ImageImageImageImageImage

Moar COVID 19 talk.

Moderators: Jeff Van Gully, NoLayupRule, King of Canada, GONYK, mpharris36, Deeeez Knicks, Capn'O, Thugger HBC, j4remi, K-DOT, mrpoetryNmotion

User avatar
Capn'O
Forum Mod - Knicks
Forum Mod - Knicks
Posts: 55,340
And1: 44,998
Joined: Dec 16, 2005
Location: There were giants in those days
 

Moar COVID 19 talk. 

Post#1 » by Capn'O » Fri May 15, 2020 4:05 pm

Other thread >>> 100pgs.

New thread arises.
BAF Clippers
SGA Ferguson Middleton
DFS Juancho Markieff
Vanderbilt Nurkic Holmes Meyers

RIP Mags :beer:
"Greatness wasn't worth anything if you couldn't share it."-Kobe
User avatar
Phish Tank
RealGM
Posts: 16,863
And1: 9,562
Joined: Nov 09, 2004
Location: Your Timepiece
   

Re: Moar COVID 19 talk. 

Post#2 » by Phish Tank » Fri May 15, 2020 4:20 pm

sigh, these Trumpys
Image

BAF- Houston Rockets:
PG: Fox/Jerome Rob
SG: Huerter/Romeo
SF: PJ Washington/Hunter
PF: Sekou
C: Jaxson Hayes/Smailagic

Inactive: Rubio, Okobo, Waiters, Swanigan, Louis King, Willy
User avatar
King of Canada
Forum Mod - Knicks
Forum Mod - Knicks
Posts: 16,252
And1: 11,815
Joined: Nov 03, 2005
Location: Halifax, Nova Scotia
 

Re: Moar COVID 19 talk. 

Post#3 » by King of Canada » Fri May 15, 2020 4:40 pm

How many times have YOU washed your hands today?
BAF Pacers :king:

RIP mags :beer:
Blockwatcher
Assistant Coach
Posts: 4,219
And1: 2,170
Joined: Jan 23, 2014
Location: In the tank
 

Re: Moar COVID 19 talk. 

Post#4 » by Blockwatcher » Fri May 15, 2020 4:44 pm

Everybody still think Cuomo is doing a good job?
1 John 2 : 15-17
User avatar
HarthorneWingo
Knicks Forum Grandpa's Law
Posts: 59,856
And1: 27,069
Joined: May 16, 2005
   

Re: Moar COVID 19 talk. 

Post#5 » by HarthorneWingo » Fri May 15, 2020 6:51 pm

Read on Twitter
Image
User avatar
Capn'O
Forum Mod - Knicks
Forum Mod - Knicks
Posts: 55,340
And1: 44,998
Joined: Dec 16, 2005
Location: There were giants in those days
 

Re: Moar COVID 19 talk. 

Post#6 » by Capn'O » Fri May 15, 2020 6:57 pm

King of Canada wrote:How many times have YOU washed your hands today?


Damn. A bunch...
BAF Clippers
SGA Ferguson Middleton
DFS Juancho Markieff
Vanderbilt Nurkic Holmes Meyers

RIP Mags :beer:
"Greatness wasn't worth anything if you couldn't share it."-Kobe
User avatar
K-DOT
Forum Mod - Knicks
Forum Mod - Knicks
Posts: 12,537
And1: 17,003
Joined: Nov 25, 2016
         

Re: Moar COVID 19 talk. 

Post#7 » by K-DOT » Fri May 15, 2020 8:15 pm

BAF Lakers:

Darius Garland/Carsen Edwards
Avery Bradley/Malik Monk
Cam Johnson/Keldon Johnson
Darius Bazley/Bol Bol
James Wiseman/Goga Bitadze

rip Josh Jackson's contract
User avatar
HarthorneWingo
Knicks Forum Grandpa's Law
Posts: 59,856
And1: 27,069
Joined: May 16, 2005
   

Re: Moar COVID 19 talk. 

Post#8 » by HarthorneWingo » Sat May 16, 2020 5:51 am

https://www.wptv.com/news/coronavirus/jupiter-man-skeptical-of-coronavirus-gets-infected-changes-opinion

Jupiter man skeptical of coronavirus gets infected, changes opinion
Patient urges encourages people to take virus seriously

By: Chris Gilmore Posted at 10:30 AM, May 13, 2020 and last updated 10:59 AM, May 13, 2020

JUPITER, Fla. — A Jupiter man, who admits he was skeptical that the coronavirus was a real threat, has a new outlook after contracting the virus.

Around this time last month, Jupiter rideshare driver Brian Hitchens was a self-proclaimed COVID-19 skeptic.

“I thought it was maybe the government trying something, and it was kind of like they threw it out there to kinda distract us,” said Hitchens.

