MeloDrama Part VI

[xsaberx]

anyone just hear collins on the herd lol .. rewind a few mn back 11:45:50

http://espn.go.com/espnradio/newyork/play

Jesus christ with this clickbait posting style.

I listened and didn't hear anything new...

"why would Melo go to Lakers? He'd be in quicksand tied to an aging overpaid team with no flexibility, while the Knicks are wide open next year."

[mpharris36]

Costly as in?

I can't imagine what any dealbreaker would be?

2018 first? Done

Early? Done.

I trade timmy before I trade either of the above listed. He probably has more value than both those assets too so you might not have to give up much more.

[K_ick_God]

Why not wait until we see if they can ACTUALLY trade Stat first.

I'm highly dubious.

depending on what you want to give up, it's possible. it might be more costly then people think though.

Costly as in?

I can't imagine what any dealbreaker would be?

2018 first? Done

Early? Done.

Yeah you empty the chamber (or at least you have to be willing to, while holding out hope of saving an asset or two) once you have a commitment from LeBron, with Melo aboard of course.

[god shammgod]

Why not wait until we see if they can ACTUALLY trade Stat first.

I'm highly dubious.

depending on what you want to give up, it's possible. it might be more costly then people think though.

Costly as in?

I can't imagine what any dealbreaker would be?

2018 first? Done

Early? Done.

i'm not gonna guess what they want but yes, it could be multiple assets. they supposedly are gonna get a 1st round pick to take lin, you'll have to beat that offer. also, amare's salary is larger and he's not a young player who you might want to keep.

[Knicks_Blood10]

I think Lebron would try and bring Melo to Cleveland with him also.

Which could only happen with a sign and trade.

I'd take wiggins to start a rebuild.

But would you really see Melo playing for clev?

Lala ain't living in Cleveland!

Say goodbye to your brand and the legacy you truly desire Melo!

Melo, you now become #1 on the mercenary list above Lebron when it comes to bailing on your home team, only Lebron returned and used your dumb ass to bring home a championship!

CAN YOU SAY..........BURNING MELO JERSEYS ON ESPN, CNN, ETC.!!!!!

[mpharris36]

Riley probably doing everything in his power to get Bosh out of town.

If Bosh leaves he maybe can bring in Melo and make LeBron happy.

If Bosh stays. Melo to NY and LeBron to CLE and Miami is terrible for the next 5 years.

Riley doesn't have to do anything besides not offer Bosh a contract.

Not that hard.

yeah but if told them to opt out so they could sign other players imagine if they brought back LeBron and Wade. That would be a huge d*ck move not to bring back Bosh. Huge d*ck move.

[BowlRips]

What about moving Shumpert and Amare for Thad Young.
Thad makes $9mil this year and $9.5 with a player option, that he's sure to reject.
Thad will fit the Lamar Odom role on this team.
Saving about $14 mil in salary it will allow the Knicks to up their offer on Paul to the MLE of $5 mil a year.

Pau
Thad
Melo
Hardaway
Calderon

[suicidedeuce]

I'm sure you're aware the KNicks don't have a first round pick in 2016.

Just for fun, here's the last 5 years worth of picks #2-5. How many of these players are you feeling great about being a franchise type players (again, keeping in mind the Knicks didn't pick on this year and won't be able to pick one in 2016.

Completely on point. People here seem to think that "rebuilding" and "creating cap space" and "tanking" are sure-fire ways to succeed in this league. Unfortunately, it seldom works out that way.

I'd rather go to bat in Free Agency 2015 WITH a legitimate #1 option in Carmelo Anthony as part of the pitch.

There is no high probability success rate strategy in the NBA. If there were one, everyone would be doing it and thus automatically make it less successful. There are only a few meaningful free agents in the NBA just as there are only a few impactful rookies in each draft. Nothing has proven otherwise, and it's silly to think that anyone has the right formula. The only question is how do you ensure that you can surround the superstar talent with a meaningful roster of role players when you're able to secure one, hopefully two. The inability to field a substantially talented group of role players was a large part of our downfall during the Ewing era and will likely be the same for the Melo era without meaningful cap space flexibility and rookie contracts. The path from signing Melo to a max and fielding a substantial enough roster of talent around him given our limited assets and Melo's age is murky at best and pretty much entirely depends on having major cap space next summer and an aforementioned rare meaningful free agent that wants to accept that cap space, while retaining adequate talent to surround the stars. There is no room for error under that plan, hence the possibility of being stuck under a massive deadweight unmovable Melo contracts in a few years is extremely unappealing.

