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Predict Banchero's Stats Next Year - Can he average 20ppg?

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Re: Predict Banchero's Stats Next Year - Can he average 20ppg? 

Post#21 » by basketballRob » Fri Jun 24, 2022 2:10 pm

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My god, some of these takes are just hot garbage.

We just added a top 3 pick from a winning organization, and all people have is stuff like "i doubt it leads to any wins!"

Like Jabari was going to take us to the playoffs by camping on the 3 pt line?

Just stop and come to terms.

Adding talent is one stop closer to being competitive, whether he was your player or not.
I think what he meant is we'll have to see how Paolo's defense translates because that's been the knock on him. If you can't be an average defender you have to be really efficient on offense to make up for it.

That's what we went thru with AG, Vuc, and Fournier. All were below average on one side of the ball and not good enough on the other. Even allstars like Carmelo and Blake were sub-par defenders and never big winners.

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Fair point. I wont argue with that and I am also curious to see how his defense translates. On the bright side, WCJ is a great defender and can take the best scorer, and we can always move him onto a center (not named Embiid/Jokic) because his body is big enough
Banchero's going to have to guard the big wings like Giannis, Tatum, and Lebron.

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Re: Predict Banchero's Stats Next Year - Can he average 20ppg? 

Post#22 » by fateis007 » Fri Jun 24, 2022 2:15 pm

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Skybox wrote:21ppg, 8 rpg, 4apg, 35% from 3 on medium volume. ROY...I just hope we win some games. If PB is the guy, we need to restructure the team around him with shooters and D. He and Franz might be great PnR, but we just can't have 5 mediocre shooters on the floor...all this talk of "creation" is true, but somebody needs to finish the job...this was definitely a BPA move, IMO, roster fit be damned for now- which is OK, but I hope the FO gets to work and skips the "assessment year".


tbh, the only guys that are safely part of the new future with PB is Wagner and Carter Jr. I think you are right, the rest of this roster is going to get reshaped around PB. Having a bunch of guards that cannot shoot is not going to work.


It is PB's team now, you can get away with your power forward shooting 30-40% from 3, but if fultz/suggs/cole cant man the guard spots and shoot at least 35% from deep, they have to go. What is the point of having a walking mismatch if your guards can't knock down the open shots he creates and defenses are able to double him with no issues.

Honestly this is my view no matter who we drafted. In todays modern NBA, you cant have guards rotation that shoots that bad. Celtics got away with Marcus smart (in exchange for defensive player of the year) because they have Jalen and Tatum, and guys like Horford creating space.
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Re: Predict Banchero's Stats Next Year - Can he average 20ppg? 

Post#23 » by Skybox » Fri Jun 24, 2022 2:55 pm

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Skybox wrote:21ppg, 8 rpg, 4apg, 35% from 3 on medium volume. ROY...I just hope we win some games. If PB is the guy, we need to restructure the team around him with shooters and D. He and Franz might be great PnR, but we just can't have 5 mediocre shooters on the floor...all this talk of "creation" is true, but somebody needs to finish the job...this was definitely a BPA move, IMO, roster fit be damned for now- which is OK, but I hope the FO gets to work and skips the "assessment year".


tbh, the only guys that are safely part of the new future with PB is Wagner and Carter Jr. I think you are right, the rest of this roster is going to get reshaped around PB. Having a bunch of guards that cannot shoot is not going to work.


It is PB's team now, you can get away with your power forward shooting 30-40% from 3, but if fultz/suggs/cole cant man the guard spots and shoot at least 35% from deep, they have to go. What is the point of having a walking mismatch if your guards can't knock down the open shots he creates and defenses are able to double him with no issues.

Honestly this is my view no matter who we drafted. In todays modern NBA, you cant have guards rotation that shoots that bad. Celtics got away with Marcus smart (in exchange for defensive player of the year) because they have Jalen and Tatum, and guys like Horford creating space.


Agreed. If they took Jabari, one could argue that he's complimentary, makes the team better, spreads the floor, plays D, and MAYBE becomes a big time leading man in a few years. Banchero, IMO, is only a leading man. He is now the face of the franchise and even Franz is supporting cast. If anybody can't keep up or doesn't fit...they have to go. I don't see any chance of PB not starting or not being the primary guy on offense...he will sink or swim. I think he'll be rookie of the year and the surrounding roster moves and internal growth will determine whether ORL gets better or whether PB was the right pick. Jabari was more in line with WeHam's pace or steady, sensible building to this point...I find PB to be a more EXCITING pick, for better or worse. We need some shooters around him to take a big step. The team, as it presently stands, isn't necessarily a perfect fit for our star. We can't be afraid to make roster moves to max out the star we've been clamoring for.

Wouldn't surprise me to see Bamba back on a team-friendly deal. (DET and CHA got their Centers) Who would outbid us for him? 38% from 3 and rim protection makes him a more interesting fit than before -as those are PB's alleged weak areas. I'd be more interested in keeping Harris with a 3 or 4 year deal now as well (rather than an overpay 1 or 2-hopefully, he values the duration vs ring-chasing).
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Re: Predict Banchero's Stats Next Year - Can he average 20ppg? 

Post#24 » by AshBlackstone » Fri Jun 24, 2022 5:09 pm

Less than 12 ppg, and will be extremely inefficient.
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Post#25 » by fateis007 » Fri Jun 24, 2022 5:44 pm

AshBlackstone wrote:Less than 12 ppg, and will be extremely inefficient.



