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Re: Knicks Get Reddish per Woj 

Post#1821 » by WargamesX » Sat Jan 15, 2022 7:48 am

Oscirus wrote:So the hawks tried to sneak grimes from us and we said nty, you want the first, you'll take knox :). Not a big deal,but the old front office wouldve given up grimes.


You know it. Then Grimes would have been a reliable part of the Hawks bench and the Knicks would have let Knox walk for nothing.

it’s a good FO. I remember freaking out draft night when they did that Hornets pick trade, but in effect they got a better Wing prospect than anyone they could have drafted at the time.
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Post#1822 » by Spot31 » Sat Jan 15, 2022 7:58 am

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my dream scenario is that we sell Randle, Burks, Fournier, Kemba, Rose, Noel...play the youth the rest of the way...and then after the season Thibs and the Knicks "mutually part ways"...he takes the Lakers job and we get Kenny :D


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Re: Knicks Get Reddish per Woj 

Post#1823 » by HopelessKnick » Sat Jan 15, 2022 10:07 am

I like the deal. Nothing to get overly crazy about but this is the type of low risk-high reward move one can take. The Charlotte pick could have turned into a 16th or 17th pick at best I believe.

Reddish's biggest problem is his low percentage shooting. If he can't significantly improve on those percentages he is not gonna last long in the NBA---BUT there have been examples of players shooting in the thirties in the first years of their careers and then becoming more consistant (Rozier comes to mind). If he can ever stabilize his shooting to where he can hit at least like 43% from the field and 35% from three, he'll be a very very solid 3 and D rotation player.
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Re: Knicks Get Reddish per Woj 

Post#1824 » by stuporman » Sat Jan 15, 2022 1:29 pm

What is this curious quote supposedly from 'Zion tweeted by some no check KY guy that doesn't really make any sense to me... why would Zion go out of his way to say this about IQ?... somebody explain what this is all about.

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Post#1825 » by Oscirus » Sat Jan 15, 2022 1:38 pm

stuporman wrote:What is this curious quote supposedly from 'Zion tweeted by some no check KY guy that doesn't really make any sense to me... why would Zion go out of his way to say this about IQ?... somebody explain what this is all about.

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https://www.sbnation.com/college-basketball/2017/7/15/15977204/zion-williamson-recruiting-kentucky-duke-kansas-immanuel-quickley-package-deal

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Post#1826 » by Chanel Bomber » Sat Jan 15, 2022 1:42 pm

Gobert is much more valuable than Mitchell to the Jazz. He's been more critical to their regular season success.

I know Mitchell had that sensational series against Denver.

But when Gobert gets exposed in the playoffs, that's when Utah get exposed as a team. And there's little Mitchell can do about it.

I think he (Mitchell) isn't worth Utah's probable asking price, even if he's a good player.
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Post#1827 » by DaGawd » Sat Jan 15, 2022 2:21 pm

Chanel Bomber wrote:Gobert is much more valuable than Mitchell to the Jazz. He's been more critical to their regular season success.

I know Mitchell had that sensational series against Denver.

But when Gobert gets exposed in the playoffs, that's when Utah get exposed as a team. And there's little Mitchell can do about it.

I think he (Mitchell) isn't worth Utah's probable asking price, even if he's a good player.

Agreed. If we want to make a move for Mitchell it’s almost a must to have a defensive anchor like Robinson to go along side him
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Re: Knicks Get Reddish per Woj 

Post#1828 » by thebuzzardman » Sat Jan 15, 2022 2:32 pm

Cam Reddish trade theory:

In 2021, the Knicks kicked the Mavs 2021 pick out at least one year, and possibly two, by trading it for a Charlotte pick in 2022 or 2023

In 2022, the Knicks kicked the Charlotte 2022 pick (now called because of the higher CHANCE it will convey) into the 2023 season as they retain Cam through this year and NEXT.

Holes in theory: Knicks could have traded 2022 pick for some 2023 pick right now. At the deadline. In the offseason. During the draft.

I think it's a combination of the Knicks liked taking a chance on Cam's upside, that converting Knox and his salary slot and a conveying 2022 pick into Cam Reddish through 2023 and a 2nd rounder was better value, with possible upside

It fits into the picture that the Knicks are saving assets with a look more towards next season and a move than this one. I don't know who they are targeting and why they are thinking this way, but with the two year deals, kicking out the 2021 pick etc, seems the plan.

