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Who is #6 on the your big board for the Knicks?

Poll ended at Mon Jun 29, 2020 3:07 pm

Obi Toppin
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15%
Onyeka Okongwu
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Tyrese Haliburton
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36%
Cole Anthony
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6%
Devin Vassell
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17%
Isaac Okoro
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4%
Kira Lewis
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4%
Other (Write in comments)
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6%
 
Total votes: 53

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Post#1 » by mpharris36 » Sun Jun 28, 2020 3:07 pm

The game is simple. There will always be a list of players you can vote on plus one write in option called "other" if you feel the BPA for the knicks isn't able to be voted on. Every day I will tally see who had the most votes and that player will be off the board. Then we will go down #2 and #3 pick ect.....Once someone comes off the list and they win I will add another player to the list (maybe based on write-in options)

You can comment below on why your voting for the above player you selected. Lets also try to keep this Knicks related since a general big board probably doesn't make sense. This game is if you are the knicks GM what would your big board consist of.

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Post#2 » by 3toheadmelo » Sun Jun 28, 2020 3:37 pm

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Post#3 » by jvsimonetti0514 » Sun Jun 28, 2020 3:42 pm

Here’s where the big board gets really interesting. There’s probably like 10 guys that can go here and none of them would be a bad choice either. My pick is Cole Anthony. Microwave scorers always have roles in the NBA. I think he was held back by the lack of spacing and talent on UNC. Colby White had similar struggles to Cole in the same system and had a great rookie year and I’m expecting the same thing to happen here.
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Post#4 » by 3toheadmelo » Sun Jun 28, 2020 3:46 pm

jvsimonetti0514 wrote:Here’s where the big board gets really interesting. There’s probably like 10 guys that can go here and none of them would be a bad choice either. My pick is Cole Anthony. Microwave scorers always have roles in the NBA. I think he was held back by the lack of spacing and talent on UNC. Colby White had similar struggles to Cole in the same system and had a great rookie year and I’m expecting the same thing to happen here.

Coby white shot 39% from the field. How is that great? He ended the season nicely but the majority of the season he was awful

He was also one of the worst defenders in the league by far
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Post#5 » by Zenzibar » Sun Jun 28, 2020 4:13 pm

Obi Toppin is the likely pick here but I will begin my write-ins for Tyrell Terry which fills our biggest need, a franchise point guard.

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Post#6 » by Deeeez Knicks » Sun Jun 28, 2020 4:15 pm

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I think i like Vassell or Haliburton a little better then Deni. They are all kinda close. Overall, i am not sure i am buying Deni has way more upside then tjose guys either.

I may actually lean towards Haliburton for his passing. Even if hes not a high usage pg, there could be some upside as an all around player.

Maybe overall, Onyeka is the best available. I haven't really watched enough of him tbh. Think he is someone that will probably go before our pick, unless we move up. And if we move upwe will probably take someone else.



I think all your points are fair and totally understand your point. I personally obviously have faith in Frank a lot so I think a lot of what Haliburton currently brings Frank also brings for this team. Outside of the shooting which Haliburton already has a track record for a much better shooter).

But if Frank say gets to 35% and lets says early on Haliburton is 38-40% is that enough of a difference without major gaps in all the other areas (passing, defense, basketball iq). To warrant picking him?

I guess if you are someone that doesn't believe in Franks development I think its very fair then to want to select Haliburton that high.


Just responding back to this point, I would not give up on Frank or even Knox, but I dont think we should let them effect our draft decision either. It's tough to project either to be a dependable/good starter at this point. I think Frank can be a solid bench utility guy that can come in and provide some defense..maybe Knox can improve and be a stretch/scoring F off the bench. They should def get more opportunities and a consistent role, just not sure they are good starters.

In terms of Haliburton, he could end up being kind of a Lonzo Ball/Brogdon type which would be great to have and a huge upgrade. He has his flaws, but the things he does well he does really really well and would help us a ton. He looks like the 2nd best passer in the draft and I am buying that his shot will be good. Very high IQ and feel for the game...checks a lot of boxes. Think he would be a really great fit next to RJ too. He gives us some flexibility too in that can still pair another higher usage/aggressive guard next to them and it could work.
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Post#7 » by bigfnjoe96 » Sun Jun 28, 2020 4:20 pm

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Post#8 » by Deeeez Knicks » Sun Jun 28, 2020 4:21 pm

Overall, anyone but Obi though. The guy I least want. After watching years of Curry, Kanter, Randle, etc trying to defend the paint and perimeter on switches and getting torched...I really dont want Obi man. Dont think his offensive game is good enough to make up for it, unless you surround him with studs or play him off the bench. Just dont like bigs like that. They always burn us and are never as valuable as their numbers....especially in todays NBA. Just doesnt make sense for the Knicks at all.
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Post#9 » by blueNorange » Sun Jun 28, 2020 4:35 pm

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Post#10 » by Deeeez Knicks » Sun Jun 28, 2020 4:37 pm

Haliburton is a beast in transition...would be fun watching him, RJ and Mitch run.

