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Re: its time to talk Chris Paul 

Post#361 » by Juco24 » Wed Sep 16, 2020 7:36 pm

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Lmao frank and knox for a 36 year old pg. this typical knicksy moves


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Post#362 » by BLACKFEET 2010 » Wed Sep 16, 2020 7:39 pm

Juco24 wrote:
DaT WaVeY RiCaN wrote:
Read on Twitter
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Lmao frank and knox for a 36 year old pg. this typical knicksy moves


HAS SCOOP EVER BEEN RIGHT?

Yes.
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Re: its time to talk Chris Paul 

Post#363 » by jermsknicks » Wed Sep 16, 2020 8:50 pm

Juco24 wrote:
DaT WaVeY RiCaN wrote:
Read on Twitter
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Lmao frank and knox for a 36 year old pg. this typical knicksy moves


HAS SCOOP EVER BEEN RIGHT?


I am buying the 2021 Draft hype, so I would rather part with Frank than any 2021 picks. This also must mean we are drafting a PG.
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Re: its time to talk Chris Paul 

Post#364 » by Angryfatboy » Wed Sep 16, 2020 9:02 pm

jermsknicks wrote:
Juco24 wrote:
DaT WaVeY RiCaN wrote:
Read on Twitter
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Lmao frank and knox for a 36 year old pg. this typical knicksy moves


HAS SCOOP EVER BEEN RIGHT?


I am buying the 2021 Draft hype, so I would rather part with Frank than any 2021 picks. This also must mean we are drafting a PG.


Are or aren’t? Lol
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Re: its time to talk Chris Paul 

Post#365 » by rajajackal » Wed Sep 16, 2020 9:13 pm

if they're trading frank, i wonder if the idea is to have dsj mentored by his idol. eugh, i get it, but that's quite a gamble. i really don't want to trade frank. just feels like a classic lack of a foresight
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Re: its time to talk Chris Paul 

Post#366 » by 2010 » Wed Sep 16, 2020 9:16 pm

Chris Paul just made All NBA 2nd Team. And you people loathe Knox. Yet you hate that aspect of the deal? I am disapoint.
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Post#367 » by omerome » Wed Sep 16, 2020 9:19 pm

2010 wrote:Chris Paul just made All NBA 2nd Team. And you people loathe Knox. Yet you hate that aspect of the deal? I am disapoint.

Not a fan of paying Paul 38M+ a year just so he can help us win, what? 10 more games this season probably?

Pass.
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Re: its time to talk Chris Paul 

Post#368 » by 2010 » Wed Sep 16, 2020 9:23 pm

omerome wrote:
2010 wrote:Chris Paul just made All NBA 2nd Team. And you people loathe Knox. Yet you hate that aspect of the deal? I am disapoint.

Not a fan of paying Paul 38M+ a year just so he can help us win, what? 10 more games this season probably?

Pass.


I'm not exactly advocating for Paul to NY. I'm just saying people can't say that Knox is hot smoldering garbage but then cry when he is a main piece in obtaining an All NBA 2nd Teamer.

As for pursuing CP. I can see Leon Rose's logic, although I am not actively advocating for it. I think he and Thibs want to start fostering a winning culture and mindset. We need to be competitive like YESTERDAY. Perceptions have to change and it starts in the win column. There is no use in naming Thibs your head coach then not getting him horses. I think the idea is to start winning now while simultaneously using player development to get our kids up to speed. Kind of like a smooth handoff in a relay race.
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Re: its time to talk Chris Paul 

Post#369 » by jermsknicks » Wed Sep 16, 2020 9:27 pm

Angryfatboy wrote:
jermsknicks wrote:
Juco24 wrote:
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I am buying the 2021 Draft hype, so I would rather part with Frank than any 2021 picks. This also must mean we are drafting a PG.


Are or aren’t? Lol


I believe they will draft a PG that CP3 would mold. Giving up Frank and Payton would lead me to believe that. I guess DSJ is a backup, but don't think he will stick around that much longer.
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Re: its time to talk Chris Paul 

Post#370 » by StayWokeNChoke » Wed Sep 16, 2020 9:32 pm

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Lmao frank and knox for a 36 year old pg. this typical knicksy moves

Wow, CP3 for a poo poo platter of NYK free agent & draft mistakes?
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Re: its time to talk Chris Paul 

Post#371 » by F N 11 » Wed Sep 16, 2020 9:32 pm

Scoob B has been right before but that deal is hilarious if you ask me.

