another Lin thread filled with no useful information #6

[Falstaffxx]

Shumpert has a long, long way to go before he can contribute to a winning team on the offensive end in the NBA. I love his defense, intensity, and swagger--but he's a Tony Allen, a role player.

I don't want to trash the kid, but to suggest that he showed anything remotely close to what Lin showed, would be, well, stupid. I'd honestly be surprised if he ever does.

What were you watching?

Shumpert deferred to the vets a lot as a rookie, offensively..He knew as a rookie, as to how that team was constructed, his job was to defend, hustle and facilitate rather than try to outshoot his team.. He has a lot of offensive skills to boot. Definitely a future 15-20 point scorer in this league.

Come on, Shumpert was good, and if he recovers fully from injury he'll be a good player. But his offensive struggles weren't because of "deferring," it's because his offensive skills aren't there yet.

[K_ick_God]

Jared Zwerling: Someone I spoke with who works with a #Knicks player said that Lin could've said #Knicks and no other team early on. But he tested market.

Show me a player that doesn't try to get his biggest payday?

Utter nonsense.

JR?

And lets be real, if Lin wanted to be back he could have worked something out... He didn't simply get his value. He got the most he could get. There's a little bit of a difference to me.. Sounds like a player trying to get the most he can before he's defined

Trying to get a big payday and failing to do so is not the same as not trying.

WTF.

[Synciere]

Jared Zwerling ‏@JaredZwerling
Sorry to say but it's looking more & more likely the #Knicks will not match #JeremyLin. Hearing offer "too high/tax" & "what has he proved?"

19% stock rise at the height of Linsanity.

Guess thats not enough

Lin would have to make the franchise 20 million a year to justify his contract. The TV deal has already been locked in and can't be renegotiated at this point. Even if Lin leaves, the Knicks are going to continue to make money off of him because that TV deal was negotiated post-Linsanity. The Knicks just can't make 20 million a year off of him. His salary would be 25 million over three years with a possible 43 million tax hit. That's 68 million right there. I use the 43 as a figure because the highest we've seen reported. He'd have to generate at least 60-70 million just to break even. And to those who say it's not his contract causing the tax I say it's very simple. Don't match and you don't have to pay that. Match and you do. He might not be worth that much off the court, but if we could break even financially, wouldn't Lin be worth it for his basketball production?

Only assumption that can be made if we don't sign Lin is that we'd end up losing money on the deal.

[sol537]

Rockets fan from last thread:

Rockets fan here. We've been talking on Rockets boards and we figured out that Morey planned out stealing Lin from you guys by ramping up the offer sheet from the start. He didn't resign our starting pg, Dragic, and he traded our backup, Lowry, for a draft pick. This was after the Knicks had let it be known that they would match any offer for Lin, so obviously he had his plan in place from now. He knew that the Knicks planned to match any offersheet, so he purposefully negotiated the first one low. This caused the Knicks to make moves with the assumption of a 9mil poison pill in year 3. They signed Novak and Kidd to 3 year deals, and the Rockets even traded them Camby--on a 3 year deal. Only after they were done making moves did Morey ramp up the offer sheet to the dramatically higher 15mil in the third year. The Knicks had not planned for this, and now they had already committed salary, and could no longer match. Had the 15mil poison pill been offered from the start, the Knicks could have still matched, but Morey fooled them.
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That's evil genius style.

If that is all true than I have to hand it to Morey. That would be playing this off season like people play chess.

But... what if we match?

[K_ick_God]

This is false hope. He's gone.

[snadler]

Was listening to Kay on the radio when his show began and he simply said that with all of his sources and contacts at msg not one person at msg has made a decision yet, and not one person from msg is letting anyone know what their plans are and if they do they are risking their job, so he flat out said that every source is not in tune with what is really going on at msg..

[ibraheim718]

because they lost $46M in '07 that means they want to continue paying the luxury tax?

They didn't lose... they chose to pay that tax for a losing product. Why not choose to pay now for a winner?

Do you want me to post how much money the knicks made a year ago?

[j4remi]

I just want Lin back.

The future without him looks bad. He's someone you can watch develop at least. Now we have an old team with not assets for the future and our only young player is Shump who's coming off of a bad injury.

This team will make the playoff without Lin but I think Lin can be that guy that makes us better if he preforms. We need to take that risk.

I don't like how Lin handled this, or what Melo and JR commented. These guys are all douchebags but from a basketball point of view we need them all to contend.

I absolutely agree with everything here except that the future looks bad. I think the future looks better with Lin, but we clear so much cap space in 3 years that we can restart and rebuild there (and we'll finally be looking at draft picks again too)...so my thinking is, with Lin the future looks great. Without Lin, the future is more uncertain but there's still a lot to look up to.

