Is Kat really gonna be worse to watch than Randle?

BKlutch · Post #81 » by **BKlutch** » Fri Nov 3, 2023 3:23 pm

HarthorneWingo wrote:
thebuzzardman wrote:
Hes_On_Fire wrote:KAT > Randle but that's like comparing dog **** to donkey ****.

I stepped in some Randle today

That's good luck!

Really? I though that only happens if the foo shyts.

nykballa2k4 · Post #82 » by **nykballa2k4** » Fri Nov 3, 2023 9:23 pm

RHODEY wrote:
nykballa2k4 wrote:IMO the plan should be KAT and Randle while trading Mitch
One key problem with our offense is the combination of a) Mitch has no offensive game and b) randle can't make a quick lob pass.

If with either problem solved, we would increase our offense 10ppg.
Mitch and his offensive rebounding are way too important to this team. If you trade him for Kat you are signing on with team tank...and that might not be a bad thing. But seriously Randle and Towns together will make to want to scratch a chalk board

Randle to KAT is an upgrade, but I would argue that it makes us worse long term.

a) would Embiid want to play with KAT or would we be trading KAT for Embiid?

b) would we exhaust too many assets to then also move for an upgrade at wing?

c) what would that do to our financial flexibility going forward?

Robinson is great and all, but if we can't figure out how to make him at least Capella on offense, we are losing with him.

RHODEY · Post #83 » by **RHODEY** » Fri Nov 3, 2023 9:47 pm

nykballa2k4 wrote:
RHODEY wrote:
nykballa2k4 wrote:IMO the plan should be KAT and Randle while trading Mitch
One key problem with our offense is the combination of a) Mitch has no offensive game and b) randle can't make a quick lob pass.

If with either problem solved, we would increase our offense 10ppg.
Mitch and his offensive rebounding are way too important to this team. If you trade him for Kat you are signing on with team tank...and that might not be a bad thing. But seriously Randle and Towns together will make to want to scratch a chalk board

Randle to KAT is an upgrade, but I would argue that it makes us worse long term.

a) would Embiid want to play with KAT or would we be trading KAT for Embiid?

b) would we exhaust too many assets to then also move for an upgrade at wing?

c) what would that do to our financial flexibility going forward?

Robinson is great and all, but if we can't figure out how to make him at least Capella on offense, we are losing with him.

I would argue thats its not an upgrade... or if it is, its very marginal considering the horrible defense and softness. If we want shooting we might as well make a trade for Bogdonvic from Detroit. No need to give up 60 million in assets.

TKKnicks1 · Post #84 » by **TKKnicks1** » Fri Nov 3, 2023 10:51 pm

KAT could win us some playoff games alone. I dont think we can ever say that for Randle. I know his contract is horrendous but we would still have enough to get D. Mitchell in 2 years when he hits the market.

In the case that we dont trade Mitch a line up of:

Mitch / KAT / RJ / Mitchell / Brunson

is a title contender.

nykballa2k4 · Post #85 » by **nykballa2k4** » Fri Nov 3, 2023 11:33 pm

RHODEY wrote:
nykballa2k4 wrote:
RHODEY wrote: Mitch and his offensive rebounding are way too important to this team. If you trade him for Kat you are signing on with team tank...and that might not be a bad thing. But seriously Randle and Towns together will make to want to scratch a chalk board

Randle to KAT is an upgrade, but I would argue that it makes us worse long term.

a) would Embiid want to play with KAT or would we be trading KAT for Embiid?

b) would we exhaust too many assets to then also move for an upgrade at wing?

c) what would that do to our financial flexibility going forward?

Robinson is great and all, but if we can't figure out how to make him at least Capella on offense, we are losing with him.

I would argue thats its not an upgrade... or if it is, its very marginal considering the horrible defense and softness. If we want shooting we might as well make a trade for Bogdonvic from Detroit. No need to give up 60 million in assets.

We don't really need an upgrade in shooting from Randle. What I see and do not like is Randle beats his man and meets Mitch's defender and then Randle isn't able to pass it off effectively and obviously can't score over the bigger defender. Swapping Towns for Randle does nothing for this.

F N 11 · Post #86 » by **F N 11** » Sat Nov 4, 2023 12:14 am

Towns is like big man version of Brunson. It’s an improvement just his check sucks.

HighRyzer83 · Post #87 » by **HighRyzer83** » Sat Nov 4, 2023 2:26 am

Stop the cap Kat is Jordan compared to randle.
Sure he is overpaid, but he's a legitimate all-star whereas randle is a certified bum.

