. So which of these kids will understand that just because you made it to the NBA doesn't mean the work stops and wants to put in the grind to get better because not all of them do??

[And100]

It says the article is unavailable.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/should-jahl ... is+herring

"the Bad...
Shooting(33% outside of 12 feet/50% free throws)
defensive awareness
athletism
gullible on defense
block % is low for a big man
struggles (defensively) on perimeter

How is this guy a #1 pick---but more importantly---how is he a fit for the Knicks?

this is why I think the Embiid trade has legs///Okafur may fit better next to Noel who is a beast. I don't want Okafur in a Knicks uni.

Because the draft is relative to whomever else is available. EVERY eligible player is going to have a bad category.

Weaknesses: Embiid had trouble staying on the floor, either due to injuries or foul trouble. In a total of 28 games at KU, he played fewer than 20 minutes 10 times and more than 30 minutes only three times … Questionable durability – this past season, he missed one game (Feb. 15) due to a knee injury, played in the four following games, and then was shut down for the rest of the year due to a stress fracture in his lower back. He also dealt with lower back issues as a senior in high school … Averaged a whopping 5.9 fouls per 40 minutes at KU … Lacks both offensive and defensive awareness … Averaged 4.2 turnovers per 40 minutes at KU … Defensively, he frequently focuses too much on the ball and loses track of his man … Was at times pushed off the block by bigger centers … Seems to get frustrated when not heavily involved in the offense or not making his shots. At those times, his play appears to be a bit lackadaisical …

[F N 11]

Not a ball-stopper: Despite scoring 18 points a night, Okafor is mindful about when and where he uses his dribble, if at all. According to SportVU player-tracking technology, he holds the ball for just two seconds per touch. That means he’s getting rid of the ball about 20% quicker than ex-Knick Amar’e Stoudemire, who often got stripped by double-teams.

IM SOLD

[god shammgod]

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[F N 11]

Is towns anything like Anthony Davis?

[riter]

Because the draft is relative to whomever else is available. EVERY eligible player is going to have a bad category.

what point does this generic statement make? ofcourse every player has a bad category. You can find weakness with Duncan's game.
you base your choice on the strengths and weaknesses---who thinks the knicks need a Center who can't D up?

[F N 11]

I hate the facts there is no clear cut must have top pics. Knicks cannot blow this one lol

[And100]

Because the draft is relative to whomever else is available. EVERY eligible player is going to have a bad category.

what point does this generic statement make? ofcourse every player has a bad category. You can find weakness with Duncan's game.
you base your choice on the strengths and weaknesses---who thinks the knicks need a Center who can't D up?

You asked how's he's the #1 pick. The answer is because most analyists believe he's better than everyone else eligible in the 2015 draft.

[riter]

Because the draft is relative to whomever else is available. EVERY eligible player is going to have a bad category.

what point does this generic statement make? ofcourse every player has a bad category. You can find weakness with Duncan's game.
you base your choice on the strengths and weaknesses---who thinks the knicks need a Center who can't D up?

You asked how's he's the #1 pick. The answer is because most analyists believe he's better than everyone else eligible in the 2015 draft.

I don't care what the analyists opionions are. everyone has opinions. I'm interested in the reasoning behind their opinions.
I don't buy the argument that a flawed player like Okofur (even if he is a stud on offense)is that much of lock over say a more complete but less accomplished player like Towns --for instance.
In a nutshell--their arguments---to me atleast---just don't support the conclusion that Okafur is the best in the draft.
He's too flawed(at least for the franchise player we need) even by their own reasoning.