[MKCATL]

Any chance we agreed not to Match so they would deal us Camby?

[kosmovitelli]

Win.

Gonna state my position on the whole thing, again. Because I am an optimist, I think we bring match. Carry on.

matchman will play PG for the Knicks ? I thought he was in Hong-Kong or some place like that ?

[Thugger HBC]

Lin was better than Shumpert by a long shot last year. Shumpert was good, Lin was an impact player.

Shumpert has a long, long way to go before he can contribute to a winning team on the offensive end in the NBA. I love his defense, intensity, and swagger--but he's a Tony Allen, a role player.

I don't want to trash the kid, but to suggest that he showed anything remotely close to what Lin showed, would be, well, stupid. I'd honestly be surprised if he ever does.

What were you watching?

Shumpert deferred to the vets a lot as a rookie, offensively..He knew as a rookie, as to how that team was constructed, his job was to defend, hustle and facilitate rather than try to outshoot his team.. He has a lot of offensive skills to boot. Definitely a future 15-20 point scorer in this league.

I don't think either player deferred.

Lin's best asset is scoring in iso's.

Shumpert seemed to have to be told not to shoot so much, then actually stopped shooting to a point where he should have.

Even in his first game shumpert wasn't trigger shy.

[god shammgod]

The fact that we threw in a second-round pick shows you that Lin is gone.

this takes the fing cake

Signs they had to make sure this deal got done. Ask yourself why. You need another 2 more than a 1 unless you are losing Lin.

kidd can play the 2. we got jr. shump eventually. i'm just hoping that the front office realized we need as much playmaking as we can get.

[Jay10]

because they lost $46M in '07 that means they want to continue paying the luxury tax?

They didn't lose... they chose to pay that tax for a losing product. Why not choose to pay now for a winner?

you do realize that $46M would be higher with the new CBA rules on the luxury tax?

[stevieg987]

Jared Zwerling: Someone I spoke with who works with a #Knicks player said that Lin could've said #Knicks and no other team early on. But he tested market.

Show me a player that doesn't try to get his biggest payday?

Utter nonsense.

KG we invited Felton to our 4th of July bbq. Told him we want him. He blabbed he was coming here.

We refuse to negotiate with Lin. Tell him to set market price. Leak that we'll match anything. He gets exactly the offer expected; we have a change of heart.

Connect the dots. We were looking for any reason to not re-sign Lin, and Felton was, after Nash, our guy the whole time.

[howe070523]

Jared Zwerling ‏@JaredZwerling
Sorry to say but it's looking more & more likely the #Knicks will not match #JeremyLin. Hearing offer "too high/tax" & "what has he proved?"

19% stock rise at the height of Linsanity.

Guess thats not enough

if tax too high why they sign novak kidd camby to long deals b4 lin? makes no sense

One they were tricked by Morey's initial offer(not on paper though)
Then it was never about the money, Dolan is simply butt hurt because Hou and Lin raised the offersheet, guess what? This is what happens when you try to lowball a player then tell him to find the market value.

Dolan needs to suck it up and match.

[god shammgod]

Was listening to Kay on the radio when his show began and he simply said that with all of his sources and contacts at msg not one person at msg has made a decision yet, and not one person from msg is letting anyone know what their plans are and if they do they are risking their job, so he flat out said that every source is not in tune with what is really going on at msg..

probably the truth.

[BayareaKnicks]

If there was a number the Knicks wouldn't match, why didn't they tell him. So at least he had a choice to make. Just dont get the inner workings of Knicks FO

[johnnywishbone]

I feel like when Money Mayweather was telling people that he we only talking smack about Lin because NBA players were afraid to do so and they were coming to him instead - those players could have been guys on our team.

[MKCATL]

I just want Lin back.

The future without him looks bad. He's someone you can watch develop at least. Now we have an old team with not assets for the future and our only young player is Shump who's coming off of a bad injury.

This team will make the playoff without Lin but I think Lin can be that guy that makes us better if he preforms. We need to take that risk.

I don't like how Lin handled this, or what Melo and JR commented. These guys are all douchebags but from a basketball point of view we need them all to contend.

I absolutely agree with everything here except that the future looks bad. I think the future looks better with Lin, but we clear so much cap space in 3 years that we can restart and rebuild there (and we'll finally be looking at draft picks again too)...so my thinking is, with Lin the future looks great. Without Lin, the future is more uncertain but there's still a lot to look up to.

I think it's we want our guy, Lin was ours unlike Melo and Amare, We found him and gave us fans hope of a bright future and to just have it taken away hurts.

[Red Vines]

We refuse to negotiate with Lin. Tell him to set market price. Leak that we'll match anything. He gets exactly the offer expected; we have a change of heart.

Is that right? Lin got the offer we expected and just decided to go in a different direction?