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Re: Official Giants Thread 

Post#561 » by mpharris36 » Mon Dec 7, 2020 7:40 pm

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Strick wrote:We need to grab a dynamic WR. Slayton is really solid and Shepard is a reliable #3 WR. Being able to get another WR at Slayton’s level or better would be massive.

I’d also love to get a dynamic return specialist. Peppers has the ability to make plays as a punt returner but getting a dynamic returner would allow him to not need to be thrown back there. I swear we have had like one return get beyond the 25 yard line on kick off returns. Hell, most of the kicks we take out are lucky to get back to the 20 :lol:


yeah my guess would be you go edge rusher with the 1st pick and WR in round 2 unless a big time WR drops which is a possibility. Obviously if the giants are in a position to draft a Ceedee Lamb who dropped type in round 1 for dallas you do it.

But edge rush and legit #1 WR would be and ideal scenario.

I would like a #2 type corner but yiadam has been solid.

Devonta Smith from Alabama would be amazing. We will probably be out of the Jamar Chase sweepstakes. I like a lot of WRs in this draft. It would be great if we could get an edge and WR in round 2.

My ideal situation would be edge/WR in round one and two regardless of which comes first and grab a solid CB2 in Free Agency. I think we should have a ton of money to play around with this year actually.

It would be massive to have QB, RB, top 2 WRs, both LT and RT, possibly both guard positions (if Hernandez and Lemieux can play LG and RG), and several contributors on defense all on rookie contracts. That would allow a lot of money to be pumped into impact positions.



well we wont have that much money because Nate Soldier is going to hit our books again and we are going to have to pay Leonard Williams big bucks.

You can always move around money but the Soldier dead cap is going to be annoying.
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Re: Official Giants Thread 

Post#562 » by GONYK » Mon Dec 7, 2020 7:45 pm

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yeah my guess would be you go edge rusher with the 1st pick and WR in round 2 unless a big time WR drops which is a possibility. Obviously if the giants are in a position to draft a Ceedee Lamb who dropped type in round 1 for dallas you do it.

But edge rush and legit #1 WR would be and ideal scenario.

I would like a #2 type corner but yiadam has been solid.

Devonta Smith from Alabama would be amazing. We will probably be out of the Jamar Chase sweepstakes. I like a lot of WRs in this draft. It would be great if we could get an edge and WR in round 2.

My ideal situation would be edge/WR in round one and two regardless of which comes first and grab a solid CB2 in Free Agency. I think we should have a ton of money to play around with this year actually.

It would be massive to have QB, RB, top 2 WRs, both LT and RT, possibly both guard positions (if Hernandez and Lemieux can play LG and RG), and several contributors on defense all on rookie contracts. That would allow a lot of money to be pumped into impact positions.



well we wont have that much money because Nate Soldier is going to hit our books again and we are going to have to pay Leonard Williams big bucks.

You can always move around money but the Soldier dead cap is going to be annoying.


Solder will hit us at around $6M, which does suck.

I would have to think Zeitler and Tate are gone. We will reinvest part of that in Williams and then the rest will be for FAs
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Re: Official Giants Thread 

Post#563 » by mpharris36 » Mon Dec 7, 2020 7:57 pm

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Strick wrote:Devonta Smith from Alabama would be amazing. We will probably be out of the Jamar Chase sweepstakes. I like a lot of WRs in this draft. It would be great if we could get an edge and WR in round 2.

My ideal situation would be edge/WR in round one and two regardless of which comes first and grab a solid CB2 in Free Agency. I think we should have a ton of money to play around with this year actually.

It would be massive to have QB, RB, top 2 WRs, both LT and RT, possibly both guard positions (if Hernandez and Lemieux can play LG and RG), and several contributors on defense all on rookie contracts. That would allow a lot of money to be pumped into impact positions.



well we wont have that much money because Nate Soldier is going to hit our books again and we are going to have to pay Leonard Williams big bucks.

You can always move around money but the Soldier dead cap is going to be annoying.


Solder will hit us at around $6M, which does suck.

I would have to think Zeitler and Tate are gone. We will reinvest part of that in Williams and then the rest will be for FAs


If I'm not mistaken when soldier opted out (for covid) his contract is frozen so he will actually have a 13.5 million dead cap if we cut him with is horrendous...unless we wait post June 1st to cut him which is way after FA basically will start and the season is about to begin so its not like we will be able to withhold that money to sign anyone.

