WHG traded to hornets for O'Bryant and two 2nds

[reub]

I know that Hicks and Kornet have been practicing with the team and hopefully one or both of them have been impressing the brass. Looking for a silver lining somewhere.

Kornet has impressed me by acquiring an NBA contract from any team. Of course, it would be the Knicks.


IMPRESSIVE

Yeah. I like Hicks better. Maybe even Nigel Hayes.

[F N 11]

Perry with the we are going to play younger guys but we want to compete lie

[duetta]

Mills and Perry are likely to be gone by the time those picks are made...

[j4remi]

9 minutes a game and only 9 games with 10 or more minutes isn't seeing him play. Everyone looks bad in that little amount of PT. He's still averaging 17/10/3 per 36 this year with a 17 PER. Imagine if we actually played him how he might produce (or don't imagine and just think back to last year where he averaged 12/9/2 after all star break). He could've at least got 10-15 mpg like he did last year when he was banished to the shadow realm but nah Horny hates success and so do Knicks fans.

Every time someone drops the "Willy had opportunities and did nothing with them," I grind my teeth.

[Synciere]

That or the coaching staff have no f@cking clue. I bet on the no f@cking clue.

I might agree with you, EXCEPT WE ALL SAW WILLY PLAY THIS YEAR. Where was his dominant performance? Even at the beginning of camp, he came in out of shape from reports, which is really hard to do if you're playing for your international squad during the summer lol... Nah, I'm betting that he just got outplayed. I don't know why that's so out of the realm of possibility for some of you.

9 minutes a game and only 9 games with 10 or more minutes isn't seeing him play. Everyone looks bad in that little amount of PT. He's still averaging 17/10/3 per 36 this year with a 17 PER. Imagine if we actually played him how he might produce (or don't imagine and just think back to last year where he averaged 12/9/2 after all star break). He could've at least got 10-15 mpg like he did last year when he was banished to the shadow realm but nah Horny hates success and so do Knicks fans.

If 9 minutes a game is not enough to see him play, then HE HAS TO FIGHT AND EARN MORE MINUTES. That's why I only like per 36 stats to a certain extent, because if a player isn't playing 36 minutes, there's usually a good reason for it. That's how guys like David West have higher PERs than KP and other All Stars. The logic 'Imagine if we had actually played him x amount, then he could've gotten x points/rebounds etc, and he would've been worth x more' is an EXTREMELY faulty one. We as fans don't see the players that much but the coaches do. And playing him more could go both ways, in that it could LOWER his value too. You can't just take the best case scenario or the ceiling. You have to take into account his floor too.

[King of Canada]

I might agree with you, EXCEPT WE ALL SAW WILLY PLAY THIS YEAR. Where was his dominant performance? Even at the beginning of camp, he came in out of shape from reports, which is really hard to do if you're playing for your international squad during the summer lol... Nah, I'm betting that he just got outplayed. I don't know why that's so out of the realm of possibility for some of you.

9 minutes a game and only 9 games with 10 or more minutes isn't seeing him play. Everyone looks bad in that little amount of PT. He's still averaging 17/10/3 per 36 this year with a 17 PER. Imagine if we actually played him how he might produce (or don't imagine and just think back to last year where he averaged 12/9/2 after all star break). He could've at least got 10-15 mpg like he did last year when he was banished to the shadow realm but nah Horny hates success and so do Knicks fans.

Every time someone drops the "Willy had opportunities and did nothing with them," I grind my teeth.[/quote]

I'm pretty mad about trading him too. The only thing I can think of is Kanter and KOQ coming back long term is already in the plans. Otherwise it seems like we gave away a guy that may be really good for basically nothing.

[Shemy]

Mills and Perry are likely to be gone by the time those picks are made...

get it done donnie!

[earthmansurfer]

Read on Twitter

Don't know if this was posted yet

Great news, maybe we can find another Ron Baker, that should just about cover it.

[E-Balla]

I’m an absolute awe at this franchise

I was not under the impression that Willie was a franchise cornerstone in anyway. But what is the possible value of the street? The second rounders have minimal value and if memory serves that is exactly what we gave up to get Lily in the 1st Pl.,

Patrick o’bryant? Not a clue
I’m sure that’s my ignorance but I doubt very much he’s better than Willy
And less he’s Kobe‘s Irish brother

I just cannot see the value in trading at such a low point
You don’t have to play him, you don’t have to trade in either, you don’t have to do anything as a GM

Better just to wait and see what else presents itself

At the very least he could’ve been a throw In for a larger trade

POB is already gone. And yes that is what we gave up to get Willy, Willy proceeded to prove he was worth way more than that (probably a non lotto first rounder), and then we traded him with 2 more years on his deal for picks we could've brought outright.

