[Camelo Thread Part 16] - Denver wants what?! p58

[Subway Token]

Chandler is a better defender by a pretty huge margin, and is equal or better as an offensive player.

That is just flat out wrong on every single point. How is possible that anyone still thinks this?

Is it possible for you to take your homer shades off? Gallinari shoots threes and gets to the line. That's really his scoring game. He can't post, his midrange leaves a lot to be desired. Chandler does it all. Sure he's been slumping hard, but before then he was BALLIN. Money midrange, decent post game, mediocre but improved three point...

He can also gaurd every position on the floor. He even held his own on a few possessions guarding centers (thanks mike!). He's much stronger and much more athletic, which allows him to swat more shots, stay in front of his man, and more.

[moocow007]

The longer this plays out, the more likely this is gonna blow up in our face. Unless Dolan & Kroenke have made a deal already & there just letting this play out til the dead line

Yeah there is the danger that Walsh over thinks this and chinces a lil too much but what are you going to do? All we can do is keep your finger crossed.

[vallen]

at the end of the day im not sure whos going to have the best career. but arguing between Gallo and Wil is pointless, You guys have your preferences. its to close to call. its not like your arguing Jordan vs Rick Brunson...

we all know where you guys stand, now can we not make this another versus thread...

[putiger78]

Chandler is a better defender by a pretty huge margin, and is equal or better as an offensive player.

That is just flat out wrong on every single point. How is possible that anyone still thinks this?

Is it possible for you to take your homer shades off? Gallinari shoots threes and gets to the line. That's really his scoring game. He can't post, his midrange leaves a lot to be desired. Chandler does it all. Sure he's been slumping hard, but before then he was BALLIN. Money midrange, decent post game, mediocre but improved three point...

He can also gaurd every position on the floor. He even held his own on a few possessions guarding centers (thanks mike!). He's much stronger and much more athletic, which allows him to swat more shots, stay in front of his man, and more.

Gallo and Chandler have much different offensive games, so i can live with your assessment that Chandler is a better overall offensive player, not that I totally agree (I do agree he can score in more ways). But other than blocking shots, I don't see how anyone who watches the game can consider Chandler a better defensive player, especially as an on the ball defender.

[macman411]

Chandler is a better defender by a pretty huge margin, and is equal or better as an offensive player.

That is just flat out wrong on every single point. How is possible that anyone still thinks this?

Is it possible for you to take your homer shades off? Gallinari shoots threes and gets to the line. That's really his scoring game. He can't post, his midrange leaves a lot to be desired. Chandler does it all. Sure he's been slumping hard, but before then he was BALLIN. Money midrange, decent post game, mediocre but improved three point...

He can also gaurd every position on the floor. He even held his own on a few possessions guarding centers (thanks mike!). He's much stronger and much more athletic, which allows him to swat more shots, stay in front of his man, and more.

Chandler is a decently talented player but hes way too weak minded. Hes a guy thats made for a losing team. We would never be able to count on him having a big playoff series agianst the top flight teams. He has one bad game and starts to loses all his confidence. Look hows hes handling all these trade talks. I cant stand his shyness and lack of swagger. There is a big difference between cool, calm and collect and flatout scared to show emotion. I would take Gallo anyday of the week. Look at the difference between a guy like Melo and a guy like Chandler. Melo has that killer insticnt and has all the confidence and swag in the world. You never have to worry about Melo,s mindset.

[BLACKFEET 2010]

Screamin' A. (on Mike & Mike) just said the Knick deal (with Minnie involving AR, Chandler and Brewer) was "closer" than the Net deal ever was. He said none of this is "making sense". He sounded like he rolled outta bed so take that for what it's worth. I hope this really doesn't go all the way to the deadline. It's ruining my life!

[Jitpal]

Screamin' A. (on Mike & Mike) just said the Knick deal (with Minnie involving AR, Chandler and Brewer) was "closer" than the Net deal ever was. He said none of this is "making sense". He sounded like he rolled outta bed so take that for what it's worth. I hope this really doesn't go all the way to the deadline. It's ruining my life!

Of course it's closer. Melo would never play there. He wants to play here. 2 of the 3 parties like this deal. Only 1 of the 3 parties liked the Nets deal. The 3 parties being Melo, Denver and New York/New Jersey. -Jitpal

[Chislic]

This is not a who's better post, (Gallo/Fields) but rather my strategic point of view... and something I feel gets overlooked in the discussion on this board.

Fields is our starting SG AND our 2nd best rebounder on a team that ranks 19th overall in rebounds in the league. Trading Chandler AND Gallinari makes more sense to me. Both guys play the same position (same as Carmelo as well), we loose less rebounding and only one starter.

Who knows what we'll get in return, but it would be devastating to loose our 2nd and 3rd best rebounders.