RHODEY · Post #88 » by **RHODEY** » Sat Nov 4, 2023 3:24 am

nykballa2k4 wrote:
RHODEY wrote:
nykballa2k4 wrote:
Randle to KAT is an upgrade, but I would argue that it makes us worse long term.

a) would Embiid want to play with KAT or would we be trading KAT for Embiid?

b) would we exhaust too many assets to then also move for an upgrade at wing?

c) what would that do to our financial flexibility going forward?

Robinson is great and all, but if we can't figure out how to make him at least Capella on offense, we are losing with him.

I would argue thats its not an upgrade... or if it is, its very marginal considering the horrible defense and softness. If we want shooting we might as well make a trade for Bogdonvic from Detroit. No need to give up 60 million in assets.

We don't really need an upgrade in shooting from Randle. What I see and do not like is Randle beats his man and meets Mitch's defender and then Randle isn't able to pass it off effectively and obviously can't score over the bigger defender. Swapping Towns for Randle does nothing for this.

We need an upgrade in shooting (25% from 3 :banghead:

), decision making, and attitude.

Jalen Bluntson · Post #89 » by **Jalen Bluntson** » Sat Nov 4, 2023 3:30 am

KAT for Randle and we would 4-2 at least right now.

Knicks Byke · Post #90 » by **Knicks Byke** » Sat Nov 4, 2023 5:00 am

the answer is simple my ****.

Zion.

Kidknick! · Post #91 » by **Kidknick!** » Sat Nov 4, 2023 9:44 am

Bro out here looking like Malik Rose on offense. Not on D because Malik at least tried.

nykballa2k4 · Post #92 » by **nykballa2k4** » Sat Nov 4, 2023 12:48 pm

RHODEY wrote:
nykballa2k4 wrote:
RHODEY wrote:
I would argue thats its not an upgrade... or if it is, its very marginal considering the horrible defense and softness. If we want shooting we might as well make a trade for Bogdonvic from Detroit. No need to give up 60 million in assets.

We don't really need an upgrade in shooting from Randle. What I see and do not like is Randle beats his man and meets Mitch's defender and then Randle isn't able to pass it off effectively and obviously can't score over the bigger defender. Swapping Towns for Randle does nothing for this.

We need an upgrade in shooting (25% from 3 ), decision making, and attitude.

LAst night I didn't see Randle force the offense, I didn't see him command the ball to take bad shots.

He played within the system last night. He played defense, got defensive boards, made hustle plays. Not mad at him.

We have too many of the same dude on the team right now and swapping Randle for KAT does nothing for that.

RHODEY · Post #93 » by **RHODEY** » Sat Nov 4, 2023 1:27 pm

nykballa2k4 wrote:
RHODEY wrote:
nykballa2k4 wrote:
We don't really need an upgrade in shooting from Randle. What I see and do not like is Randle beats his man and meets Mitch's defender and then Randle isn't able to pass it off effectively and obviously can't score over the bigger defender. Swapping Towns for Randle does nothing for this.

We need an upgrade in shooting (25% from 3 ), decision making, and attitude.

LAst night I didn't see Randle force the offense, I didn't see him command the ball to take bad shots.

He played within the system last night. He played defense, got defensive boards, made hustle plays. Not mad at him.

We have too many of the same dude on the team right now and swapping Randle for KAT does nothing for that.

He didn't force the offense because he lost all confidence in his shot.
BTW I do not want to swap Randle for Towns. I also agree we have too many similar players.

spree2kawhi · Post #94 » by **spree2kawhi** » Sat Nov 4, 2023 4:39 pm

iLLmatic860 wrote:Nobody wants kat. I know hes overpaid

But atleast he would be able to stretch the floor. Our shooting is embarrassing

I’m getting behind it. I mean, he’s easily better than Randle, he fits with Brunson, we’d add around them defensively and we’d contend. He’s much more consistent than Randle. He can play small ball center and he can play alongside Robinson. It’sa good trade to consider. Randle is more mobile, maybe they can even see him fit in better next to Rudy Gobert.

spree2kawhi · Post #95 » by **spree2kawhi** » Sat Nov 4, 2023 4:45 pm

nykballa2k4 wrote:
RHODEY wrote:
nykballa2k4 wrote:
Randle to KAT is an upgrade, but I would argue that it makes us worse long term.

a) would Embiid want to play with KAT or would we be trading KAT for Embiid?

b) would we exhaust too many assets to then also move for an upgrade at wing?

c) what would that do to our financial flexibility going forward?

Robinson is great and all, but if we can't figure out how to make him at least Capella on offense, we are losing with him.

