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Re: Fultz future 

Post#101 » by swarlesbarkley » Wed Mar 1, 2023 3:11 pm

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Issue is not in the amount of 3pt shots he takes, as he's not likely to connect on them anyway, but that teams do not defend him further than FT line. Him taking 10 3pt shots a game is not gonna change that, teams will gladly give him that shot as he'll just ruin our offense furthermore by shooting them at 25% rate.


True. What I'm saying is he's got to get his midrange form out to the 3 where he can get it off faster and at a higher %. What happens if he uses his midrange form out at the 3? Does 1-2 feet of distance really make a difference? Is it something like he'll have to sit out a b2b if he uses his midrange form at the 3 or more drastic like he'll break down 20 games into the season? We've seen him use his midrange form with a foot on the 3 point line - not sure why can't just move back an extra foot.

When we actually start making a push to win, our FO will have to tell him to fix it. We're not building around him as the centerpiece - he has to be supplemental to Franz and Paolo. If he can't find a way to get defenders to play on him tight to open up lanes for Paolo and Franz, he'll be gone.


I don’t think it is distance related. More off the dribble vs spot up. His free throw is the same as his 3 pointer.


It's gotta be distance related too. If he can do his midrange shot off a stepback, why can't he do the same from 3? He's attempted a couple stepback 3s this season and they don't look at all like his midrange.

fendilim wrote:he has TOS. That’s why his shot changes the further he is from the basket. Lol


It seems like TOS coincidentally kicks in right at 22 feet.

p0peye wrote:Yeah, coaching staff in two franchises somehow missed to asked those questions in past 5 years.


Obviously the coaching staff and FO know what's going on. I'm saying they also know that a modern NBA team can't be successful with more non-space creators than space creators on the floor. So someone's gonna have to tell Fultz that he's going to have to do something to get defenders to guard him out to the 3 in order to keep his starting position with Paolo.
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Re: Fultz future 

Post#102 » by fendilim » Wed Mar 1, 2023 3:33 pm

swarlesbarkley wrote:
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True. What I'm saying is he's got to get his midrange form out to the 3 where he can get it off faster and at a higher %. What happens if he uses his midrange form out at the 3? Does 1-2 feet of distance really make a difference? Is it something like he'll have to sit out a b2b if he uses his midrange form at the 3 or more drastic like he'll break down 20 games into the season? We've seen him use his midrange form with a foot on the 3 point line - not sure why can't just move back an extra foot.

When we actually start making a push to win, our FO will have to tell him to fix it. We're not building around him as the centerpiece - he has to be supplemental to Franz and Paolo. If he can't find a way to get defenders to play on him tight to open up lanes for Paolo and Franz, he'll be gone.


I don’t think it is distance related. More off the dribble vs spot up. His free throw is the same as his 3 pointer.


It's gotta be distance related too. If he can do his midrange shot off a stepback, why can't he do the same from 3? He's attempted a couple stepback 3s this season and they don't look at all like his midrange.

fendilim wrote:he has TOS. That’s why his shot changes the further he is from the basket. Lol


It seems like TOS coincidentally kicks in right at 22 feet.

p0peye wrote:Yeah, coaching staff in two franchises somehow missed to asked those questions in past 5 years.


Obviously the coaching staff and FO know what's going on. I'm saying they also know that a modern NBA team can't be successful with more non-space creators than space creators on the floor. So someone's gonna have to tell Fultz that he's going to have to do something to get defenders to guard him out to the 3 in order to keep his starting position with Paolo.

I believe his range of motion is the problem. The farther he is from the basket, the more it is difficult for him to shoot. It just isn’t evident because with midrange shots because he usually shoots them when he is in motion or with momentum. But if you look at him shoot at a standstill position, the more unorthodox the release the farther he is from the basket.
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Re: Fultz future 

Post#103 » by swarlesbarkley » Wed Mar 1, 2023 4:39 pm

fendilim wrote:
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I don’t think it is distance related. More off the dribble vs spot up. His free throw is the same as his 3 pointer.


It's gotta be distance related too. If he can do his midrange shot off a stepback, why can't he do the same from 3? He's attempted a couple stepback 3s this season and they don't look at all like his midrange.

fendilim wrote:he has TOS. That’s why his shot changes the further he is from the basket. Lol


It seems like TOS coincidentally kicks in right at 22 feet.

p0peye wrote:Yeah, coaching staff in two franchises somehow missed to asked those questions in past 5 years.


