Richard4444 wrote: DickGrayson wrote:
WargamesX wrote:If you believe in this kid both Julius and Obi become a lot more expendable.
Toppin and Luka can co-exist.
I hope you guys are kidding. The odds of Toppin and Luka becoming starting players in a competitive team are very slim. I am rooting for them. But it's like when I root to win the lottery and become a millionaire. I know the odds...
Obi is an awful shooter, a below-average defender, and he doesn't have the size to bully opponents in the paint.
Luka can be a GLeague MVP. But in NBA, he is not very strong to defend the paint and he is not a very consistent shooter to be a reliable offensive threat.
Randle has a better shot to come back as last season Randle eventually than Obi and Luka ever be valuable NBA players.
If we get fair a fair deal, we should look to move Obi and Randle as well...
Obi's shooting hasn't come close to his potential yet. Jimmy Butler was a horrid shooter in his few seasons and he was an older rookie as well. Canceling Obi out and determining he'll be a bad shooter his enitre career is mindless. Especially since our highest paid player is shooting 40% FG and 30% 3PT.
Toppin's defense has been good and superior to Randle.
Toppin plays off the ball and moves around the ball. Julius Randle is 270lbs and still can't bully dudes in the paint, gets block more often than he should. He'll do one play using his body, but the rest shys away from contact and settle for a mid-range jumper.
Luka is still young and developing.
Knicks lost 4 games this season with Randle scoring 30 points. He's absolutely a huge black hole in our offense and defense. His impact on the floor is no different than when we centered our offense around Eddy Curry.
I would even say Luka/Obi are tougher than Julius. Julius is the utilmate diva, cries when fans boo him and only drops 2 points as a response. "But a not-so-funny thing happened on the way to a 31-point tour de force from the closest thing the Knicks have to a franchise player: Randle didnâ€™t make another basket in 34 minutes. Not a single one. He attempted only a half dozen more shots, and missed them all, finishing with two points, or 29 points fewer than were contributed by RJ Barrett. "https://www.change.org/p/julius-randle-stop-using-the-spin-move
Knicks are 3-0 when RJ scores 30 points
Knicks lost 4 games when Randle scores 30 points.
Dude went 8-24 for one game and we lost. How do you front and act like this is our best player when we preform better when RJ is leading us?
"Everything has been a struggle for Randle this year, and this night was no different. He threw up a near-airball from the right wing to end the first half, and a significant portion of the crowd booed him as he walked off the floor. Fans booed him again after he committed a turnover in the fourth quarter, and in the final minutes of the blowout, if only for something else to do, some customers in the rafters sent out a boozy-sounding chant of â€śRandle sucks.â€ť "
Real Randle is the one we saw in the playoffs. He can't handle pressure when more is expected of him. He's soft. He meltdowns in the 4th quarter. Randle is too sensitive for NYC, it's time for you to let go and stop canceling on players who haven't gotten a real opportunity yet and stop upholding guys who played for a contract season and now they got signed, they're playing as a bottom 5 starter in the NBA. There's absolutely no question I would take 95% of other PF's in the NBA over Randle, this includes reserves. He's so ass on defense, he makes Walker look like prime Gary Payton. His offense is even worse than his defense base on the fact Julius thinks he's a QB, yet spin moves results in 3-5 turnovers and shoots worse than most guards.
Randle is always on cruise control and has contributed to nothing. Give me Toppin who can develop a jumper and Luka who looks way more active than Randle has ever looked. If Randle's jumper isn't falling, he's useless. Empty assist and rebounds.
Also, what you're proposing is exactly why Knicks struggle. Giving up on young players and they go elsewhere and blossom. Raptors and Heat capitalize on this. Why can't we? Luka is doing well in the G League and despite Toppin's shot not falling, he can be a 33-35% shooter with good defense. Toppin guards the P n R waaaaaaaaay better than Julius. Julius gets dominated in the paint...so theres no argument to why anyone would play Randle over Toppin for defense. We play better defensively with Toppin on the floor than Randle.
Toppin defensive rating is 102 when he's on the floor and Randle is 110. That is a massive difference. Stop posting lies.