MeloDrama Part V

[GONYK]

Who knows, maybe PJ wanting tbe Knicks job was all a ploy to:

1. Help facilitate Melo to LA, which sways James to join the Lakers soon after
2. Help get 2 of his disciples head coaching gigs
3. Take $10 M of Dolans money for a years worth of keeping his feet up at a desk, only to step down that offseason citing differences between ownership and himself
4. Signs a lucrative deal with the Lakers, taking the dual role of President/head coach

If anyone's capable of masterminding this type of genius (without getting caught of course), it would be Phil Jackson.

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That is the least Zen thing I've ever heard

[K_ick_God]

P Gasol shouldn't be a selling point to Melo in LA or NY.

[knicksrbake]

FYI, there is a sign and trade option with the Bulls that does not involve Boozer.

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1) Trade the three unguaranteeds, Snell, Smith, a first and a signed-and-traded Hinrich (three year deal starting at $5,184,140) to New York, as well as Dunleavy to wherever the hell someone wants him, in exchange for Melo starting at an even $20 mil.

Snell, Smith, and a 1st for Melo? Is everyone from the Bulls board a raging alcoholic?

[CoolKids]

FYI, there is a sign and trade option with the Bulls that does not involve Boozer.

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Thats even worse

[DowNY]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/ramonashelburne/status/485856426519449601[/tweet]

Whenever she reports something, it's usually not gonna happen. I remember her putting false hope in "LakersNation" regarding Phil Jackson curving the Knicks & actually going to LA.

[IrishBeatdown]

But as you say later in posts, they have to clear the space to sign him outright at the money he wants. The only reason teams were "forced" to accept S&T for stars in the past was to get the extra year for the player, and that's not possible anymore. You either have the money to sign the player outright, or you have to bend to the team that's trading him in order to get the player on your roster at the money he wants.

There is no longer any "recouping whatever possible" aspect to S&Ts under the new CBA because the trading team can't pass the 5th year or annual increases on to the accepting team.

The entirety of you and everyone else who is discussing a S&T using terms such as "if it came down to it" and "something rather than nothing" have a fundamentally incorrect understanding of the new CBA rules.

There are quite literally only two scenarios involving Melo to the Bulls:

1) The Bulls clear enough space to give him his desired salary outright.

2) The Bulls do not have enough money to give Melo his desired salary outright, but he wants to play there.

In scenario one the Knicks have no leverage and just get boned over. Lose Melo, no assets returned.

In scenario two the Bulls are completely at the Knicks' mercy. They have to satisfy the Knicks or PJax just sits there with his hands folded smiling.

But again, these trade scenarios where the Knicks have no leverage and are being forced into accepting assets are misinformed fan ramblings based on the previous CBA, not the current one.

Agree, I actually addressed that specifically in my post:

I agree with the fact that Chicago isn't going to force-feed a trade to NY. Isn't going to happen. If NY doesn't want Boozer for the price of two 1sts, than they don't do the deal, simple as that.

The motivation on NY's part is the LA nuclear option. Melo leaves for nothing, point black, NY is left with nothing. In that situation NY is in full rebuild mode and will be looking to clear cap and hoard picks, even if that means taking on cap short term.

LAL offering the max is one of the only bargaining chips CHI even has. If NY is convinced Melo will leave for nothing, suddenly the alternative of Boozer for 2 firsts and Mirotic becomes more attractive. You only take on his salary for one year, get the best prospect in europe, get one pick in the 10-14 range, and one in the late first round. Boozer helps with the tank, NY is free to really suck once Melo is gone and can tank its way into the top 5.

If you know Melo is leaving, why not do this? But then again, not everyone wants to blow it up.

Because it's not the Knicks choice of where to send Melo, it's his own. A scenario where Melo says, "I'm not re-signing and am going to either the Lakers or Bulls, get a S&T with Chicago if you can," isn't nuclear, it's just illogical and a hypothetical that has no place in the practical world.

Yeah, my whole argument is predicated on the idea that faced with a decision of whether to get a deal in a situation where you may end up with nothing, the knicks agree to take on short term salary for picks & prospects.

If I was losing Melo, I would rather have 2-3 first rounders and Mirotic than absolutely nothing to kick off my rebuild, but that is just me. In a vacuum, that makes sense, right? Or still illogical?

[K_ick_God]

Yikes I don't see how Marvin Williams keeps LeBron in Miami. Riley just has a bad hand to play here.

[Thugger HBC]

FYI, there is a sign and trade option with the Bulls that does not involve Boozer.

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It really isnt just Boozer, the proposals just arent anything remote to good.

"Trade the three unguaranteeds, Snell, Smith, a first and a signed-and-traded Hinrich (three year deal starting at $5,184,140) to New York, as well as Dunleavy to wherever the hell someone wants him, in exchange for Melo starting at an even $20 mil."

