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Re: Sexton Convo, Update PG: 15 - Knicks most aggressive suitor

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Re: Re: Sexton Convo, Update PG: 15 - Knicks most aggressive suitor 

Post#801 » by Deeeez Knicks » Tue Jul 13, 2021 10:45 pm

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Deeeez Knicks wrote:Fiba Frank would actually be a good complement next to Sexton

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I was thinking about Lonzo. Knicks can still sign him and pair them up together. Might work out well


I could see the Knicks actually doing that. You really need the right compliment of players next to Sexton. Lonzo would be a nice fit
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Re: Re: Sexton Convo, Update PG: 15 - Knicks most aggressive suitor 

Post#802 » by 3toheadmelo » Tue Jul 13, 2021 10:47 pm

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I swear, every time I see this, it looks like he's bald and the hair is badly photoshopped on, and I can't unsee it.

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Re: Re: Sexton Convo, Update PG: 15 - Knicks most aggressive suitor 

Post#803 » by HEZI » Tue Jul 13, 2021 10:48 pm

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Deeeez Knicks wrote:Fiba Frank would actually be a good complement next to Sexton

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I was thinking about Lonzo. Knicks can still sign him and pair them up together. Might work out well


I could see the Knicks actually doing that. You really need the right compliment of players next to Sexton. Lonzo would be a nice fit


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Re: Re: Sexton Convo, Update PG: 15 - Knicks most aggressive suitor 

Post#804 » by Chanel Bomber » Tue Jul 13, 2021 10:48 pm

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Deeeez Knicks wrote:Fiba Frank would actually be a good complement next to Sexton

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I was thinking about Lonzo. Knicks can still sign him and pair them up together. Might work out well



This forum would be in meltdown mode before they even step foot on the floor together, it's actually the exact type of player you want next to Sexton, the ball mover glue guy that can run offense but will stand in the corner when he doesn't have the ball.

There's not enough 3P shooting with Sexton-Lonzo-RJ on the perimeter.

I think we underestimate just how impactful Bullock's 3P shooting was last year. He's the one player whose efficiency from 3 actually elevated our scoring efficiency as a team. He was by far our most efficient scorer last year outside of our center rotation.

With Sexton-Lonzo-RJ, you don't have anyone navigating through screens for catch-and-shoot 3s, setting screens for Randle for the relocate-and-catch-and-shoot 3 (which also often forced the switch on Randle), or overall being able to shoot from anywhere on the court with a lightning-quick release.
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Re: Re: Sexton Convo, Update PG: 15 - Knicks most aggressive suitor 

Post#805 » by F N 11 » Tue Jul 13, 2021 10:49 pm

Y’all recover from the delusion of trading a 1st and Obi for Sexton?
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Re: Re: Sexton Convo, Update PG: 15 - Knicks most aggressive suitor 

Post#806 » by NYK-Mentality85 » Tue Jul 13, 2021 10:50 pm

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he's a restricted free agent. NO can choose to match whichever offer they like. it isn't as if we are getting lonzo for free when he is a restricted free agent. any offer that we place on the table that other teams don't beat and NO decides to not match is essentially an "overpay" and still a cost of an asset. it is just a different asset in itself entirely.

regardless, my post wasn't in regards to what the better value is but rather the mindset of posters. If the lonzo believers think that thibs and co can turn him into a star than why not share the same belief for sexton that thibs and co can improve his game as well? i brought up age because that is the first thing that gets brought up as to why lonzo can be turned around. if lonzo can be turned around because he is young and meldable than so can sexton


Sexton is a scoring guard who's only averaged 3.4 assists per game in comparison to Ball who's awesome at passing with a career average of 6.4 assists per game and electric on fast breaks.

The Knicks need a PG with great passing ability in order to create easy baskets for the likes of R.J. Barrett, Immanuel Quickley, Mitchell Robinson and more importantly Julius Randle; not another shoot first & pass last PG.


is 6.4 assists really awesome when you're able to p&r with zion?


Yes because to be fair Lonzo averaged 7.0 assists in 2019-2020 during a year where rookie Zion only played 24 games.

Let's not pretend that Zion is the reason for Ball bring a great passer. Kid went 2nd overall out of UCLA due to passing alone...
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Re: Re: Sexton Convo, Update PG: 15 - Knicks most aggressive suitor 

Post#807 » by Capn'O » Tue Jul 13, 2021 10:53 pm

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I was thinking about Lonzo. Knicks can still sign him and pair them up together. Might work out well



This forum would be in meltdown mode before they even step foot on the floor together, it's actually the exact type of player you want next to Sexton, the ball mover glue guy that can run offense but will stand in the corner when he doesn't have the ball.

There's not enough 3P shooting with Sexton-Lonzo-RJ on the perimeter.