Soldier contract is ass.

Zeitler and Tate are both def gone as they have smallish dead cap money. I don't think they are going to Soldier with that high cap hit unless its after June 1 and they basically use that savings to go into the season with because teams like to have cash during the year for pickups.
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Re: Official Giants Thread 

Post#564 » by GONYK » Mon Dec 7, 2020 7:59 pm

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well we wont have that much money because Nate Soldier is going to hit our books again and we are going to have to pay Leonard Williams big bucks.

You can always move around money but the Soldier dead cap is going to be annoying.


Solder will hit us at around $6M, which does suck.

I would have to think Zeitler and Tate are gone. We will reinvest part of that in Williams and then the rest will be for FAs


If I'm not mistaken when soldier opted out (for covid) his contract is frozen so he will actually have a 13.5 million dead cap if we cut him with is horrendous...unless we wait post June 1st to cut him which is way after FA basically will start and the season is about to begin so its not like we will be able to withhold that money to sign anyone.

Soldier contract is ass.


I think if we designate him as a post June 1st transaction, we'll be charged ~ $6M in dead money against the 2021 cap and $4M in dead money against the 2022 cap.
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Re: Official Giants Thread 

Post#565 » by mpharris36 » Mon Dec 7, 2020 8:03 pm

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Solder will hit us at around $6M, which does suck.

I would have to think Zeitler and Tate are gone. We will reinvest part of that in Williams and then the rest will be for FAs


If I'm not mistaken when soldier opted out (for covid) his contract is frozen so he will actually have a 13.5 million dead cap if we cut him with is horrendous...unless we wait post June 1st to cut him which is way after FA basically will start and the season is about to begin so its not like we will be able to withhold that money to sign anyone.

Soldier contract is ass.


I think if we designate him as a post June 1st transaction, we'll be charged ~ $6M in dead money against the 2021 cap and $4M in dead money against the 2022 cap.


correct but its not really advantageous to designate as a post june 1 cut because the money wont be freed up to use in FA basically but its way before the June 1 cut date. So it does save the giants money but the post June 1 cut basically is more in use during the season spending or next year freeing up. You really want to have pre-june 1 cuts to effect next year cap #'s.
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Re: Official Giants Thread 

Post#566 » by GONYK » Mon Dec 7, 2020 8:05 pm

mpharris36 wrote:
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If I'm not mistaken when soldier opted out (for covid) his contract is frozen so he will actually have a 13.5 million dead cap if we cut him with is horrendous...unless we wait post June 1st to cut him which is way after FA basically will start and the season is about to begin so its not like we will be able to withhold that money to sign anyone.

Soldier contract is ass.


I think if we designate him as a post June 1st transaction, we'll be charged ~ $6M in dead money against the 2021 cap and $4M in dead money against the 2022 cap.


correct but its not really advantageous to designate as a post june 1 cut because the money wont be freed up to use in FA basically but its way before the June 1 cut date. So it does save the giants money but the post June 1 cut basically is more in use during the season spending or next year freeing up. You really want to have pre-june 1 cuts to effect next year cap #'s.


Yea, it's not ideal, but $10M will be freed up after June 1st.
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Re: Official Giants Thread 

Post#567 » by mpharris36 » Mon Dec 7, 2020 8:08 pm

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I think if we designate him as a post June 1st transaction, we'll be charged ~ $6M in dead money against the 2021 cap and $4M in dead money against the 2022 cap.


correct but its not really advantageous to designate as a post june 1 cut because the money wont be freed up to use in FA basically but its way before the June 1 cut date. So it does save the giants money but the post June 1 cut basically is more in use during the season spending or next year freeing up. You really want to have pre-june 1 cuts to effect next year cap #'s.


Yea, it's not ideal, but $10M will be freed up after June 1st.


yup but unless there is a FA still out there you desperately need the cap freed up during the year it may be better to just keep him as insurance incase Thomas or Peart get hurt. Its not like tackles just grow on trees even though he has been horrible here.

