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Re: PG: Saved By The KAT 

Post#821 » by Deeeez Knicks » Mon May 26, 2025 7:10 pm

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Thibs needs to get to the finals at the least just to be even in the conversation
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Re: PG: Saved By The KAT 

Post#822 » by Clyde_Style » Mon May 26, 2025 7:14 pm

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Riley #2
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Thibs needs to get to the finals at the least just to be even in the conversation


There is no way Thibs is better than Hubie Brown or Rick Pitino or Lenny Wilkins either. They all coached weak Knicks rosters, but anyone who watched them with the Knicks and elsewhere know they are better coaches than Thibs.

Thibs is in the Top 10, but definitely not Top 6.
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Re: PG: Saved By The KAT 

Post#823 » by Capn'O » Mon May 26, 2025 7:16 pm

Thibs has more wins here than Rat
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Re: PG: Saved By The KAT 

Post#824 » by Capn'O » Mon May 26, 2025 7:18 pm

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K_ick_God wrote:Can’t really look at Deuce’s FG% and say he’s not playing well. He’s making a significant impact and it’s the playoffs where shots are harder

Nembhard doesn’t seem to be playing that well for some reason … been quiet


Deuce has been a huge positive factor. He's gotten to the line for some key free throws. In general, his speed really helps keep up with the Pacers on defense. Picks his guy up full court. Disruptive and physical. Endless effort. Always seems like he is the one to launch last second heaves too.

He could knock down a few more 3s.... Saving his hot streak for the 2nd half of the series. Just being a threat helps everyone


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Re: PG: Saved By The KAT 

Post#825 » by K_ick_God » Mon May 26, 2025 7:25 pm

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One of the most brutal calls I ever seen in all my life, and the travel call. If they let KAT operate on offense, inside out, outside in, there's no way anyone on the pacers stops him, he's to big for the small guys they put on him on the block, and to quick for the big guys on him on the perimeter. 2-2 tomorrow night and Indiana is in shambles worse then the Knicks after game 1 :nod:


And-1 but … call could have gone either way and KAT still has to channel that physical superiority … be calm and just get it done

If he can do it once, he can do it four times

He should have had us up 2-1 by his play so far this series
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Re: PG: Saved By The KAT 

Post#826 » by 2020 » Mon May 26, 2025 7:26 pm

The KnicksFix wrote:Deuce is a +25 in the conference finals
Mikal is a -20
Why isn’t deuce closing games ??


I like the idea because I can definitly see Deuce being more effective thank Mikal but only few Coaches (Poppovich, etc...) would have the balls and wisdom to do that.

Deuce is more aggressive offensively, creates his shot better and puts alot of pressure on the Pacers defense
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Re: PG: Saved By The KAT 

Post#827 » by K_ick_God » Mon May 26, 2025 7:27 pm

I still have to be convinced Jalen is willing to let KAT be an equal partner in this series comeback
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Post#828 » by BKlutch » Mon May 26, 2025 7:30 pm

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So poetic! But that former poster KnicksGod has transitioned into a new poster with a bowdlerized name, Kick_God


I realize that, but that poem is in Nantucket so I opted not to post it

I recall being young enough I believed the only word that rhymed with Nantucket was "bucket". :lol:
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Re: PG: Saved By The KAT 

Post#829 » by whocares1 » Mon May 26, 2025 7:32 pm

2020 wrote:
The KnicksFix wrote:Deuce is a +25 in the conference finals
Mikal is a -20
Why isn’t deuce closing games ??


I like the idea because I can definitly see Deuce being more effective thank Mikal but only few Coaches (Poppovich, etc...) would have the balls and wisdom to do that.

Deuce is more aggressive offensively, creates his shot better and puts alot of pressure on the Pacers defense


Mikal has two game saving defensive plays in this playoffs alone. He should be closing. His length and height make him a bit more valuable than Deuce in closing minutes tho I would consider Deuce to close games based on how well he played that specific game.
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Re: PG: Saved By The KAT 

Post#830 » by whocares1 » Mon May 26, 2025 7:35 pm

K_ick_God wrote:I still have to be convinced Jalen is willing to let KAT be an equal partner in this series comeback


Not sure why you think Brunson is some type of egomaniac. He shared the ball with Randle just fine. Towns is just more passive than Randle was too but Knicks gameplan has to be to put the ball in Towns hands more especially if Nesmith is Brunsons primary defender.
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Post#831 » by ctorres » Mon May 26, 2025 7:36 pm

Capn'O wrote:Thibs has more wins here than Rat


https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/NYK/coaches.html

Thibs is just 23 regular season wins away from surpassing JVG

For playoff wins, Thibs is 8 from surpassing Lapchick, 13 from surpassing Riley, 15 from surpassing JVG.

He'll never catch Red Holzman, but Thibs is not far from 2nd place and surpassing Joe Lapchick in regular season wins. He'll need two more full Knicks seasons of 50+ wins.
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Re: PG: Saved By The KAT 

Post#832 » by ctorres » Mon May 26, 2025 7:38 pm

whocares1 wrote:
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The KnicksFix wrote:Deuce is a +25 in the conference finals
Mikal is a -20
Why isn’t deuce closing games ??


I like the idea because I can definitly see Deuce being more effective thank Mikal but only few Coaches (Poppovich, etc...) would have the balls and wisdom to do that.

Deuce is more aggressive offensively, creates his shot better and puts alot of pressure on the Pacers defense


Mikal has two game saving defensive plays in this playoffs alone. He should be closing. His length and height make him a bit more valuable than Deuce in closing minutes tho I would consider Deuce to close games based on how well he played that specific game.