Imagine trading away 2 young guys and 2 picks to take on 40 plus Million before trading Randle lmao. I trust all this is BS, just doesn’t make sense.
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Re: its time to talk Chris Paul 

Post#372 » by DaGawd » Wed Sep 16, 2020 9:42 pm

2010 wrote:
omerome wrote:
2010 wrote:Chris Paul just made All NBA 2nd Team. And you people loathe Knox. Yet you hate that aspect of the deal? I am disapoint.

Not a fan of paying Paul 38M+ a year just so he can help us win, what? 10 more games this season probably?

Pass.


I'm not exactly advocating for Paul to NY. I'm just saying people can't say that Knox is hot smoldering garbage but then cry when he is a main piece in obtaining an All NBA 2nd Teamer.

As of for pursuing CP. I can see Leon Rose's logic, although I am not actively advocating for it. I think he and Thibs want to start fostering a winning culture and mindset. We need to be competitive like YESTERDAY. Perceptions have to change and it starts in the win column. There is no use in naming Thibs your head coach then not getting him horses. I think the idea is to start winning now while simultaneously using player development to get our kids up to speed. Kind of like a smooth handoff in a relay race.

I think the main prospect and reason for trading for CP3 is to mentor DSjr.. they're close off the court both being from Carolina. I remember Chris calling Dennis special too last off season and being happy he was traded to the Knicks thinking he would have a chance to break out. Obviously last year that didn't happen but having a Chris in his ear every day could really help expedite and growth Dennis could possibly make and help him realize his potential
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Re: its time to talk Chris Paul 

Post#373 » by JXL » Wed Sep 16, 2020 10:00 pm

Juco24 wrote:
DaT WaVeY RiCaN wrote:
Read on Twitter
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Lmao frank and knox for a 36 year old pg. this typical knicksy moves


HAS SCOOP EVER BEEN RIGHT?


Rather trade 2 2nd rounders than 4 1st rounders. Also rather trade 1 young player than 2. If I had to choose 1 young player, it would be Knox.
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Re: its time to talk Chris Paul 

Post#374 » by thebuzzardman » Wed Sep 16, 2020 10:21 pm

2010 wrote:
omerome wrote:
2010 wrote:Chris Paul just made All NBA 2nd Team. And you people loathe Knox. Yet you hate that aspect of the deal? I am disapoint.

Not a fan of paying Paul 38M+ a year just so he can help us win, what? 10 more games this season probably?

Pass.


I'm not exactly advocating for Paul to NY. I'm just saying people can't say that Knox is hot smoldering garbage but then cry when he is a main piece in obtaining an All NBA 2nd Teamer.

As for pursuing CP. I can see Leon Rose's logic, although I am not actively advocating for it. I think he and Thibs want to start fostering a winning culture and mindset. We need to be competitive like YESTERDAY. Perceptions have to change and it starts in the win column. There is no use in naming Thibs your head coach then not getting him horses. I think the idea is to start winning now while simultaneously using player development to get our kids up to speed. Kind of like a smooth handoff in a relay race.


So, I agree with all your takes, and why they might go for Paul etc.

But this is a risk squared or cubed.

There is the normal risk of trading for a guy who'll be 36/37 and making 40 million per
There is the inevitable "Lolz! Same old Knicks" that will IMMEDIATELY start blasting forth from BSPN and the Twitterverse
There is the risk³ of Paul going down with injury and not playing much and the Knicks will be blasted FULL TIME as a laughingstock in the media. Which nowadays seems to mean around the league, as the players seem to ingest 80% of their information from the semi informed press.

That's a helluva risk for a new POBO/FO to take
Rose's tenure could be over as it starts.

Ok, maybe I'm exaggerating. But the heat the Knicks would take, and the blow to "reputation" and "culture" IF Paul is traded for an then has injury issues would be massive.

This thought just came to me, so anyone feel free to add. I think it's a risk too big to take now.
If Paul was 32 even, without an injury history, sure. I could see it.
But this is a guy who'll be at a pretty advanced bball age, especially for a guard, with a fairly significant injury history.
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That's his last 4 years. Seems more likely he'll play 60 than 70.