He made Facebook posts downplaying the seriousness and sticking to his faith, saying God is bigger than this virus will ever be.

“I'd get up in the morning and pray and trust in God for his protection, and I’d just leave it at that. There were all these masks and gloves. I thought it looks like a hysteria,” Hitchens explained.

Fast forward to this week and Hitchens has a whole new outlook from his hospital bed at Palm Beach Gardens Medical Center as a coronavirus-positive patient.

"I don’t want to see anyone go through what I went through," Hitchens said.

He recently took to social media about his experience, now encouraging people to take the virus seriously.

“This wasn’t some scare tactic that anybody was using. It wasn’t some made-up thing. This was a real virus you gotta take seriously,” Hitchens said.

This hits even closer to home for Hitchens after his wife was admitted to the same hospital at the same time for coronavirus.

"My wife’s on a ventilator. It’s been like that for three weeks, and it’s tough. It’s sad,” said Hitchens.

He and his wife are both still hospitalized at Palm Beach Gardens Medical Center.

Hitchens and his wife aren't able to see each other, and neither is sure when they’ll be discharged.


Before:
Spoiler:
Image

After:
Spoiler:
Image
Image
movingon
Bench Warmer
Posts: 1,420
And1: 124
Joined: Dec 06, 2006

Re: Moar COVID 19 talk. 

Post#9 » by movingon » Sat May 16, 2020 7:12 am

Blockwatcher wrote:Everybody still think Cuomo is doing a good job?


Well, he is somewhat compensating for the failed "leadership" of the federal govt, so I'd say yes.

Do you still believe the Earth is flat?
Jscratch1200
Sophomore
Posts: 117
And1: 113
Joined: Feb 02, 2019
     

Re: Moar COVID 19 talk. 

Post#10 » by Jscratch1200 » Sat May 16, 2020 7:29 am

Was in Green Bay last 2 weeks for work. Yeah, I fully expect Wisconsin to get hit hard. They barely had any restrictions in place. Like 1 in 5 people used a mask in supermarkets. Had many morbidly obese people (because that's what happens when your diet consists of alchohol, meat and cheese) argue that they needed to open back up and allow for herd immunity. These people literally wanted what would possibly be the absolute worst situation for themselves.

My last day there was Wednesday, the same day the court determined that it was unconstitutional to extend the stay at home order. Within 4 hours of that ruling, the bars started to fill up. The funny thing is that work in NJ has been postponed because employees from Wisconsin say they are scared to work in NJ, yet they just opened Wisconsin back up. The situation is pretty mind blowing to me. Just for perspective when I got there, Brown County (Green Bay) had 1,300 cases and are up to 2,000 today. 700 new cases in 10 days.
User avatar
HarthorneWingo
Knicks Forum Grandpa's Law
Posts: 59,856
And1: 27,069
Joined: May 16, 2005
   

Re: Moar COVID 19 talk. 

Post#11 » by HarthorneWingo » Sun May 17, 2020 7:00 am

Welcome to my world
Won't you come on in ...


Here on Long Island:

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/trump-ken-vesey-maskless-covid-19-protester_n_5ebf4aa4c5b62a1e133bf1e6

Read on Twitter


Read on Twitter
?s=20
Image
User avatar
thebuzzardman
RealGM
Posts: 38,317
And1: 30,051
Joined: Jun 24, 2006
Location: IGNOMANIA

Re: Moar COVID 19 talk. 

Post#12 » by thebuzzardman » Mon May 18, 2020 1:40 am

HarthorneWingo wrote:https://www.wptv.com/news/coronavirus/jupiter-man-skeptical-of-coronavirus-gets-infected-changes-opinion

Jupiter man skeptical of coronavirus gets infected, changes opinion
Patient urges encourages people to take virus seriously

By: Chris Gilmore Posted at 10:30 AM, May 13, 2020 and last updated 10:59 AM, May 13, 2020

JUPITER, Fla. — A Jupiter man, who admits he was skeptical that the coronavirus was a real threat, has a new outlook after contracting the virus.

Around this time last month, Jupiter rideshare driver Brian Hitchens was a self-proclaimed COVID-19 skeptic.

“I thought it was maybe the government trying something, and it was kind of like they threw it out there to kinda distract us,” said Hitchens.

He made Facebook posts downplaying the seriousness and sticking to his faith, saying God is bigger than this virus will ever be.

“I'd get up in the morning and pray and trust in God for his protection, and I’d just leave it at that. There were all these masks and gloves. I thought it looks like a hysteria,” Hitchens explained.

Fast forward to this week and Hitchens has a whole new outlook from his hospital bed at Palm Beach Gardens Medical Center as a coronavirus-positive patient.

"I don’t want to see anyone go through what I went through," Hitchens said.

He recently took to social media about his experience, now encouraging people to take the virus seriously.