Deuce (and MItch) both close games on the defense end when Thibs calls a time out to put them in, taking Jalen and KAT out.
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Re: PG: Saved By The KAT 

Post#833 » by K_ick_God » Mon May 26, 2025 7:40 pm

whocares1 wrote:
K_ick_God wrote:I still have to be convinced Jalen is willing to let KAT be an equal partner in this series comeback


Not sure why you think Brunson is some type of egomaniac. He shared the ball with Randle just fine. Towns is just more passive than Randle was too but Knicks gameplan has to be to put the ball in Towns hands more especially if Nesmith is Brunsons primary defender.


It’s not ego necessarily — but Towns obviously gets lost
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Post#834 » by Clyde_Style » Mon May 26, 2025 7:45 pm

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BKlutch wrote:So poetic! But that former poster KnicksGod has transitioned into a new poster with a bowdlerized name, Kick_God


I realize that, but that poem is in Nantucket so I opted not to post it

I recall being young enough I believed the only word that rhymed with Nantucket was "bucket". :lol:


Wait, what?

There's another word that rhymes with Nantucket?

I had no idea
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Re: PG: Saved By The KAT 

Post#835 » by Deeeez Knicks » Mon May 26, 2025 7:45 pm

Capn'O wrote:Thibs has more wins here than Rat


Thibs coached an extra season and has 3 more wins. I hate Pat the rat but he was a great coach for us. 68% win percentage is the best in franchise history

Thibs on his own end has done a great job overall. Still remains to be seen if he is the guy that can get us over the hump
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Post#836 » by whocares1 » Mon May 26, 2025 7:54 pm

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I like the idea because I can definitly see Deuce being more effective thank Mikal but only few Coaches (Poppovich, etc...) would have the balls and wisdom to do that.

Deuce is more aggressive offensively, creates his shot better and puts alot of pressure on the Pacers defense


Mikal has two game saving defensive plays in this playoffs alone. He should be closing. His length and height make him a bit more valuable than Deuce in closing minutes tho I would consider Deuce to close games based on how well he played that specific game.


Deuce (and MItch) both close games on the defense end when Thibs calls a time out to put them in, taking Jalen and KAT out.


I think he means by closing games that it’s a reference to a player playing on both sides of the court for at least the last 5 minutes of a game.
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Re: PG: Saved By The KAT 

Post#837 » by Clyde_Style » Mon May 26, 2025 7:58 pm

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K_ick_God wrote:I still have to be convinced Jalen is willing to let KAT be an equal partner in this series comeback


Not sure why you think Brunson is some type of egomaniac. He shared the ball with Randle just fine. Towns is just more passive than Randle was too but Knicks gameplan has to be to put the ball in Towns hands more especially if Nesmith is Brunsons primary defender.


This is why it still comes down to coaching. The coach can direct the team to set up KAT more. While we'd like him to demand the ball more, the truth is it shouldn't require that to get him the ball in scoring position. If Brunson doesn't do it enough then it is up to the coach to correct it.
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Re: PG: Saved By The KAT 

Post#838 » by whocares1 » Mon May 26, 2025 8:04 pm

Notes for Game 4

-Towns being guarded by a center has helped him offensively tremendously in this series. He is currently underutilized offensively and should be taking way more shots under this circumstance.

-Mikal Bridges should probably work his way to the three point line later in the games. He seems to find the range later in the games but the first half should be focused on finding his mid range shot. If Tyrese is on him it should be an easy look for him.


-Brunson and Towns should be staggered as much as possible. Their lack of chemistry together offensively makes the pairing a usual net negative not even considering how bad they can be defensively. Can cover for their defensive lapses separately but not for long stretches together. Feel like Towns has the better matchups and should be the focal point of the offense a majority of the time even when Brunson is out there.

-Slowing down TJ McConnell was huge. The bench wasn’t amazing but they held guys in check and that was huge for this team and I anticipate we will see guys like Shamet and Wright play again.

We need more Deuce. Just more of him in general. With Brunson or without. He should be playing closer to 30 than 20.
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Re: PG: Saved By The KAT 

Post#839 » by The KnicksFix » Mon May 26, 2025 8:09 pm

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The KnicksFix wrote:There’s a reason why shamet deuce and wright worked with KAT. Shamet deuce and wright get over the pick. They get skinny and rotate quickly so the pacers can’t target the switch on KAT. That’s why it worked.

AND hart or OG were back there to help


That's a key part of it. Bench lineup and fight over the screens so they can't isolate KAT.


Exactly this
Deuce Shamet and Delon are hungry and willing to fight fight fight on ever defensive possession so they’re not on a switch
This is the main difference
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Re: PG: Saved By The KAT 

Post#840 » by The KnicksFix » Mon May 26, 2025 8:11 pm

whocares1 wrote:Notes for Game 4

-Towns being guarded by a center has helped him offensively tremendously in this series. He is currently underutilized offensively and should be taking way more shots under this circumstance.

-Mikal Bridges should probably work his way to the three point line later in the games. He seems to find the range later in the games but the first half should be focused on finding his mid range shot. If Tyrese is on him it should be an easy look for him.


-Brunson and Towns should be staggered as much as possible. Their lack of chemistry together offensively makes the pairing a usual net negative not even considering how bad they can be defensively. Can cover for their defensive lapses separately but not for long stretches together. Feel like Towns has the better matchups and should be the focal point of the offense a majority of the time even when Brunson is out there.

-Slowing down TJ McConnell was huge. The bench wasn’t amazing but they held guys in check and that was huge for this team and I anticipate we will see guys like Shamet and Wright play again.

We need more Deuce. Just more of him in general. With Brunson or without. He should be playing closer to 30 than 20.


Exactly this
However the only thing that limited deuce’s minutes tonight was he picked up 3 fouls in the span of just 2 or 3 mins in the first half when he checked in
They targeted him on a turner switch

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