Then again, while it's not that great for any player and awful for a guy making 40 million, he's add to culture when playing/practicing, and missing time will add up those losses
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Re: its time to talk Chris Paul 

Post#375 » by 2010 » Wed Sep 16, 2020 10:33 pm

thebuzzardman wrote:
2010 wrote:
omerome wrote:Not a fan of paying Paul 38M+ a year just so he can help us win, what? 10 more games this season probably?

Pass.


I'm not exactly advocating for Paul to NY. I'm just saying people can't say that Knox is hot smoldering garbage but then cry when he is a main piece in obtaining an All NBA 2nd Teamer.

As for pursuing CP. I can see Leon Rose's logic, although I am not actively advocating for it. I think he and Thibs want to start fostering a winning culture and mindset. We need to be competitive like YESTERDAY. Perceptions have to change and it starts in the win column. There is no use in naming Thibs your head coach then not getting him horses. I think the idea is to start winning now while simultaneously using player development to get our kids up to speed. Kind of like a smooth handoff in a relay race.


So, I agree with all your takes, and why they might go for Paul etc.

But this is a risk squared or cubed.

There is the normal risk of trading for a guy who'll be 36/37 and making 40 million per
There is the inevitable "Lolz! Same old Knicks" that will IMMEDIATELY start blasting forth from BSPN and the Twitterverse
There is the risk³ of Paul going down with injury and not playing much and the Knicks will be blasted FULL TIME as a laughingstock in the media. Which nowadays seems to mean around the league, as the players seem to ingest 80% of their information from the semi informed press.

That's a helluva risk for a new POBO/FO to take
Rose's tenure could be over as it starts.

Ok, maybe I'm exaggerating. But the heat the Knicks would take, and the blow to "reputation" and "culture" IF Paul is traded for an then has injury issues would be massive.

This thought just came to me, so anyone feel free to add. I think it's a risk too big to take now.
If Paul was 32 even, without an injury history, sure. I could see it.
But this is a guy who'll be at a pretty advanced bball age, especially for a guard, with a fairly significant injury history.
61
58
58
70

That's his last 4 years. Seems more likely he'll play 60 than 70.

Then again, while it's not that great for any player and awful for a guy making 40 million, he's add to culture when playing/practicing, and missing time will add up those losses


Yeah, it's definitely a risk. Rose acquiring CP is like Brodie acquiring Cano. I think the familiarity with their former client makes them comfortable taking the risk. The main difference is ultimately I don't think the Knicks will be paying the price the Mets paid to obtain the marquee name.
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Re: its time to talk Chris Paul 

Post#376 » by thebuzzardman » Wed Sep 16, 2020 10:36 pm

2010 wrote:
thebuzzardman wrote:
2010 wrote:
I'm not exactly advocating for Paul to NY. I'm just saying people can't say that Knox is hot smoldering garbage but then cry when he is a main piece in obtaining an All NBA 2nd Teamer.

As for pursuing CP. I can see Leon Rose's logic, although I am not actively advocating for it. I think he and Thibs want to start fostering a winning culture and mindset. We need to be competitive like YESTERDAY. Perceptions have to change and it starts in the win column. There is no use in naming Thibs your head coach then not getting him horses. I think the idea is to start winning now while simultaneously using player development to get our kids up to speed. Kind of like a smooth handoff in a relay race.


So, I agree with all your takes, and why they might go for Paul etc.

But this is a risk squared or cubed.

There is the normal risk of trading for a guy who'll be 36/37 and making 40 million per
There is the inevitable "Lolz! Same old Knicks" that will IMMEDIATELY start blasting forth from BSPN and the Twitterverse
There is the risk³ of Paul going down with injury and not playing much and the Knicks will be blasted FULL TIME as a laughingstock in the media. Which nowadays seems to mean around the league, as the players seem to ingest 80% of their information from the semi informed press.

That's a helluva risk for a new POBO/FO to take
Rose's tenure could be over as it starts.

Ok, maybe I'm exaggerating. But the heat the Knicks would take, and the blow to "reputation" and "culture" IF Paul is traded for an then has injury issues would be massive.