“This wasn’t some scare tactic that anybody was using. It wasn’t some made-up thing. This was a real virus you gotta take seriously,” Hitchens said.

This hits even closer to home for Hitchens after his wife was admitted to the same hospital at the same time for coronavirus.

"My wife’s on a ventilator. It’s been like that for three weeks, and it’s tough. It’s sad,” said Hitchens.

He and his wife are both still hospitalized at Palm Beach Gardens Medical Center.

Hitchens and his wife aren't able to see each other, and neither is sure when they’ll be discharged.


Before:
Spoiler:
Image

After:
Spoiler:
Image


User avatar
aq_ua
Retired Mod
Retired Mod
Posts: 16,876
And1: 3,482
Joined: May 08, 2002
Location: Optimistic but realistic

Re: Moar COVID 19 talk. 

Post#13 » by aq_ua » Mon May 18, 2020 3:16 am

https://www.statnews.com/2020/05/15/fda-says-abbotts-5-minute-covid-19-test-may-miss-infected-patients/

In a statement, Abbott said that it is seeing studies that use the ID Now test “in ways it was not designed to be used.” The company pointed to recent studies that have had false negative rates of 20%, 10%, and one as low as 6%. In previous statements to news outlets, Abbott has said that the false positive rate of the test was only 0.02%. More than 1.8 million Abbott ID Now tests for the novel coronavirus, SARS-CoV-2, have been distributed, and the test is reportedly in use at the White House.


I have heard 15% is the false negative rate, and in reality the number of infected is likely 10x of published figures. The good news is that it also means the mortality rate is 1/10th of published figures.
User avatar
Phish Tank
RealGM
Posts: 16,863
And1: 9,562
Joined: Nov 09, 2004
Location: Your Timepiece
   

Re: Moar COVID 19 talk. 

Post#14 » by Phish Tank » Mon May 18, 2020 3:16 am

HarthorneWingo wrote:Welcome to my world
Won't you come on in ...


Here on Long Island:

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/trump-ken-vesey-maskless-covid-19-protester_n_5ebf4aa4c5b62a1e133bf1e6

Read on Twitter


Read on Twitter
?s=20


some small pee pee energy over there.
Image

BAF- Houston Rockets:
PG: Fox/Jerome Rob
SG: Huerter/Romeo
SF: PJ Washington/Hunter
PF: Sekou
C: Jaxson Hayes/Smailagic

Inactive: Rubio, Okobo, Waiters, Swanigan, Louis King, Willy
User avatar
HarthorneWingo
Knicks Forum Grandpa's Law
Posts: 59,856
And1: 27,069
Joined: May 16, 2005
   

Re: Moar COVID 19 talk. 

Post#15 » by HarthorneWingo » Mon May 18, 2020 6:08 am

Phish Tank wrote:
HarthorneWingo wrote:Welcome to my world
Won't you come on in ...


Here on Long Island:

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/trump-ken-vesey-maskless-covid-19-protester_n_5ebf4aa4c5b62a1e133bf1e6

Read on Twitter


Read on Twitter
?s=20


some small pee pee energy over there.


Do you live here? They’re all over the place. I can’t seem to avoid them. I’m like a fcking magnet.
Image
User avatar
Phish Tank
RealGM
Posts: 16,863
And1: 9,562
Joined: Nov 09, 2004
Location: Your Timepiece
   

Re: Moar COVID 19 talk. 

Post#16 » by Phish Tank » Mon May 18, 2020 1:57 pm

HarthorneWingo wrote:
Phish Tank wrote:
HarthorneWingo wrote:Welcome to my world
Won't you come on in ...


Here on Long Island:

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/trump-ken-vesey-maskless-covid-19-protester_n_5ebf4aa4c5b62a1e133bf1e6

Read on Twitter


Read on Twitter
?s=20


some small pee pee energy over there.


Do you live here? They’re all over the place. I can’t seem to avoid them. I’m like a fcking magnet.


I don't, but take some pepper spray and use it to full advantage.
Image

BAF- Houston Rockets:
PG: Fox/Jerome Rob
SG: Huerter/Romeo
SF: PJ Washington/Hunter
PF: Sekou
C: Jaxson Hayes/Smailagic

Inactive: Rubio, Okobo, Waiters, Swanigan, Louis King, Willy
User avatar
HarthorneWingo
Knicks Forum Grandpa's Law
Posts: 59,856
And1: 27,069
Joined: May 16, 2005
   

Re: Moar COVID 19 talk. 

Post#17 » by HarthorneWingo » Mon May 18, 2020 5:58 pm

Phish Tank wrote:
HarthorneWingo wrote:
Phish Tank wrote:
some small pee pee energy over there.


Do you live here? They’re all over the place. I can’t seem to avoid them. I’m like a fcking magnet.


I don't, but take some pepper spray and use it to full advantage.