Even if this is accurate, dont have a reason to care, the deal is what the rest were...garbage.

[bigfnjoe96]

Bulls Fans are still stuck in 2010 with these S&T offers. They keep using the LBJ S&T to Miami as a base for their scenarios.

Just a heads up Bulls Fans we're in 2014

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[Workforce250]

So Dogg, as a NY fan, wouldn't you prefer to get Detriot or Minny involved and with up with Love or much stronger "assets"? Dude NOBODY wants Boozer, not EVEN the Bulls or it's fanbase.
hell no, tired of taking in players in big contracts nobody wants!!!!!! A bunch f unknowns for Camelo Anthony? Ludicrous

If Melo wants to leave, then yes, I would take that package.

And we would have cap space and assets to send to the twolves for Love. Draft picks, MCD, Mirotic, Shump, THJ, etc.

We can sign Gasol in the off-season too.

You have to have something to attract these upper level guys, unless they're just in it for the cheese.

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Bro but dudes are acting as tho Taj is not part of deal. We gutted our team for Melo, guess what? We're Denver now.

[LJ4pointplay]

http://m.us.wsj.com/articles/los-angele ... 20herring/

This situation is very odd. Herring is the best of the beat writers in my opinion.

[Futureisnow]

FYI, there is a sign and trade option with the Bulls that does not involve Boozer.

viewtopic.php?f=10&t=1332779

1) Trade the three unguaranteeds, Snell, Smith, a first and a signed-and-traded Hinrich (three year deal starting at $5,184,140) to New York, as well as Dunleavy to wherever the hell someone wants him, in exchange for Melo starting at an even $20 mil.

Snell, Smith, and a 1st for Melo? Is everyone from the Bulls board a raging alcoholic?

They keep trying to use the jedi mind trick on us. It's funny.

[GONYK]

http://m.us.wsj.com/articles/los-angeles-lakers-emerge-as-contenders-for-carmelo-anthony-1404674407?mobile=y&KEYWORDS=chris%20herring/

If you read Herring's twitter, even he doesn't really believe the LAL hype.

[Futureisnow]

LAL doesn't offer a chance to "win" and it's less money than we could offer. Chiraq has a better chance of getting Melo than LA, and Chiraq has no chance. I'd put LA's chances at less than zero

[KnicksFan_11]

Anyone follow this or know who it is?

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SOURCE: Carmelo Anthony expected to reach a verbal agreement with the Knicks as early as tomorrow. The deal will be for the max.
2:49 PM - 6 Jul 2014

The only way the verbal agreement won't happen is if LeBron and him decide to team up somewhere. However that's unlikely to happen.

[NYMNYKFN10]

Looks like Phil is urging Melo to not take the max.

Looks like Melo wants the max. Guy is not about winning, just wants his money.

According to a person familiar with the situation, Anthony felt as if he got mixed signals from the New York Knicks during his meeting with the team on Thursday. While Anthony and his camp were told that he could have a maximum contract if he wanted it, a source said, team president Phil Jackson continued to preach the virtues of taking less than the maximum—a message that left Anthony questioning whether the max offer was sincere.

[duetta]

Looks like Phil is urging Melo to not take the max.

Looks like Melo wants the max. Guy is not about winning, just wants his money.

Absolutely. Which is why I continue to say, promise him anything, but just don't give him a no-trade.

[Workforce250]

Looks like Phil is urging Melo to not take the max.

Looks like Melo wants the max. Guy is not about winning, just wants his money.

According to a person familiar with the situation, Anthony felt as if he got mixed signals from the New York Knicks during his meeting with the team on Thursday. While Anthony and his camp were told that he could have a maximum contract if he wanted it, a source said, team president Phil Jackson continued to preach the virtues of taking less than the maximum—a message that left Anthony questioning whether the max offer was sincere.

Boy you"re REALLY quick to jump yhr gun and base judgement by people you don't even know.

[FemaleDogPlease]

Looks like Phil is urging Melo to not take the max.

Looks like Melo wants the max. Guy is not about winning, just wants his money.

According to a person familiar with the situation, Anthony felt as if he got mixed signals from the New York Knicks during his meeting with the team on Thursday. While Anthony and his camp were told that he could have a maximum contract if he wanted it, a source said, team president Phil Jackson continued to preach the virtues of taking less than the maximum—a message that left Anthony questioning whether the max offer was sincere.

These writers are desperate. No news so they make it up.

[liknicks7]

Anyone follow this or know who it is?

DYST Now @DYST_Now
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SOURCE: Carmelo Anthony expected to reach a verbal agreement with the Knicks as early as tomorrow. The deal will be for the max.
2:49 PM - 6 Jul 2014

The only way the verbal agreement won't happen is if LeBron and him decide to team up somewhere. However that's unlikely to happen.

Syracuse based. Def not full proof but shouldn't be dismissed.