Start Cole

[anothermagicfan]

other teams dont look to see when Cole comes in and immediately sub in their backup PG's. he spends time against both starters and backups like any other player.

Cole last year at like 31 mpg starting mostly would mean he plays primarily against the opponents starting group. This year at about 25 mpg coming off the bench means most of his time is against the opponents second unit. No not every minute of his playing time is against backups but don't for a second try to argue that he's on the floor versus the same level of competition that a starter is facing.

its a game to game thing. maybe the starter gets in foul trouble, maybe they run different rotations. but my argument stands. opposing players are not dependent on our lineup. Mosely subs in Cole at the 8 minute mark doesnt mean that opposing coach is subbing in their backup PG.

Actually the reason for rotations is based on fatigue. Humans just can't sprint nonstop. Therefore most starters and bench players are on similar rotations throughout the league. When Cole comes in for his stint around the 8 minute mark it's not to sub out fultz. He plays a few minutes in both halves off the ball with fultz still handling lead guard responsibilities.

The majority of Cole's minutes are against backups and not starters.That is a big part of why his play being better this year

[zaymon]

Cole last year at like 31 mpg starting mostly would mean he plays primarily against the opponents starting group. This year at about 25 mpg coming off the bench means most of his time is against the opponents second unit. No not every minute of his playing time is against backups but don't for a second try to argue that he's on the floor versus the same level of competition that a starter is facing.

its a game to game thing. maybe the starter gets in foul trouble, maybe they run different rotations. but my argument stands. opposing players are not dependent on our lineup. Mosely subs in Cole at the 8 minute mark doesnt mean that opposing coach is subbing in their backup PG.

Actually the reason for rotations is based on fatigue. Humans just can't sprint nonstop. Therefore most starters and bench players are on similar rotations throughout the league. When Cole comes in for his stint around the 8 minute mark it's not to sub out fultz. He plays a few minutes in both halves off the ball with fultz still handling lead guard responsibilities.

The majority of Cole's minutes are against backups and not starters.That is a big part of why his play being better this year

Exactly. If Anthony is not playing against backups, he is playing against tired starters.
He also added a floater so its not that he doesnt improved.

[anothermagicfan]

its a game to game thing. maybe the starter gets in foul trouble, maybe they run different rotations. but my argument stands. opposing players are not dependent on our lineup. Mosely subs in Cole at the 8 minute mark doesnt mean that opposing coach is subbing in their backup PG.

Actually the reason for rotations is based on fatigue. Humans just can't sprint nonstop. Therefore most starters and bench players are on similar rotations throughout the league. When Cole comes in for his stint around the 8 minute mark it's not to sub out fultz. He plays a few minutes in both halves off the ball with fultz still handling lead guard responsibilities.

The majority of Cole's minutes are against backups and not starters.That is a big part of why his play being better this year

Exactly. If Anthony is not playing against backups, he is playing against tired starters.
He also added a floater so its not that he doesnt improved.

Cole does play an interesting mix of minutes. Usually longer than other teams backups. So it's also fair to say at the end of his rotations he often sees the opponents starters after a rest although this is usually a brief encounter

[VFX]

I’m happier with Cole at point if it means less Fultz.

$3.6m > $16.5m

The differences aren’t that great for $13m if people are being honest with themselves.

As Knightro said - Better yet start Suggs

[shadrock]

I assumed Fultz would be better at getting others involved, but his assist numbers aren’t that great. And now that he won’t even try 3’s, what is he contributing? I’d be in favor of giving Cole a shot with a healthy starting lineup. His rebounding alone would give us a boost.

Fultz is fine. Hes exactly what we need in our starting 5. Dont forget we prefer Franz/Paolo to be our PnR ball handlers and generally have the ball in their hands as much as possible. That will mean Fultz has less assist numbers, and if all you are looking at is numbers, it wont always be huge. But he gives us heaps of what Cole doesnt:

1) he accepts his role. Cole doesnt.
2) he plays defense and gets steals. Cole doesnt.
3) hes a big 4th qtr performer and gets clutch buckets in the flow of the offense.
4) hes a vocal leader on the court. And im talking proper leadership.
5) hes a proper floor general. He gets guys in their spots. He sets the table.

I couldnt care less about points from the PG spot. I value all of the above 10x more over someone who plays poor D and takes the ball away from Franz and Paolo.

name the last championship team that had a PG that was defense 1st. the game has moved away from that like having a offensive scheme that starts with the center down low

Marcus Smart got pretty close. Infact he would be the prototype of a player id want as a pg for this team.

[jezzerinho]

The argument for starting CA is getting stronger. Both in terms of a regressions by Markelle and further development by Cole.

We're even seeing some actual defence lately from Anthony!

[Skybox]

Cole, at his best, is just the kind of guard we want next to Suggs...not my ideal choice, like a Poole or FVV (or Steph Curry or CJ) type of role. Cole is, at the moment, the closest thing to that archetype and maybe the best backcourt "completion" of Suggs. I like Gary Harris too, but Cole is much more of a creator and ball handler. IF Cole picked up a few pct points on his shooting efficiency and continued his improvement on D (get to "pretty good" at least), he could be the long term guy. I think that's a more sensible experiment, because I really believe Suggs ain't going anywhere and Fultz can't stay without a 'lightning-strike' level improvement in his willingness to shoot 3's (and make them)...Squint a little and imagine for a minute, with 15% overall refinement and some veteran wisdom from experience, how much different is Cole than Poole, Simons, CJ, etc? Scary!

Our roster is basically set for the next 25 games, that's a pretty nice sample size to try and see...I'm for winning games, but, realistically, this would be a real look at our future backcourt, at least in terms of roles. We might find a better Cole in FVV this summer, but stylistically, it'd be interesting to see...(A) We can all agree that Cole has been much better this season and plays in a much more controlled way (B) Last year, he was our leading scorer (16.4), assist guy(5.7), and had 5.4 rpg...maybe there's a point of more efficient equilibrium...or, we upgrade him this summer and he becomes sixth man as expected - but with some more quality PT under his belt.

[Bergmaniac]

name the last championship team that had a PG that was defense 1st. the game has moved away from that like having a offensive scheme that starts with the center down low

The Bucks in 2021.

Lakers the previous year also started two guards who were defence first, though LeBron was the main PG.

I feel the importance of goards defence has become underrated lately, in the playoffs teams have become really adept at exploiting any weakness of the opposing defenses and weaker defenders, even PGs, have a hard time.

On the other hand, Fultz is not Jrue Holiday defensively or anywhere near that level and Cole has improved defensively a lot this season.

[tiderulz]

name the last championship team that had a PG that was defense 1st. the game has moved away from that like having a offensive scheme that starts with the center down low

The Bucks in 2021.

Lakers the previous year also started two guards who were defence first, though LeBron was the main PG.

I feel the importance of goards defence has become underrated lately, in the playoffs teams have become really adept at exploiting any weakness of the opposing defenses and weaker defenders, even PGs, have a hard time.

On the other hand, Fultz is not Jrue Holiday defensively or anywhere near that level and Cole has improved defensively a lot this season.

ok. so all we need is a generational player behind that PG. i would also say, Jrue is a very good defender, but he is more a 2-way PG. he was putting up 18 ppg with 39% from 3.

[basketballRob]

A good defender can completely shut Cole down.

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[Blue_and_Whte]

IDK, I think he’s the perfect spark plug off the bench.if coach is contemplating shaking up the SL I’d rather start Suggs and get as many reps as possible.