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Post#11 » by jvsimonetti0514 » Sun Jun 28, 2020 4:42 pm

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jvsimonetti0514 wrote:Here’s where the big board gets really interesting. There’s probably like 10 guys that can go here and none of them would be a bad choice either. My pick is Cole Anthony. Microwave scorers always have roles in the NBA. I think he was held back by the lack of spacing and talent on UNC. Colby White had similar struggles to Cole in the same system and had a great rookie year and I’m expecting the same thing to happen here.

Coby white shot 39% from the field. How is that great? He ended the season nicely but the majority of the season he was awful

He was also one of the worst defenders in the league by far


I’ll take the L on that. I just remember him having a bunch of 20+ scoring nights before the season got cancelled.
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Post#12 » by mpharris36 » Sun Jun 28, 2020 5:28 pm

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I think i like Vassell or Haliburton a little better then Deni. They are all kinda close. Overall, i am not sure i am buying Deni has way more upside then tjose guys either.

I may actually lean towards Haliburton for his passing. Even if hes not a high usage pg, there could be some upside as an all around player.

Maybe overall, Onyeka is the best available. I haven't really watched enough of him tbh. Think he is someone that will probably go before our pick, unless we move up. And if we move upwe will probably take someone else.



I think all your points are fair and totally understand your point. I personally obviously have faith in Frank a lot so I think a lot of what Haliburton currently brings Frank also brings for this team. Outside of the shooting which Haliburton already has a track record for a much better shooter).

But if Frank say gets to 35% and lets says early on Haliburton is 38-40% is that enough of a difference without major gaps in all the other areas (passing, defense, basketball iq). To warrant picking him?

I guess if you are someone that doesn't believe in Franks development I think its very fair then to want to select Haliburton that high.


Just responding back to this point, I would not give up on Frank or even Knox, but I dont think we should let them effect our draft decision either. It's tough to project either to be a dependable/good starter at this point. I think Frank can be a solid bench utility guy that can come in and provide some defense..maybe Knox can improve and be a stretch/scoring F off the bench. They should def get more opportunities and a consistent role, just not sure they are good starters.

In terms of Haliburton, he could end up being kind of a Lonzo Ball/Brogdon type which would be great to have and a huge upgrade. He has his flaws, but the things he does well he does really really well and would help us a ton. He looks like the 2nd best passer in the draft and I am buying that his shot will be good. Very high IQ and feel for the game...checks a lot of boxes. Think he would be a really great fit next to RJ too. He gives us some flexibility too in that can still pair another higher usage/aggressive guard next to them and it could work.


Understand the logic for sure. I probably have him in the 7 range. So I don't think we differ. I guess I do like Deni upside a bit more which is why I had him above Haliburton but do understand the logic right around this area.

I think im just voting for OO here because I think at this point its too much value to pass up. But if it was a pick between them both I think the Knicks would pick Haliburton due to fit purposes.
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Post#13 » by RHODEY » Sun Jun 28, 2020 5:40 pm

I picked Onyeka Okongwu high floor yet also has a high ceiling. Overlooked because his game isnt sexy - but hell be productive from day one.
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RHODEY wrote:I picked Onyeka Okongwu high floor yet also has a high ceiling. Overlooked because his game isnt sexy - but hell be productive from day one.


agreed. a lot of people mad they don't have bam adebayo on their team...
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Post#15 » by mpharris36 » Sun Jun 28, 2020 5:51 pm

for anyone voting other I would really appreciate you guys putting it in the comment section so that I can add those players next time or if eventually it gets to a point where it will later where other might get highest ranking I need to be able to calculate what the "others" are.
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Post#16 » by 3toheadmelo » Sun Jun 28, 2020 5:55 pm

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RHODEY wrote:I picked Onyeka Okongwu high floor yet also has a high ceiling. Overlooked because his game isnt sexy - but hell be productive from day one.


agreed. a lot of people mad they don't have bam adebayo on their team...

I dont see Bam in him though. He's more of a mobile Wendell Carter
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3toheadmelo wrote:
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RHODEY wrote:I picked Onyeka Okongwu high floor yet also has a high ceiling. Overlooked because his game isnt sexy - but hell be productive from day one.


agreed. a lot of people mad they don't have bam adebayo on their team...

I dont see Bam in him though. He's more of a mobile Wendell Carter


i see that. a little more athletic/above the rim than wendell? but def big, sets good screens, uses his strength similarly.
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Post#18 » by 3toheadmelo » Sun Jun 28, 2020 6:11 pm

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agreed. a lot of people mad they don't have bam adebayo on their team...

I dont see Bam in him though. He's more of a mobile Wendell Carter


i see that. a little more athletic/above the rim than wendell? but def big, sets good screens, uses his strength similarly.