This thought just came to me, so anyone feel free to add. I think it's a risk too big to take now.
If Paul was 32 even, without an injury history, sure. I could see it.
But this is a guy who'll be at a pretty advanced bball age, especially for a guard, with a fairly significant injury history.
61
58
58
70

That's his last 4 years. Seems more likely he'll play 60 than 70.

Then again, while it's not that great for any player and awful for a guy making 40 million, he's add to culture when playing/practicing, and missing time will add up those losses


Yeah, it's definitely a risk. Rose acquiring CP is like Brodie acquiring Cano. I think the familiarity with their former client makes them comfortable taking the risk. The main difference is ultimately I don't think the Knicks will be paying the price the Mets paid to obtain the marquee name.


Good analogy with Cano\Mets

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Because that would make it all worth it
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Re: its time to talk Chris Paul 

Post#377 » by 2010 » Wed Sep 16, 2020 10:47 pm

thebuzzardman wrote:
2010 wrote:
thebuzzardman wrote:
So, I agree with all your takes, and why they might go for Paul etc.

But this is a risk squared or cubed.

There is the normal risk of trading for a guy who'll be 36/37 and making 40 million per
There is the inevitable "Lolz! Same old Knicks" that will IMMEDIATELY start blasting forth from BSPN and the Twitterverse
There is the risk³ of Paul going down with injury and not playing much and the Knicks will be blasted FULL TIME as a laughingstock in the media. Which nowadays seems to mean around the league, as the players seem to ingest 80% of their information from the semi informed press.

That's a helluva risk for a new POBO/FO to take
Rose's tenure could be over as it starts.

Ok, maybe I'm exaggerating. But the heat the Knicks would take, and the blow to "reputation" and "culture" IF Paul is traded for an then has injury issues would be massive.

This thought just came to me, so anyone feel free to add. I think it's a risk too big to take now.
If Paul was 32 even, without an injury history, sure. I could see it.
But this is a guy who'll be at a pretty advanced bball age, especially for a guard, with a fairly significant injury history.
61
58
58
70

That's his last 4 years. Seems more likely he'll play 60 than 70.

Then again, while it's not that great for any player and awful for a guy making 40 million, he's add to culture when playing/practicing, and missing time will add up those losses


Yeah, it's definitely a risk. Rose acquiring CP is like Brodie acquiring Cano. I think the familiarity with their former client makes them comfortable taking the risk. The main difference is ultimately I don't think the Knicks will be paying the price the Mets paid to obtain the marquee name.


Good analogy with Cano\Mets

Asking for a friend - if we go through through a few years of low return for the $, will Steve Cohen be buying the Knicks?
Because that would make it all worth it


Well basketball has a cap so it removes the richest owner cache. In baseball Cohen will have a much greater potential impact.
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Re: its time to talk Chris Paul 

Post#378 » by Richard4444 » Wed Sep 16, 2020 10:48 pm

thebuzzardman wrote:So, Portis and Payton are filler and could just about be cut, and the "trade" revolves around getting the Knicks last 2 #1 picks besides RJ, and then 2 2nd round picks

Crafty by Presti as he gets a year to try and buy Frank (in this regard if Knicks aren't high on Frank, they are accelerating his exit by a year) and get Knox controlled for 2 more years. And they get TWO #2 picks in a deep draft where there isn't the same salary commitment as there is with first rounders.

I'd tell Presti to f*ck off on the following:
Frank or Know - and honestly both
The 2021 2nd rounders

Again, if the 2021 draft is the wonderful, deep, double draft, then potentially useful players will fall, at least to the high 2nd Charlotte has. Granted, less likely for the 2nd rounder the Mavs have, which will be 54ish.

*edit*
Trade smells like BS. Why does OKC want two PG's back? What purpose does taking on the salary of Portis AND Payton fulfill when they can trade Paul into the Knicks cap space? Is there any reason the Knicks would want to pick up their option just for this purpose - some subtle cap magic I'm missing?


Maybe OKC are interested in Payton and Portis and fear they cant get them as Free Agent.
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Re: its time to talk Chris Paul 

Post#379 » by StayWokeNChoke » Wed Sep 16, 2020 10:49 pm

thebuzzardman wrote:
2010 wrote:
thebuzzardman wrote:
So, I agree with all your takes, and why they might go for Paul etc.