Image
Image
User avatar
gavran
RealGM
Posts: 15,220
And1: 4,958
Joined: Nov 02, 2005
Location: crossing the line

Re: Moar COVID 19 talk. 

Post#18 » by gavran » Mon May 18, 2020 6:39 pm

They have just finished a representative testing study in Hungary, with over 10 thousand participants (17 thousand was chosen, so out of them around 60% volunteered, which is great), and found that at worst 1.1% of the population might have been infected. I don't think you can interpolate these numbers for all countries, but this is extremely low. So long herd immunity.
User avatar
HarthorneWingo
Knicks Forum Grandpa's Law
Posts: 59,856
And1: 27,069
Joined: May 16, 2005
   

Re: Moar COVID 19 talk. 

Post#19 » by HarthorneWingo » Mon May 18, 2020 7:50 pm

Image
User avatar
thebuzzardman
RealGM
Posts: 38,317
And1: 30,051
Joined: Jun 24, 2006
Location: IGNOMANIA

Re: Moar COVID 19 talk. 

Post#20 » by thebuzzardman » Mon May 18, 2020 8:04 pm

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/05/18/key-tool-safe-opening-is-not-social-distancing/

(It's contact tracing and isolation)

Around the world, covid-19 lockdowns are ending — in some cases before the virus has been defeated, meaning that the risk of a second wave of infection is high.

But it is not inevitable. Many places, including South Korea and Hong Kong, have avoided lockdowns entirely and are now returning to something like normal conditions. Even when Hong Kong, where I live, got a second wave, we never went into lockdown, and now new cases are at nearly zero.

The key tool in these places’ safe reopening is not social distancing. Rather, it is contact isolation.

Full coverage of the coronavirus pandemic

This policy, employed to various degrees in China, Israel and elsewhere, is a modern rendition of a strategy dating back to biblical and medieval approaches to leprosy and plague. Contact isolation is more effective than lockdowns and also less economically disruptive.

This is how it works: Most adults are permitted to return to work and routine activities, though masks, for now, should continue to be required. Anytime someone tests positive — regardless of symptoms — their close contacts are identified. The person with the positive test result and all of those contacts are then required to move temporarily into a government-run, hygienic, isolated environment — probably in a hotel or similar setting — until they can be ruled out as infectious. This process may involve testing if tests are available, or spending two or three weeks in isolation if the tests are not. For anyone who tests positive, the tracing program would extend to their close contacts, and so on.


n Hong Kong, many people get out of isolation in just a few days, thanks to the availability of tests. Daily tests per capita in America today are higher than in most countries with contact isolation programs, so it is likely that a similar pattern would occur among Americans.

This strategy is highly effective at breaking the chain of transmission, not least because contacts are presumptively isolated. Thus, contact isolation does not depend on mass testing but, rather, reduces the load on the testing infrastructure.

This system also encourages compliance because the centralized facilities would provide isolated individuals with all their basic needs (plus daily supervision so they would get treatment if they become sick). Food and medication can be delivered, WiFi would be free, and governments should provide financial compensation for lost work time. And, since covid-19 is much less dangerous to kids, families could choose for their children to be quarantined with them or separately, whichever they prefer. All of this would require legislation by state governments, but none of it is infeasible.

Alas, contact isolation sounds scary to many people. It conjures images of internment, stigmatization or family separation. But the truth is that the curtailment of our liberties would be minuscule compared with the society-wide lockdowns Americans have been enduring.

Contact isolation should be mandatory, but individuals who resist should simply be ticketed an amount sufficient to motivate compliance — not hauled off at gunpoint! Failure to pay tickets would trigger the kind of legal procedures we have for serious traffic violations. Some people would refuse, but the threat of fines and the promise of compensatory wages would work for most.

Notably, contact isolation does not require near-total compliance to be effective. Israel has pushed the spread of covid-19 to low levels with very modest amounts of centralized quarantining (just three main sites), alongside a stringent program for tracking carriers.

It’s hard to estimate how much isolation would be enough, but some basic math may be illustrative. Before social distancing measures, a person infected by covid-19 in America could be expected to infect an average of 1.5 to 2 other people. But that’s just an average: A “superspreader” might infect 100 other people, while many infected people might not infect anyone else, so tracking data indicates that more than half of coronavirus transmission is driven by fewer than half of infectious people. Even if this skew is quite moderate, average new infections per case fall to 0.7 to 1 (the level at which the disease will gradually vanish on its own, and the current level in most states) by isolating just 20 to 40 percent of infectious people.

With a few other measures, such as mask requirements — and given the fact that as summer begins, schools definitely won’t reopen soon — I estimate that contact isolation could enable the near-total reopening of businesses and moderate-size assemblies within six weeks. The better the isolation program, the sooner, and the fewer other measures will be needed.

Return to New York Knicks