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Post#26 » by OrlMagic05 » Fri Jun 24, 2022 8:18 pm

AshBlackstone wrote:Less than 12 ppg, and will be extremely inefficient.

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Post#27 » by RookieStar » Fri Jun 24, 2022 9:10 pm

1.? We got PB because of his all around offensive game. That means if he is chucking up 20 PPG as a rookie, then his passing and directing the team must have suffered no?

2. IF he does average 20ppg, it's either he is chucking our way to the Webnaya-tank race OR he is the GOAT player in the league soon.
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Post#28 » by Knightro » Fri Jun 24, 2022 9:23 pm

Rookies averaging 20 PPG is quite rare.

It's only happened 38 times in the history of the NBA and only 5 times since 2000.
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Post#29 » by Message Boar » Fri Jun 24, 2022 11:18 pm

I'm thinking they'll look something like this (assuming he's healthy before and during the season):

17.5 ppg
8.0 rbp
4.0 apg
1.0 spg
0.7 bpg
on something like 46%/35%/75% splits
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Post#30 » by Mule Tears » Tue Jun 28, 2022 12:47 pm

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Post#31 » by basketballRob » Tue Jun 28, 2022 12:53 pm

Knightro wrote:Rookies averaging 20 PPG is quite rare.

It's only happened 38 times in the history of the NBA and only 5 times since 2000.
Rookies used to stay in college for 4 years. The 5 in 21 years sounds about right. So less than a 25% chance we have a 20 ppg rookie.

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Re: Predict Banchero's Stats Next Year - Can he average 20ppg? 

Post#32 » by Knightro » Tue Jun 28, 2022 1:49 pm

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Knightro wrote:Rookies averaging 20 PPG is quite rare.

It's only happened 38 times in the history of the NBA and only 5 times since 2000.
Rookies used to stay in college for 4 years. The 5 in 21 years sounds about right. So less than a 25% chance we have a 20 ppg rookie.


I actually misspoke. It's 9 since 2000.

LeBron James, Carmelo Anthony, Kevin Durant, Tyreke Evans, Blake Griffin, Joel Embiid, Donovan Mitchell, Luka Doncic and Zion Williamson.

But you figure there's 60 picks made a year, multiplied by 22 drafts this century, that's 1320 drafted players and 9 of them averaged 20 PPG as rookies. So it's pretty rare.
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Post#33 » by basketballRob » Tue Jun 28, 2022 1:56 pm

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Knightro wrote:Rookies averaging 20 PPG is quite rare.

It's only happened 38 times in the history of the NBA and only 5 times since 2000.
Rookies used to stay in college for 4 years. The 5 in 21 years sounds about right. So less than a 25% chance we have a 20 ppg rookie.


I actually misspoke. It's 9 since 2000.

LeBron James, Carmelo Anthony, Kevin Durant, Tyreke Evans, Blake Griffin, Joel Embiid, Donovan Mitchell, Luka Doncic and Zion Williamson.

But you figure there's 60 picks made a year, multiplied by 22 drafts this century, that's 1320 drafted players and 9 of them averaged 20 PPG as rookies. So it's pretty rare.
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Post#34 » by Magic2030 » Tue Jun 28, 2022 6:42 pm

I think we have 3 potential 20-10 guys in Paulo, Franz, and WCJ.


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Post#35 » by Kent » Tue Jun 28, 2022 8:54 pm

I believe he's capable of it on volume. But Coach Mosely's offense is so spread, especially since we don't play like we have an elite alpha. Of course, Paulo has all the potential to be that.

But I don't think he's going to explode for that kind of average in his first year unless the team defers to him a lot which I don't count on happening.

I would simply be happy to see the potential. Much like we saw what Franz could do with more touches when he had that 40-point game.
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Post#36 » by BlueBlazer » Tue Jun 28, 2022 9:01 pm

Knightro wrote:
basketballRob wrote:
Knightro wrote:Rookies averaging 20 PPG is quite rare.

It's only happened 38 times in the history of the NBA and only 5 times since 2000.
Rookies used to stay in college for 4 years. The 5 in 21 years sounds about right. So less than a 25% chance we have a 20 ppg rookie.


I actually misspoke. It's 9 since 2000.

LeBron James, Carmelo Anthony, Kevin Durant, Tyreke Evans, Blake Griffin, Joel Embiid, Donovan Mitchell, Luka Doncic and Zion Williamson.

But you figure there's 60 picks made a year, multiplied by 22 drafts this century, that's 1320 drafted players and 9 of them averaged 20 PPG as rookies. So it's pretty rare.

Embiid was also 22 y/o during his “rookie” year
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Post#37 » by ogmagicfan » Wed Jun 29, 2022 3:06 am

20 PPG is elite company. My guess is that he'll get over 15 ppg easy, 17-18 ppg is my best bet. He will get the shots.
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Post#38 » by Skybox » Wed Jun 29, 2022 11:02 am

PB could easily get 20 and I hope he does. I'm more concerned about Franz dipping if PB becomes the clear Alpha scorer. Ideally, they both come in at 20/8/5 and develop as a future All-Star duo. PB could easily be a big Cole if they don't click.
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Post#39 » by Furinkazan » Wed Jun 29, 2022 5:07 pm

not enough shots for everybody esp if Cole jacks like 15 each game

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