RPG

8.6 - (PF/C) Amar'eStoudemire
7.2 - (SG) Landry Fields
5.9 - (SF) Wison Chandler <
4.6 - (SF) Danilo Gallinari <
3.6 - (PG) Raymond Felton

7.7 - (SF) Carmelo Anthony

Fields had the best Defensive Rebound Percentage (20.1%) of any Knick who plays in the regular rotation, including Amar’e Stoudemire. Stoudemire is second at 19.5%.

Fields’ DReb% is not only outstanding for a guard, but it would be a very good mark even for a big man. If he were one percentage point higher at 21.1%, he would crack the Top-20 in the NBA. None of the Top-20 is shorter than 6-foot-9 and all of them are either centers or power forwards, except for Josh Smith and Lamar Odom, who play both forward positions.

This has been a crucial – and completely unexpected – contribution to the Knicks, who are not a good rebounding team as a whole and who would be in even worse shape without Fields.

[BigUgly]

SO some of you will still complain if we give up Gallo and Chandler plus the trash for Melo ????
I will complian if we dont. After last night i fear Denver may hold on to him

[kosmovitelli]

Screamin' A. (on Mike & Mike) just said the Knick deal (with Minnie involving AR, Chandler and Brewer) was "closer" than the Net deal ever was. He said none of this is "making sense". He sounded like he rolled outta bed so take that for what it's worth. I hope this really doesn't go all the way to the deadline. It's ruining my life!

The Nets deal went nowhere because Nuggets and Nets never agreed on a package and Melo never discussed an extension with the Nets. Considering all that, it's not difficult for a Knicks deal to be closer than the Nets deal ever was !

About the deadline I'd be surprised if a trade is consumated before the trade deadline. The Nuggets have absolutely no incentive to make a trade before the february 24th deadline because they know the Knicks reported offer (if true) will still be there in two weeks. The Nuggets may pull the trigger sooner only if the Timberwolves threaten to use their cap space (on other players) and urge them to make a decision asap if they really want to fall under the luxury tax level.

[knicks742]

Screamin' A. (on Mike & Mike) just said the Knick deal (with Minnie involving AR, Chandler and Brewer) was "closer" than the Net deal ever was. He said none of this is "making sense". He sounded like he rolled outta bed so take that for what it's worth. I hope this really doesn't go all the way to the deadline. It's ruining my life!

The Nets deal went nowhere because Nuggets and Nets never agreed on a package and Melo never discussed an extension with the Nets. Considering all that, it's not difficult for a Knicks deal to be closer than the Nets deal ever was !

About the deadline I'd be surprised if a trade is consumated before the trade deadline. The Nuggets have absolutely no incentive to make a trade before the february 24th deadline because they know the Knicks reported offer (if true) will still be there in two weeks. The Nuggets may pull the trigger sooner only if the Timberwolves threaten to use their cap space (on other players) and urge them to make a decision asap if they really want to fall under the luxury tax level.

Yup. There are also 20 million reasons why our deal is not as sucky as some would like the fans to believe. I am yet to see one article fully evaluating the deal instead of just looking at the basketball players and saying "OMGZ Melo is better than Chandler, this is robbery".

[Jitpal]

Screamin' A. (on Mike & Mike) just said the Knick deal (with Minnie involving AR, Chandler and Brewer) was "closer" than the Net deal ever was. He said none of this is "making sense". He sounded like he rolled outta bed so take that for what it's worth. I hope this really doesn't go all the way to the deadline. It's ruining my life!

The Nets deal went nowhere because Nuggets and Nets never agreed on a package and Melo never discussed an extension with the Nets. Considering all that, it's not difficult for a Knicks deal to be closer than the Nets deal ever was !

About the deadline I'd be surprised if a trade is consumated before the trade deadline. The Nuggets have absolutely no incentive to make a trade before the february 24th deadline because they know the Knicks reported offer (if true) will still be there in two weeks. The Nuggets may pull the trigger sooner only if the Timberwolves threaten to use their cap space (on other players) and urge them to make a decision asap if they really want to fall under the luxury tax level.

You know, I was thinking about that the other day. The T-Wolves could easily put a hard line timetable down for the Nuggets and this way the Knicks wouldn't lose any leverage if this drags out any longer. I wouldn't be surprised if the leaked comments by Kahn the other day were referencing that sort of thing. As I mentioned yesterday, since the deal was first reported, there has been nothing. No leaks of any kind. If there were issues, one team or the other would be leaking info to try and gain leverage. Right now, it's just guys speculating without any new info. That's a good sign for these negotiations. -Jitpal

[Huey Freeman]

The truth of the matter is this folks. If we did get carmelo, any player we dont lose in the process will be dangled to the hornets. Or flat out renounced for paul. Dont get attached.