If they need the 10 MM post June 1...sure cut him...but its not like there are FA usually sitting around that late...unless there is a Logan Ryan type situation...which in that case agree, cut him.
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Re: Official Giants Thread 

Post#568 » by Kampuchea » Tue Dec 8, 2020 12:41 pm

Redskins loss would have been nice
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Post#569 » by Dave DaButcher » Tue Dec 8, 2020 1:51 pm

Kampuchea wrote:Redskins loss would have been nice

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Re: Official Giants Thread 

Post#570 » by mpharris36 » Tue Dec 8, 2020 2:08 pm

Kampuchea wrote:Redskins loss would have been nice


for sure but I want this team to keep the peddle on the metal. With Washington right on there tails they need to continue to be laser focused and winning again this week. Giants keep winning they will make it.
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Post#571 » by DaGawd » Tue Dec 8, 2020 2:17 pm

Don’t forget Giants have the tie breaker
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Post#572 » by F N 11 » Tue Dec 8, 2020 2:35 pm

DaGawd wrote:Don’t forget Giants have the tie breaker

Yeah but Skins have more winnable games than us even if we are the hotter team.
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Post#573 » by mpharris36 » Tue Dec 8, 2020 2:40 pm

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DaGawd wrote:Don’t forget Giants have the tie breaker

Yeah but Skins have more winnable games than us even if we are the hotter team.


They still have to travel to San Fran on a short week. When we play the cardinals at home (giants playing much better than cardinals)

I still like our chances at home vs cardinals then the skins on the road in san fran.

8-8 will def get us in
7-9 is like a 50-50 toss up right now.

I still don't trust the skins and alex smith to win 3 out of 4 games.
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Post#574 » by GONYK » Tue Dec 8, 2020 3:31 pm

Kampuchea wrote:Redskins loss would have been nice


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Post#575 » by F N 11 » Tue Dec 8, 2020 7:11 pm

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DaGawd wrote:Don’t forget Giants have the tie breaker

Yeah but Skins have more winnable games than us even if we are the hotter team.


They still have to travel to San Fran on a short week. When we play the cardinals at home (giants playing much better than cardinals)

I still like our chances at home vs cardinals then the skins on the road in san fran.

8-8 will def get us in
7-9 is like a 50-50 toss up right now.

I still don't trust the skins and alex smith to win 3 out of 4 games.

I hate the fact that they are hot like us in terms of momentum. Alex Smith really stabilized that team.
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Post#576 » by -YogiBiz- » Wed Dec 9, 2020 7:39 pm

ZAVEN COLLINS YALL ZAVEN COLLINS.

But about Solder, I think he retires. His son's health has been taking a big-time toll on him, and he might just be better served spending time with him.
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Post#577 » by Strick » Wed Dec 9, 2020 7:55 pm

-YogiBiz- wrote:ZAVEN COLLINS YALL ZAVEN COLLINS.

But about Solder, I think he retires. His son's health has been taking a big-time toll on him, and he might just be better served spending time with him.

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Post#578 » by blueNorange » Wed Dec 9, 2020 8:10 pm

-YogiBiz- wrote:ZAVEN COLLINS YALL ZAVEN COLLINS.

But about Solder, I think he retires. His son's health has been taking a big-time toll on him, and he might just be better served spending time with him.

i think they're looking at jayson oweh considering a lot of giant scouts, including gettleman went to see his game live.
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Re: Official Giants Thread 

Post#579 » by GONYK » Wed Dec 9, 2020 8:34 pm

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-YogiBiz- wrote:ZAVEN COLLINS YALL ZAVEN COLLINS.

But about Solder, I think he retires. His son's health has been taking a big-time toll on him, and he might just be better served spending time with him.

i think they're looking at jayson oweh considering a lot of giant scouts, including gettleman went to see his game live.


If they are really interested in Oweh, they have a TON of faith in their development staff. Dude is a freak, but he's raw.

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Post#580 » by blueNorange » Wed Dec 9, 2020 8:43 pm

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-YogiBiz- wrote:ZAVEN COLLINS YALL ZAVEN COLLINS.

But about Solder, I think he retires. His son's health has been taking a big-time toll on him, and he might just be better served spending time with him.

i think they're looking at jayson oweh considering a lot of giant scouts, including gettleman went to see his game live.


If they are really interested in Oweh, they have a TON of faith in their development staff. Dude is a freak, but he's raw.

Similar to Rousseau.

well we know it only takes one play for him to like a player, and so far he's been right on jones.
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