Yeah pretty much. Still a good player. I prefer Obi over him though but I can see the argument for Onyeka
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Post#19 » by mpharris36 » Sun Jun 28, 2020 6:15 pm

3toheadmelo wrote:
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RHODEY wrote:I picked Onyeka Okongwu high floor yet also has a high ceiling. Overlooked because his game isnt sexy - but hell be productive from day one.


agreed. a lot of people mad they don't have bam adebayo on their team...

I dont see Bam in him though. He's more of a mobile Wendell Carter


he def isn't Bam. But Bam was not Bam in college either. He avg under 1 assit per game and here was BAM's scouting reports:

DraftExpress: “Adebayo is a shade undersized for a center, but has the length and athleticism to compensate, as well as a chiseled frame that will allow him to hold his own against NBA big men from day one. He also possesses impressive mobility and agility for his size, which he uses to be the first big man down the floor in transition or switch onto guards in the half-court. … At this point, Adebayo’s offensive game is unrefined, doing most of his damage around the basket. … The development of Adebayo’s skill-level will be a significant factor in his ability to carve out an important role in the NBA.”


The Crossover: “He’s got a great build, works hard on the glass, plays above the rim and doesn’t eat up a ton of touches in order to do his job. That much should translate. He’s made up for a lack of post skills with effort to this point. On the defensive end he’s a work in progress, but has the ability to make an impact protecting the basket with some added polish. If Adebayo’s jumper improves, there could be another level of role player potential here.”


The Ringer: “Projects as an energy big man but needs to improve his awareness and proper technique to stay on the floor. … Quick and explosive leaper with good hands and coordination at the rim. Runs the floor hard. … May never be part of his game, but upside is there if he develops his jumper.”


Draft Express which I think we both agree on is probably the most informative draft analysis on the internet. I think if you replaced "adebayo" with Okongwu in the first word. There are nearly identical.

They both both very well for players there size. They are able to switch and potential guard all 5 positions on the floor. Both cam out of college with solid touch around the rim but questions about shooting potential and it wasn't like Bam was this outstanding passer in college. Part of that could have been due to Callipari system minimizing his players talent for the overall team. But in terms of defense, rebounding, mobility, fluidity, they are very simlar.

Whether OO can develop the certain skills that Bam did after he got in the league. That is all up to interpretation at this point. But as a physical specimine they are very much alike.
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Post#20 » by 3toheadmelo » Sun Jun 28, 2020 6:24 pm

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agreed. a lot of people mad they don't have bam adebayo on their team...

I dont see Bam in him though. He's more of a mobile Wendell Carter


he def isn't Bam. But Bam was not Bam in college either. He avg under 1 assit per game and here was BAM's scouting reports:

DraftExpress: “Adebayo is a shade undersized for a center, but has the length and athleticism to compensate, as well as a chiseled frame that will allow him to hold his own against NBA big men from day one. He also possesses impressive mobility and agility for his size, which he uses to be the first big man down the floor in transition or switch onto guards in the half-court. … At this point, Adebayo’s offensive game is unrefined, doing most of his damage around the basket. … The development of Adebayo’s skill-level will be a significant factor in his ability to carve out an important role in the NBA.”


The Crossover: “He’s got a great build, works hard on the glass, plays above the rim and doesn’t eat up a ton of touches in order to do his job. That much should translate. He’s made up for a lack of post skills with effort to this point. On the defensive end he’s a work in progress, but has the ability to make an impact protecting the basket with some added polish. If Adebayo’s jumper improves, there could be another level of role player potential here.”


The Ringer: “Projects as an energy big man but needs to improve his awareness and proper technique to stay on the floor. … Quick and explosive leaper with good hands and coordination at the rim. Runs the floor hard. … May never be part of his game, but upside is there if he develops his jumper.”


Draft Express which I think we both agree on is probably the most informative draft analysis on the internet. I think if you replaced "adebayo" with Okongwu in the first word. There are nearly identical.

They both both very well for players there size. They are able to switch and potential guard all 5 positions on the floor. Both cam out of college with solid touch around the rim but questions about shooting potential and it wasn't like Bam was this outstanding passer in college. Part of that could have been due to Callipari system minimizing his players talent for the overall team. But in terms of defense, rebounding, mobility, fluidity, they are very simlar.

Whether OO can develop the certain skills that Bam did after he got in the league. That is all up to interpretation at this point. But as a physical specimine they are very much alike.

I said in the other college thread that Bam was making these same plays in high school. In UK, Calipari told him to play strictly as a rim runner.
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Bam in his very first summer league was doing exactly what he's doing right now too. Bam has always been this guy. Ive been posting clips of him that called him point Bam in the BAF thread since way before this season.

Oneyka has a lot more freedom than Bam did in UK but still isn't showing the guard skills that Bam has. They're really both different players.
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