All reasonably accurate.

There is no clear, easy path. Each path is fraught with obstacles and difficulties.

This is when I remind myself, when I'm trying to evaluate what is the more realistic, likely option, that the KNicks are ALSO a business and not just a 'championship or bust' contraption.

The KNicks are likely going to choose the path that will result is higher attendance, higher ratings, and more postseason how dates, since every alternative is flawed.

[Rasho Brezec]

It's pointless giving up assets to unload Amare, just let him expire. We're not going anywhere this season.

[GONYK]

Riley probably doing everything in his power to get Bosh out of town.

If Bosh leaves he maybe can bring in Melo and make LeBron happy.

If Bosh stays. Melo to NY and LeBron to CLE and Miami is terrible for the next 5 years.

Riley doesn't have to do anything besides not offer Bosh a contract.

Not that hard.

yeah but if told them to opt out so they could sign other players imagine if they brought back LeBron and Wade. That would be a huge d*ck move not to bring back Bosh. Huge d*ck move.

When has that stopped Riley before?

[mpharris36]

it would probably be timmy over shump. shump needs to get paid soon.

I wouldn't mind that either. Send Timmy with Amare. Sign Gasol.

I actually still think Shumpert can be a better impact player of Timmy. Call me crazy but I still have hope for shumpert. Timmy defense is borderline the worst I have ever seen from a guard.

I agree. Even though Shump needs to get paid next year, I think that he is still the better overall player and one that fits better with Melo and whoever they get with added room.

I do hope that they have that impact player committed though before they move Shump or THJ though. I don't want to just give them away just to move Amare or even Bargs for that matter.

Of course, the Melo and Gasol moves or whoever else we would be brining in would pretty much have to be 100% complete to just throw away a decent young asset like Shump or Timmy to rid Amare. You would have to be ridding Amare to better use, not just ridding him for sh*ts and giggles.

[SelbyCobra]

I had a pre-sleep-but-drifting dream last night that Amar'e stayed healthy, played 25-30 mins a game, put up 15&6 on great shooting, and was traded to CLE at the deadline for Anthony Bennett.

[suicidedeuce]

What about moving Shumpert and Amare for Thad Young.
Thad makes $9mil this year and $9.5 with a player option, that he's sure to reject.
Thad will fit the Lamar Odom role on this team.
Saving about $14 mil in salary it will allow the Knicks to up their offer on Paul to the MLE of $5 mil a year.

Pau
Thad
Melo
Hardaway
Calderon

If I'm the Sixers, I try to dump Jason Ricardson first.

[god shammgod]

It's pointless giving up assets to unload Amare, just let him expire. We're not going anywhere this season.

i'm not sure how gasol become so important this off-season for everyone but it's seemingly not just us who think so.

[Capn'O]

It's pointless giving up assets to unload Amare, just let him expire. We're not going anywhere this season.

Pissing into the wind... but yeah, this.

[SelbyCobra]

It's pointless giving up assets to unload Amare, just let him expire. We're not going anywhere this season.

i'm not sure how gasol become so important this off-season for everyone but it's seemingly not just us who think so.

I really think posters here underrate him. Even with the injuries he's an incredibly valuable piece, especially to a system-style team.

[mpharris36]

It's pointless giving up assets to unload Amare, just let him expire. We're not going anywhere this season.

understood, however you land Pau this year. You have Calderon.

You would be more than the front runners for Marc next offseason. I'm sure that would be the long term plan thinking here. And you can't be opposed to be putting yourself into a situation to better position yourself for one of the better FA in 2015. We would be acquiring good smart high IQ basketball players to play alongside Melo.

That is how you build around him.

[VirginiaKnickFan]

It's pointless giving up assets to unload Amare, just let him expire. We're not going anywhere this season.

SAS himself said talks about trading Amare weren't serious, yet just back from his vacation he throws stuff at there and the media outlets already eat it up.

[liknicks7]

I think both Shump and Timmy will get moved if Phil is able to find some teams to wheel and deal with. JR is going to start and Ellington will give us a backup 3 and D guy off the bench at the sg position.

[Rasho Brezec]

It's pointless giving up assets to unload Amare, just let him expire. We're not going anywhere this season.

i'm not sure how gasol become so important this off-season for everyone but it's seemingly not just us who think so.

If this is about getting Pau to help us recruit Marc next year, that's a whole lot of things that have to go right. It's an overly complicated gamble. And from a basketball standpoint, he's declined a lot, most noticeably on defense. And he's going back to playing for Spain this offseason. He'll be dealing with injuries all season.