I still remember when dudes were on here defending Woody not playing Cope against Indy even though Cope killed that defense while on the floor (so much Indy picked him up) and averaged 9 ppg that season. This is the same ****. Knicks fans will defend anyone picked in the lotto no matter how bad but be a not top 14 pick and they hate you for no reason. Then we gotta overpay for dudes later on when we want role players...

[E-Balla]

Mills and Perry are likely to be gone by the time those picks are made...

get it done donnie!

Don't play.

[duetta]

Honestly, we should have kept Carmelo. Acquiring Kanter screwed everything up.

[3toheadmelo]

Honestly, we should have kept Carmelo. Acquiring Kanter screwed everything up.

i hated the deal the second it was announced.

[SoCalKnickFan]

Honestly, we should have kept Carmelo. Acquiring Kanter screwed everything up.

Our record would be about the same and we’d be doing the same amount of bitch$ing and whining, just swap some names around

[Billy Goat]

Honestly, we should have kept Carmelo. Acquiring Kanter screwed everything up.

Screwed what up?

[K_ick_God]

How much evidence is there to even support that 2nd round picks are a lot more valuable, in terms of getting a productive player, than just free agent signings of undrafted guys?

I'm sure it's better to draft, but how much? Occasionally you'll find a good player ... like Billy.

[MP4LIFE]

Mills and Perry are likely to be gone by the time those picks are made...

Mills is going nowhere. He’s been gainfully employed by Dolan for the better part of 2 decades.

[Synciere]

Honestly, we should have kept Carmelo. Acquiring Kanter screwed everything up.

See, this is the elephant in the room. I was wondering when Melo would come up. But bringing in Kanter is the biggest reason why willy didn't get the minutes he wanted.

[K_ick_God]

Mills and Perry are likely to be gone by the time those picks are made...

Mills is going nowhere. He’s been gainfully employed by Dolan for the better part of 2 decades.

It's Kobe Bryant who will be making those picks

[Shemy]

look forward to overpaying for WHG a la Timmy in a few years

[E-Balla]

I might agree with you, EXCEPT WE ALL SAW WILLY PLAY THIS YEAR. Where was his dominant performance? Even at the beginning of camp, he came in out of shape from reports, which is really hard to do if you're playing for your international squad during the summer lol... Nah, I'm betting that he just got outplayed. I don't know why that's so out of the realm of possibility for some of you.

9 minutes a game and only 9 games with 10 or more minutes isn't seeing him play. Everyone looks bad in that little amount of PT. He's still averaging 17/10/3 per 36 this year with a 17 PER. Imagine if we actually played him how he might produce (or don't imagine and just think back to last year where he averaged 12/9/2 after all star break). He could've at least got 10-15 mpg like he did last year when he was banished to the shadow realm but nah Horny hates success and so do Knicks fans.

If 9 minutes a game is not enough to see him play, then HE HAS TO FIGHT AND EARN MORE MINUTES. That's why I only like per 36 stats to a certain extent, because if a player isn't playing 36 minutes, there's usually a good reason for it. That's how guys like David West have higher PERs than KP and other All Stars. The logic 'Imagine if we had actually played him x amount, then he could've gotten x points/rebounds etc, and he would've been worth x more' is an EXTREMELY faulty one. We as fans don't see the players that much but the coaches do. And playing him more could go both ways, in that it could LOWER his value too. You can't just take the best case scenario or the ceiling. You have to take into account his floor too.

First off he averaged 12/9/2 after all star break last year and for the last 25-30 games of the year was the clear 3rd best player on the team at the age of 22. Who else but the Knicks would make a player "earn his minutes" after that? Secondly he was averaging 17/10/3 on 59 TS% per 36 and had a 17 PER. Is that not good production in limited time? How is he supposed to earn minutes if he can't have time to average more than 4 ppg.

Also Jeff also saw Sessions was the best PG on the team and started him. He saw Noah deserved more minutes than Willy last year. How can y'all in once sentence call him incompetent and in the next trust his opinion on a player he's hated since day one? All this BS you posted would make sense if Willy wasn't third in ROY voting and first team all rookie. He is already proven you're just hard headed.

Funny part is the same dudes dogging Willy want Frank to start and get more PT when Willy was a way better rookie than Frank. FOH y'all not slick.