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Re: How do we fix our defense? 

Post#81 » by spree2kawhi » Sun Dec 1, 2024 5:09 am

Jalen Bluntson wrote:Wait for our defenders to get healthy. Go from there.


Towns, Bridges, McBride, Hart and OG are all very solid defenders. Give this some time, wait for our defensive bigs to return and stop these threads in the meantime.
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Re: How do we fix our defense? 

Post#82 » by knicks94 » Sun Dec 1, 2024 8:03 am

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knicks94 wrote:I have Mikal Bridges at number 6 on my list of top 10 worst Knicks acquisitions of the last 20 years.

1. Chris Smith
2.Jerome James
3.Anthony Randolph
4, Darko Milicic
5.Cam Reddish.
6.Mikal Bridges
7.Eddy Curry
8.Joakim Noah
9.Elfrid Payton
10.Steve Francis


Wow only 20 games in and he is already over Eddy Curry lol

Mikals track record is way too good and he is way too young and healthy to think this is something more than just an extended acclimation period.

Of course we can not say that for 100% as nothing but Jesus is guaranteed for eternal life but man I aint ready to call him worse than Edy Curry just 20 games in either lol

Well of course my opinion of a certain player can change if said player begins to perform differently. For example I thought that Carlos Rodon was a top 5 worst Yankees signing until his 2024 performance. There was a time that I believed Eddy Curry was the future of the Knicks.

I get that it is not fair to compare a guy that has only played 20 games for the Knicks to some of the worst players in recent Knicks history, but the return on investment that we are currently getting puts Bridges in a class of his own. Having to wait more than a quarter of a season to get the production that we thought we'd get from him after giving up the package that we did does not sit well.
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Re: How do we fix our defense? 

Post#83 » by Galou » Sun Dec 1, 2024 9:57 am

I can't wait for Precious and Mitch to come back.
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Re: How do we fix our defense? 

Post#84 » by Adelheid » Sun Dec 1, 2024 10:29 am

i think mikal would be better off coming off the bench (for now), Lwt him get his mojo back.
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Re: How do we fix our defense? 

Post#85 » by spree2kawhi » Sun Dec 1, 2024 12:45 pm

Everybody relax.
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Re: How do we fix our defense? 

Post#86 » by KnixinSix » Sun Dec 1, 2024 1:15 pm

knicks94 wrote:
KnixinSix wrote:
knicks94 wrote:I have Mikal Bridges at number 6 on my list of top 10 worst Knicks acquisitions of the last 20 years.

1. Chris Smith
2.Jerome James
3.Anthony Randolph
4, Darko Milicic
5.Cam Reddish.
6.Mikal Bridges
7.Eddy Curry
8.Joakim Noah
9.Elfrid Payton
10.Steve Francis


Wow only 20 games in and he is already over Eddy Curry lol

Mikals track record is way too good and he is way too young and healthy to think this is something more than just an extended acclimation period.

Of course we can not say that for 100% as nothing but Jesus is guaranteed for eternal life but man I aint ready to call him worse than Edy Curry just 20 games in either lol

Well of course my opinion of a certain player can change if said player begins to perform differently. For example I thought that Carlos Rodon was a top 5 worst Yankees signing until his 2024 performance. There was a time that I believed Eddy Curry was the future of the Knicks.

I get that it is not fair to compare a guy that has only played 20 games for the Knicks to some of the worst players in recent Knicks history, but the return on investment that we are currently getting puts Bridges in a class of his own. Having to wait more than a quarter of a season to get the production that we thought we'd get from him after giving up the package that we did does not sit well.


Fair. I personally think this is an extended acclimation process but we will soon find out.

The likely reason behind the way he is playing doesn't add up to a guy just suddenly losing all his defensive abilty.
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Re: How do we fix our defense? 

Post#87 » by spree8 » Sun Dec 1, 2024 3:16 pm

Crazy coach guy posted this 3 weeks ago and it’s holding up vs the test of time. All about Thibs, inability to guard PnR, drop coverage, lack of switching, etc…

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Re: How do we fix our defense? 

Post#88 » by aggo » Sun Dec 1, 2024 5:44 pm

my gut


tells me because we have seen no Kat-sims lineups


is that thibs will at some point collect enough data and information to prove with no doubt that kat at the 5 wont work. it might take the whole season. but we will get there imo.
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Re: How do we fix our defense? 

Post#89 » by KnixinSix » Sun Dec 1, 2024 6:21 pm

aggo wrote:my gut


tells me because we have seen no Kat-sims lineups


is that thibs will at some point collect enough data and information to prove with no doubt that kat at the 5 wont work. it might take the whole season. but we will get there imo.


I have stated this on numerous occasions. KAT at 5 does invariably compromise the D but if you are only doing it part of the game that greatly mitigates the issue.

Instead of Sims who is a big fat zero out there you would have Mitch and Precious at the 5 for like 24 minutes a game.

This is one permutation that will ikely be in the range of what Thibs will try as Plan A....

15 minutes KAT off the court Mitch will play the 5 with 3-4 shooters at the other spots.
10 minutes KAT ON the court Precious will play the 4 with KAT at 5 but Precious playing 5 on D.
Other 20-23 minutes KAT ON the court Mitch/Precious will be out with KAT at 5

He will play more or less at 5 vs 4 on a matchup basis coupled with the ebb and flow of each game. Some nights he'll play a bit more at 4 but it will still be a significant amount of minutes at 5.
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Re: How do we fix our defense? 