I think we underestimate just how impactful Bullock's 3P shooting was last year. He's the one player whose efficiency from 3 actually elevated our scoring efficiency as a team. He was by far our most efficient scorer last year outside of our center rotation.

With Sexton-Lonzo-RJ, you don't have anyone navigating through screens for catch-and-shoot 3s, setting screens for Randle for the relocate-and-catch-and-shoot 3 (which also often forced the switch on Randle), or overall being able to shoot from anywhere on the court with a lightning-quick release.


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Re: Re: Sexton Convo, Update PG: 15 - Knicks most aggressive suitor 

Post#808 » by 3toheadmelo » Tue Jul 13, 2021 10:54 pm

one thing that hasn't been talked about is that Sexton will be getting mentored by Johnny O'Bryant. he has had a significant impact on developing guys like Lillard and Donovan mitchell.
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Post#809 » by N8isScofield » Tue Jul 13, 2021 10:55 pm

A kid who is 4-5 years away from his prime and already scoring at an elite, efficient clip is somehow not good enough for people who have spent the last 2 years watching Elfrid Payton. I swear sometimes I think it's not Dolan's karma holding us back but the silliness of large portion of this fanbase.
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Post#813 » by TerrenceClarke » Tue Jul 13, 2021 11:04 pm

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Post#814 » by nedleeds » Tue Jul 13, 2021 11:05 pm

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Why are people comparing him to Booker? Sexton is 4 inches shorter.

Comparing guys who were labeled empty stat guys.


Yeah I get that but Sexton is point guard size, and if he does decide to ever play defense he can pretty much only guard 1's. Booker is bigger, stronger, a better deep shooter can guard 1, 2 and has a prayer against some 3's. The Monta Ellis, Jennings, Kemba comps are more appropriate given size and scoring point guard archetype (PC term for chucker).

Age 22 season comp for him and Kemba

https://stathead.com/tiny/HYCcK

Kemba learned to run a pick and roll more effectively. But wasn't lighting the assist world on fire those first couple years.
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Post#816 » by NoDopeOnSundays » Tue Jul 13, 2021 11:07 pm

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I was thinking about Lonzo. Knicks can still sign him and pair them up together. Might work out well



This forum would be in meltdown mode before they even step foot on the floor together, it's actually the exact type of player you want next to Sexton, the ball mover glue guy that can run offense but will stand in the corner when he doesn't have the ball.

There's not enough 3P shooting with Sexton-Lonzo-RJ on the perimeter.

I think we underestimate just how impactful Bullock's 3P shooting was last year. He's the one player whose efficiency from 3 actually elevated our scoring efficiency as a team. He was by far our most efficient scorer last year outside of our center rotation.

With Sexton-Lonzo-RJ, you don't have anyone navigating through screens for catch-and-shoot 3s, setting screens for Randle for the relocate-and-catch-and-shoot 3 (which also often forced the switch on Randle), or overall being able to shoot from anywhere on the court with a lightning-quick release.




I think there would be a less need for that if 4 people can handle the ball, he helped our offense in the regular season but ultimately in the playoffs that was just so easy to defend. With 2 more ball handlers out there we'd have less reliance on Randle running offense as much, and could use him more from the top of the key as a screener where he's rolling to the rim or popping out.


If Lonzo's shooting is real, which is a real gamble, then you can run a lot of the same sets with him that we did with Bullock, he shot 38% from 3 on a higher volume and his catch and shoot numbers are very similar to Bullocks (40.2% on 5.9 3PA vs 42.5 on 5.6 3PA). The question becomes is Lonzo's shooting real, if it is then you really aren't losing much there, but you're gaining someone who could do more off the catch if they close out on him, he's not a great finisher but he's much better than Bullock and can make skip passes or throw lobs out of the closeout.

I just think that if you get Sexton, you really need to understand that he's a scoring 2 more than he is a 1, maybe they can develop him into more of a playmaker but as an insurance policy he needs to be played next to a ball mover.
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Post#820 » by F N 11 » Tue Jul 13, 2021 11:17 pm

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Why are people comparing him to Booker? Sexton is 4 inches shorter.

Comparing guys who were labeled empty stat guys.


Yeah I get that but Sexton is point guard size, and if he does decide to ever play defense he can pretty much only guard 1's. Booker is bigger, stronger, a better deep shooter can guard 1, 2 and has a prayer against some 3's. The Monta Ellis, Jennings, Kemba comps are more appropriate given size and scoring point guard archetype (PC term for chucker).

Age 22 season comp for him and Kemba

https://stathead.com/tiny/HYCcK

Kemba learned to run a pick and roll more effectively. But wasn't lighting the assist world on fire those first couple years.

Kemba very solid comp. I would say Kemba likes to shoot more.
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