I get the reason to kick the 2021 pick out. I mean, even as the Hawks GM stated "All teams like 1st round picks", and we know they have good value in that they have worth that doesn't hit your cap space until you draft, and that teams control the destiny of who they pick, within the context of who is available at that spot.

I think a few things added up, maybe the Knicks looked around, utilized the WWW intel network, saw nothing big coming together this year regarding star forcing their way out, still have someone(s) in mind at next year's deadline, and decided that Cam Reddish was an asset under control through 2023 that would address some team needs, give them a chance to kick tires, and importantly, is an asset of greater or equal value to the 2022 Charlotte pick, which had the unfortunate change in looking to convey sooner than later.
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Re: Knicks Get Reddish per Woj 

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Re: Knicks Get Reddish per Woj 

Post#1830 » by BKlutch » Sat Jan 15, 2022 2:54 pm

Oscirus wrote:So the hawks tried to sneak grimes from us and we said nty, you want the first, you'll take knox :). Not a big deal,but the old front office wouldve given up grimes.



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Re: Knicks Get Reddish per Woj 

Post#1831 » by waya » Sat Jan 15, 2022 3:15 pm

There are still Kenny truthers on here? Yikes
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Post#1832 » by god shammgod » Sat Jan 15, 2022 3:19 pm

Chanel Bomber wrote:Gobert is much more valuable than Mitchell to the Jazz. He's been more critical to their regular season success.

I know Mitchell had that sensational series against Denver.

But when Gobert gets exposed in the playoffs, that's when Utah get exposed as a team. And there's little Mitchell can do about it.

I think he (Mitchell) isn't worth Utah's probable asking price, even if he's a good player.


yeah, i don't think people understand the impact of gobert. when he got injured for awhile a couple years ago they played under .500. now out with covid and -

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Re: Knicks Get Reddish per Woj 

Post#1833 » by nedleeds » Sat Jan 15, 2022 3:31 pm

thebuzzardman wrote:Holes in theory: Knicks could have traded 2022 pick for some 2023 pick right now. At the deadline. In the offseason. During the draft.


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This is my main problem with this trade. It's not even about Reddish. We don't have minutes to even play this guy unless we just never play Obi and Grimes. Even worse if Rose comes back.

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grimes

that's 10 ... Thibs plays like 7. It also assumes Kemba is done.

We also just could have used this pick to consolidate and move up. The Dallas 2023 pick (~20s next year assuming Luka is alive), our pick (13) and the Charlotte pick (21) could become like 8 this year.

We will get pressure to extend Cam Reddish based off like probably ~20 games vs. fake covid opponents. Then we get a year with him and have to deal with him wanting some insane extension along with RJ.

A 1st rounder this year, let's say 8 ... is cost controlled for 3+ years.
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Re: Knicks Get Reddish per Woj 

Post#1834 » by god shammgod » Sat Jan 15, 2022 3:34 pm

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thebuzzardman wrote:Holes in theory: Knicks could have traded 2022 pick for some 2023 pick right now. At the deadline. In the offseason. During the draft.


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This is my main problem with this trade. It's not even about Reddish. We don't have minutes to even play this guy unless we just never play Obi and Grimes. Even worse if Rose comes back.

iq
fournier
rj
burks
randle
mitch
rose
noel
obi
grimes

that's 10 ... Thibs plays like 7. It also assumes Kemba is done.

We also just could have used this pick to consolidate and move up. The Dallas 2023 pick (~20s next year assuming Luka is alive), our pick (13) and the Charlotte pick (21) could become like 8 this year.

We will get pressure to extend Cam Reddish based off like probably ~20 games vs. fake covid opponents. Then we get a year with him and have to deal with him wanting some insane extension along with RJ.

A 1st rounder this year, let's say 8 ... is cost controlled for 3+ years.


yeah, it seems there's little chance they're gonna give cam enough minutes to try to develop him properly. which makes you wonder why they bothered.
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Post#1836 » by Are We Ther Yet » Sat Jan 15, 2022 3:44 pm

god shammgod wrote:
nedleeds wrote:
thebuzzardman wrote:Holes in theory: Knicks could have traded 2022 pick for some 2023 pick right now. At the deadline. In the offseason. During the draft.