But this is a risk squared or cubed.

There is the normal risk of trading for a guy who'll be 36/37 and making 40 million per
There is the inevitable "Lolz! Same old Knicks" that will IMMEDIATELY start blasting forth from BSPN and the Twitterverse
There is the risk³ of Paul going down with injury and not playing much and the Knicks will be blasted FULL TIME as a laughingstock in the media. Which nowadays seems to mean around the league, as the players seem to ingest 80% of their information from the semi informed press.

That's a helluva risk for a new POBO/FO to take
Rose's tenure could be over as it starts.

Ok, maybe I'm exaggerating. But the heat the Knicks would take, and the blow to "reputation" and "culture" IF Paul is traded for an then has injury issues would be massive.

This thought just came to me, so anyone feel free to add. I think it's a risk too big to take now.
If Paul was 32 even, without an injury history, sure. I could see it.
But this is a guy who'll be at a pretty advanced bball age, especially for a guard, with a fairly significant injury history.
61
58
58
70

That's his last 4 years. Seems more likely he'll play 60 than 70.

Then again, while it's not that great for any player and awful for a guy making 40 million, he's add to culture when playing/practicing, and missing time will add up those losses


Yeah, it's definitely a risk. Rose acquiring CP is like Brodie acquiring Cano. I think the familiarity with their former client makes them comfortable taking the risk. The main difference is ultimately I don't think the Knicks will be paying the price the Mets paid to obtain the marquee name.


Good analogy with Cano\Mets

Asking for a friend - if we go through through a few years of low return for the $, will Steve Cohen be buying the Knicks?
Because that would make it all worth it

Just got a chubby at the thought of Stevie A buying the NYK and running it like his HF
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Re: its time to talk Chris Paul 

Post#380 » by HarthorneWingo » Wed Sep 16, 2020 10:50 pm

2010 wrote:
thebuzzardman wrote:
2010 wrote:
I'm not exactly advocating for Paul to NY. I'm just saying people can't say that Knox is hot smoldering garbage but then cry when he is a main piece in obtaining an All NBA 2nd Teamer.

As for pursuing CP. I can see Leon Rose's logic, although I am not actively advocating for it. I think he and Thibs want to start fostering a winning culture and mindset. We need to be competitive like YESTERDAY. Perceptions have to change and it starts in the win column. There is no use in naming Thibs your head coach then not getting him horses. I think the idea is to start winning now while simultaneously using player development to get our kids up to speed. Kind of like a smooth handoff in a relay race.


So, I agree with all your takes, and why they might go for Paul etc.

But this is a risk squared or cubed.

There is the normal risk of trading for a guy who'll be 36/37 and making 40 million per
There is the inevitable "Lolz! Same old Knicks" that will IMMEDIATELY start blasting forth from BSPN and the Twitterverse
There is the risk³ of Paul going down with injury and not playing much and the Knicks will be blasted FULL TIME as a laughingstock in the media. Which nowadays seems to mean around the league, as the players seem to ingest 80% of their information from the semi informed press.

That's a helluva risk for a new POBO/FO to take
Rose's tenure could be over as it starts.

Ok, maybe I'm exaggerating. But the heat the Knicks would take, and the blow to "reputation" and "culture" IF Paul is traded for an then has injury issues would be massive.

This thought just came to me, so anyone feel free to add. I think it's a risk too big to take now.
If Paul was 32 even, without an injury history, sure. I could see it.
But this is a guy who'll be at a pretty advanced bball age, especially for a guard, with a fairly significant injury history.
61
58
58
70

That's his last 4 years. Seems more likely he'll play 60 than 70.

Then again, while it's not that great for any player and awful for a guy making 40 million, he's add to culture when playing/practicing, and missing time will add up those losses


Yeah, it's definitely a risk. Rose acquiring CP is like Brodie acquiring Cano. I think the familiarity with their former client makes them comfortable taking the risk. The main difference is ultimately I don't think the Knicks will be paying the price the Mets paid to obtain the marquee name.


Let's not forget the teams that can really use Paul to help get them to the next level. I can't really see Paul wanting to come here to babysit the youth movement.
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