Post#90 » by aggo » Mon Dec 2, 2024 6:30 pm

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Re: How do we fix our defense? 

Post#91 » by Woodsanity » Mon Dec 2, 2024 6:36 pm

knicks94 wrote:
KnixinSix wrote:
knicks94 wrote:I have Mikal Bridges at number 6 on my list of top 10 worst Knicks acquisitions of the last 20 years.

1. Chris Smith
2.Jerome James
3.Anthony Randolph
4, Darko Milicic
5.Cam Reddish.
6.Mikal Bridges
7.Eddy Curry
8.Joakim Noah
9.Elfrid Payton
10.Steve Francis


Wow only 20 games in and he is already over Eddy Curry lol

Mikals track record is way too good and he is way too young and healthy to think this is something more than just an extended acclimation period.

Of course we can not say that for 100% as nothing but Jesus is guaranteed for eternal life but man I aint ready to call him worse than Edy Curry just 20 games in either lol

Well of course my opinion of a certain player can change if said player begins to perform differently. For example I thought that Carlos Rodon was a top 5 worst Yankees signing until his 2024 performance. There was a time that I believed Eddy Curry was the future of the Knicks.

I get that it is not fair to compare a guy that has only played 20 games for the Knicks to some of the worst players in recent Knicks history, but the return on investment that we are currently getting puts Bridges in a class of his own. Having to wait more than a quarter of a season to get the production that we thought we'd get from him after giving up the package that we did does not sit well.

I think he will play better. It was already an overpay before his level of play went down. Its too much to give for essentially a super role player who now isnt even super.

Still I think its too much to compare him to Eddy Curry. :o
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Re: How do we fix our defense? 

Post#92 » by sol537 » Mon Dec 2, 2024 6:40 pm

KnixinSix wrote:
aggo wrote:my gut


tells me because we have seen no Kat-sims lineups


is that thibs will at some point collect enough data and information to prove with no doubt that kat at the 5 wont work. it might take the whole season. but we will get there imo.


I have stated this on numerous occasions. KAT at 5 does invariably compromise the D but if you are only doing it part of the game that greatly mitigates the issue.

Instead of Sims who is a big fat zero out there you would have Mitch and Precious at the 5 for like 24 minutes a game.

This is one permutation that will ikely be in the range of what Thibs will try as Plan A....

15 minutes KAT off the court Mitch will play the 5 with 3-4 shooters at the other spots.
10 minutes KAT ON the court Precious will play the 4 with KAT at 5 but Precious playing 5 on D.
Other 20-23 minutes KAT ON the court Mitch/Precious will be out with KAT at 5

He will play more or less at 5 vs 4 on a matchup basis coupled with the ebb and flow of each game. Some nights he'll play a bit more at 4 but it will still be a significant amount of minutes at 5.


I hope you're right but Thibs is pretty pre-fixed on his rotations before tip offs and rarely seems to budge.
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Re: How do we fix our defense? 

Post#93 » by KnixinSix » Mon Dec 2, 2024 6:54 pm

sol537 wrote:
KnixinSix wrote:
aggo wrote:my gut


tells me because we have seen no Kat-sims lineups


is that thibs will at some point collect enough data and information to prove with no doubt that kat at the 5 wont work. it might take the whole season. but we will get there imo.


I have stated this on numerous occasions. KAT at 5 does invariably compromise the D but if you are only doing it part of the game that greatly mitigates the issue.

Instead of Sims who is a big fat zero out there you would have Mitch and Precious at the 5 for like 24 minutes a game.

This is one permutation that will ikely be in the range of what Thibs will try as Plan A....

15 minutes KAT off the court Mitch will play the 5 with 3-4 shooters at the other spots.
10 minutes KAT ON the court Precious will play the 4 with KAT at 5 but Precious playing 5 on D.
Other 20-23 minutes KAT ON the court Mitch/Precious will be out with KAT at 5

He will play more or less at 5 vs 4 on a matchup basis coupled with the ebb and flow of each game. Some nights he'll play a bit more at 4 but it will still be a significant amount of minutes at 5.


I hope you're right but Thibs is pretty pre-fixed on his rotations before tip offs and rarely seems to budge.


He is rigid. But he is not blind rigid. He does have SOME in game flexiblity and has gotten a bit better in recent years.
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Re: How do we fix our defense? 

Post#94 » by aggo » Mon Dec 2, 2024 6:55 pm

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Post#95 » by sol537 » Mon Dec 2, 2024 7:09 pm

I would try to flip Mitch for Stewart (from DET). Stewart, Sims, and Precious are three of the best rim protectors in the NBA and are pretty elite mobile defenders and rebounders. The perfect type of guys to have next to KAT at the 4.

I would move KAT at the 4 for the majority of the game. This moves Hart to the bench as the 6th man.

Start: Precious, KAT, OG, Mikal, Brunson
Bench: Hart (27 mins), Deuce (24 mins), Payne (14 mins), Stewart (19 mins)

Our defense would go from 27th to 8th or so practically overnight and our guys would be fresh to finish games and to finish the season.

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