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This is my main problem with this trade. It's not even about Reddish. We don't have minutes to even play this guy unless we just never play Obi and Grimes. Even worse if Rose comes back.

iq
fournier
rj
burks
randle
mitch
rose
noel
obi
grimes

that's 10 ... Thibs plays like 7. It also assumes Kemba is done.

We also just could have used this pick to consolidate and move up. The Dallas 2023 pick (~20s next year assuming Luka is alive), our pick (13) and the Charlotte pick (21) could become like 8 this year.

We will get pressure to extend Cam Reddish based off like probably ~20 games vs. fake covid opponents. Then we get a year with him and have to deal with him wanting some insane extension along with RJ.

A 1st rounder this year, let's say 8 ... is cost controlled for 3+ years.


yeah, it seems there's little chance they're gonna give cam enough minutes to try to develop him properly. which makes you wonder why they bothered.


If they don't make any more trades to free up minutes...this trade was a waste of energy for us fans. It will lead to more aggravation. Seeing Burks and Evan..then Kemba/Rose dominate minutes will be frustrating to me. Chasing playoffs with these players is an exercise in futility. A waste of time. Grimes/IQ/Obi/Cam need to play. We also need a real starting PG and move on from one of Kemba/Rose...or both.
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Post#1837 » by Are We Ther Yet » Sat Jan 15, 2022 3:48 pm

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Post#1838 » by Capn'O » Sat Jan 15, 2022 3:56 pm

god shammgod wrote:
Chanel Bomber wrote:Gobert is much more valuable than Mitchell to the Jazz. He's been more critical to their regular season success.

I know Mitchell had that sensational series against Denver.

But when Gobert gets exposed in the playoffs, that's when Utah get exposed as a team. And there's little Mitchell can do about it.

I think he (Mitchell) isn't worth Utah's probable asking price, even if he's a good player.


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Post#1839 » by thebuzzardman » Sat Jan 15, 2022 3:56 pm

god shammgod wrote:
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thebuzzardman wrote:Holes in theory: Knicks could have traded 2022 pick for some 2023 pick right now. At the deadline. In the offseason. During the draft.


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This is my main problem with this trade. It's not even about Reddish. We don't have minutes to even play this guy unless we just never play Obi and Grimes. Even worse if Rose comes back.

iq
fournier
rj
burks
randle
mitch
rose
noel
obi
grimes

that's 10 ... Thibs plays like 7. It also assumes Kemba is done.

We also just could have used this pick to consolidate and move up. The Dallas 2023 pick (~20s next year assuming Luka is alive), our pick (13) and the Charlotte pick (21) could become like 8 this year.

We will get pressure to extend Cam Reddish based off like probably ~20 games vs. fake covid opponents. Then we get a year with him and have to deal with him wanting some insane extension along with RJ.

A 1st rounder this year, let's say 8 ... is cost controlled for 3+ years.


yeah, it seems there's little chance they're gonna give cam enough minutes to try to develop him properly. which makes you wonder why they bothered.


It's still all arguing around the periphery and we don't know the full thought process (ok, if any, lolz) that went into this.

I cover the pick probably conveying sooner than later might have motivated them. In part. They might also like trying out Cam in a kind of win/win that may pay big. Either way, the value of all these possibilities - in and of themselves - is about the same - 2022 pick vs some 2024 pick vs Cam etc.

Yes, I get it removes an asset that could be put into some theoretical trade. I'd assume all this was brought up and the consensus tilted towards this deal, which retained enough flexibility for the bigger picture, while yes, sacrificing some potential theoretical options.
I'm not defending the trade, just what I think prompted it.

Also, other theory:

They were thinking about the trade for a bit, as Cam was known to be on the block, and Dolan pressed them to get the trade done so it removed the Randle vs Fans drama from the press.

Sure as sh*t quieted all that down. To include on here.

Oh. And it's BS Thibs plays 7. Come on.

His rotations have been something like - and PG is hard, because Kemba and Rose have (SHOCKINGLY!) missed so much time:

Kemba/Burks/Rose (pick 2)
Fourskinier/IQ
RJ/Burks (Grimes here when Burks is PG)
Randle/Super small serving of Obi
Mitch/Taj or Sims or Noel

It's 10. Or 9, with a dash of Obi.
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Post#1840 » by Capn'O » Sat Jan 15, 2022 3:57 pm

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