+1

You have to get TOP quality players while Amare is in his prime, f*ck around and it someone swoops in and picks Melo off which is not worth keping Landry Fields and the many other opportunities that will fall in place after NYK has multiple All-Stars in the starting line-up.

When I look at the past recent Championship teams I see ALL of them, sans SAS, didn't have that many players that were drafted by that team that were really THAT instrumental to the point that success of those rings depended on them. Yeah they contributed but were not the main reason to sway the team's structure. And IMHO no homegrown player on THIS team can even be in the same conversation as DWade, Kobe, Paul Pierce potential (yes, even PP who is very CRAFTY & smart). Believe or not when you have a strong crew with multiple all-stars you can get role players that want to come to your team; good scouting for the right trades will also be needed and this is where Warkentien will earn his money.

I like Landry as a player but if we get Melo and position ourselves to secure another good player then THAT is what going to give NYK a better chance to beat Miami and to come out of the East. And I don't care what anyone says, you have to assemble a team that is going to take down LeBron and the Heat. Melo can go head to head with LBJ....and win/neutralize that match up (he's done it before). LeBron will have to spend the majority of his energy on defense. This system does not stress defense and offense is considered the means to overcome that, right? So if Amar'e in foul trouble there is no proven and consistent weapon to pick up the slack. IF this system had great defensive schemes then we can at least battle until our shots start to fall, but we do not.

IF THERE IS ANY TRUTH THAT DEN wants Landry and Gallo and those two are holding up the deal then barring any major injuries to the Heat (and even CHI when they're at FULL strength) NYK has a very slim chance in coming out of the East in Amare's prime. Yeah, we can wait until 2012 and take a CHANCE on signing CP3/D12 and let another team make moves to assemble a good core and watch them go there. Take the sure thing now (again, if this deal is legit) and build from there.

[I_Love_NYK]

Is Minnesota giving up it's lottery pick or it's pick owed by Utah.

Minnesota's lottery pick is owed to LA Clippers but (top 10 protected in 2011)
Utah's 1st round pick is owed to Minnesota but (top 16 protected in 2011)

[Jitpal]

Ric Bucher is about to be in Mike and Mike after the break to talk Melo. Doubt anything new but let's see. -Jitpal

[nytonm]

SO some of you will still complain if we give up Gallo and Chandler plus the trash for Melo ????
I will complian if we dont. After last night i fear Denver may hold on to him

Good. We want them to hold on to him. Then we can just sign him next year.

And did anyone here ric bucher on espn? He says the Nuggs want Mozgov, Feilds, Chandler, Gallo and picks... We're not getting anywhere with that team. Let them end up like Cleveland.

[knicks9784]

SO some of you will still complain if we give up Gallo and Chandler plus the trash for Melo ????
I will complian if we dont. After last night i fear Denver may hold on to him

Good. We want them to hold on to him. Then we can just sign him next year.

And did anyone here ric bucher on espn? He says the Nuggs want Mozgov, Feilds, Chandler, Gallo and picks... We're not getting anywhere with that team. Let them end up like Cleveland.

i didnt see that, but if thats what they're asking for it's comical. they basically asked for our entire starting lineup on some nights. if denver actually proposed this im sure donnie didnt even dignify it with a response.

[I_Love_NYK]

I'm willing to give up 2 of the 3 but not all 3. I'd rather take my chances in summer of 2011 if we had to give up all 3. Like what Stephen A. Smith said, Chandler, Fields and Gallinari are good 3rd star players but they cannot be the 2nd guy to a winning team.

[knicks742]

People shouldn't overreact. Denver is doing negotiating 101. They are asking for everything so when they negotiate they can get 2 out of the 3 and it looks like a good deal but that's really what they know they are after. Even if they really were holding a hard line, we know Donnie is not doing that trade so nothing to worry about.

[Huey Freeman]

SO some of you will still complain if we give up Gallo and Chandler plus the trash for Melo ????
I will complian if we dont. After last night i fear Denver may hold on to him

Good. We want them to hold on to him. Then we can just sign him next year.

And did anyone here ric bucher on espn? He says the Nuggs want Mozgov, Feilds, Chandler, Gallo and picks... We're not getting anywhere with that team. Let them end up like Cleveland.

#1 - If this is true, and I don't believe it is, then I'm sure DEN is countering in which they would come down from that request the morning of February 24th. Also, I'm sure Bucher is including Moz per his recent good play.

#2 - I would think LONG and hard in giving all of that up if NYK gets Melo AND NeNe + 2nd round pick. UNLESS Amare & Melo KNOW 100% inside secret agreement (ala LeBron, DWade, CBosh) that CP3 was coming 2012.

#3- Bucher doesn't seem as "in the inner circle" as other reporters who are stating that its just 2 of the 3.