I would argue thats its not an upgrade... or if it is, its very marginal considering the horrible defense and softness. If we want shooting we might as well make a trade for Bogdonvic from Detroit. No need to give up 60 million in assets.

We don't really need an upgrade in shooting from Randle. What I see and do not like is Randle beats his man and meets Mitch's defender and then Randle isn't able to pass it off effectively and obviously can't score over the bigger defender. Swapping Towns for Randle does nothing for this.

nykballa2k4 · Post #96 » by **nykballa2k4** » Sat Nov 4, 2023 4:55 pm

spree2kawhi wrote:
nykballa2k4 wrote:
RHODEY wrote:
I would argue thats its not an upgrade... or if it is, its very marginal considering the horrible defense and softness. If we want shooting we might as well make a trade for Bogdonvic from Detroit. No need to give up 60 million in assets.

We don't really need an upgrade in shooting from Randle. What I see and do not like is Randle beats his man and meets Mitch's defender and then Randle isn't able to pass it off effectively and obviously can't score over the bigger defender. Swapping Towns for Randle does nothing for this.

Randle isn't the problem. Right now we have Hart who is afraid to shoot and Mitch who can't shoot. Julius makes open 3s well enough though he is doing poorly so far this season (Towns has been at that same level). RJ seems to be hitting so that's a godsend. Having him and Grimes being weapons when left open will be great.

nykballa2k4 · Post #97 » by **nykballa2k4** » Sat Nov 4, 2023 4:56 pm

RHODEY wrote:
nykballa2k4 wrote:
RHODEY wrote:
We need an upgrade in shooting (25% from 3 ), decision making, and attitude.

LAst night I didn't see Randle force the offense, I didn't see him command the ball to take bad shots.

He played within the system last night. He played defense, got defensive boards, made hustle plays. Not mad at him.

We have too many of the same dude on the team right now and swapping Randle for KAT does nothing for that.
He didn't force the offense because he lost all confidence in his shot.
BTW I do not want to swap Randle for Towns. I also agree we have too many similar players.

Randle of two years ago would have been 2-8 down town and 3-20 midrange fadeaways

Iron Mantis · Post #98 » by **Iron Mantis** » Sat Nov 4, 2023 4:56 pm

nykballa2k4 wrote:
RHODEY wrote:
nykballa2k4 wrote:
Randle to KAT is an upgrade, but I would argue that it makes us worse long term.

a) would Embiid want to play with KAT or would we be trading KAT for Embiid?

b) would we exhaust too many assets to then also move for an upgrade at wing?

c) what would that do to our financial flexibility going forward?

Robinson is great and all, but if we can't figure out how to make him at least Capella on offense, we are losing with him.

I would argue thats its not an upgrade... or if it is, its very marginal considering the horrible defense and softness. If we want shooting we might as well make a trade for Bogdonvic from Detroit. No need to give up 60 million in assets.

We don't really need an upgrade in shooting from Randle. What I see and do not like is Randle beats his man and meets Mitch's defender and then Randle isn't able to pass it off effectively and obviously can't score over the bigger defender. Swapping Towns for Randle does nothing for this.

The idea is to play KAT at Center, make Mitch the backup, and pick up any random PJ Tucker to start at PF.

iLLmatic860 · Post #99 » by **iLLmatic860** » Sat Nov 4, 2023 4:57 pm

nykballa2k4 wrote:
spree2kawhi wrote:
nykballa2k4 wrote:
We don't really need an upgrade in shooting from Randle. What I see and do not like is Randle beats his man and meets Mitch's defender and then Randle isn't able to pass it off effectively and obviously can't score over the bigger defender. Swapping Towns for Randle does nothing for this.

Randle isn't the problem. Right now we have Hart who is afraid to shoot and Mitch who can't shoot. Julius makes open 3s well enough though he is doing poorly so far this season (Towns has been at that same level). RJ seems to be hitting so that's a godsend. Having him and Grimes being weapons when left open will be great.

Come playoff time. Do you really expect Randle to make open 3’s?

nykballa2k4 · Post #100 » by **nykballa2k4** » Sat Nov 4, 2023 4:58 pm

iLLmatic860 wrote:
nykballa2k4 wrote:
spree2kawhi wrote:

Randle isn't the problem. Right now we have Hart who is afraid to shoot and Mitch who can't shoot. Julius makes open 3s well enough though he is doing poorly so far this season (Towns has been at that same level). RJ seems to be hitting so that's a godsend. Having him and Grimes being weapons when left open will be great.

Come playoff time. Do you really expect Randle to make open 3’s?