Obviously the coaching staff and FO know what's going on. I'm saying they also know that a modern NBA team can't be successful with more non-space creators than space creators on the floor. So someone's gonna have to tell Fultz that he's going to have to do something to get defenders to guard him out to the 3 in order to keep his starting position with Paolo.

I believe his range of motion is the problem. The farther he is from the basket, the more it is difficult for him to shoot. It just isn’t evident because with midrange shots because he usually shoots them when he is in motion or with momentum. But if you look at him shoot at a standstill position, the more unorthodox the release the farther he is from the basket.


That could be. If that's the case, I wonder why we put him in a corner when he's off ball instead of running him around screens to shoot 3s with momentum? It seems like there's a very hard rule for him not to shoot the midrange form out at the 3 for some reason otherwise I assume our coaching staff would be putting him in situations to be successful beyond the arc and open up a ton of space for Paolo/Franz/WCJ.
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Re: Fultz future 

Post#104 » by NavalAviator94 » Wed Mar 1, 2023 5:51 pm

swarlesbarkley wrote:
fendilim wrote:
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It's gotta be distance related too. If he can do his midrange shot off a stepback, why can't he do the same from 3? He's attempted a couple stepback 3s this season and they don't look at all like his midrange.



It seems like TOS coincidentally kicks in right at 22 feet.



Obviously the coaching staff and FO know what's going on. I'm saying they also know that a modern NBA team can't be successful with more non-space creators than space creators on the floor. So someone's gonna have to tell Fultz that he's going to have to do something to get defenders to guard him out to the 3 in order to keep his starting position with Paolo.

I believe his range of motion is the problem. The farther he is from the basket, the more it is difficult for him to shoot. It just isn’t evident because with midrange shots because he usually shoots them when he is in motion or with momentum. But if you look at him shoot at a standstill position, the more unorthodox the release the farther he is from the basket.


That could be. If that's the case, I wonder why we put him in a corner when he's off ball instead of running him around screens to shoot 3s with momentum? It seems like there's a very hard rule for him not to shoot the midrange form out at the 3 for some reason otherwise I assume our coaching staff would be putting him in situations to be successful beyond the arc and open up a ton of space for Paolo/Franz/WCJ.


These are great questions we would all like to know. The reality is he needs to hit the 3 if he wants to be a starting pg in this league. I like that we're giving him some room to grow and figure it out after what he's been through but even Fultz knows his future depends on his ability to draw defenders outside of the paint.
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Re: Fultz future 

Post#105 » by swarlesbarkley » Wed Mar 1, 2023 5:56 pm

NavalAviator94 wrote:
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fendilim wrote:I believe his range of motion is the problem. The farther he is from the basket, the more it is difficult for him to shoot. It just isn’t evident because with midrange shots because he usually shoots them when he is in motion or with momentum. But if you look at him shoot at a standstill position, the more unorthodox the release the farther he is from the basket.


That could be. If that's the case, I wonder why we put him in a corner when he's off ball instead of running him around screens to shoot 3s with momentum? It seems like there's a very hard rule for him not to shoot the midrange form out at the 3 for some reason otherwise I assume our coaching staff would be putting him in situations to be successful beyond the arc and open up a ton of space for Paolo/Franz/WCJ.


These are great questions we would all like to know. The reality is he needs to hit the 3 if he wants to be a starting pg in this league. I like that we're giving him some room to grow and figure it out after what he's been through but even Fultz knows his future depends on his ability to draw defenders outside of the paint.


For sure. I love every other aspect of his game and I hope he figures it out because Fultz with a 3 + Paolo + Franz is something I'd sign up to watch for the next decade.
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Post#106 » by p0peye » Wed Mar 1, 2023 6:46 pm

Fultz with a 3pt shot would be great, hell I am on a limb here but he would be possibly better than Elfrid with 3pt shot. Add healthy Isaac, Bamba with motor, rim protector in Vucevic that can defend in space and we got a contender without even adding playmaking iso-king wings in AG and Hezonja that can shoot and defend.
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Re: Fultz future 

Post#107 » by Audi » Wed Mar 1, 2023 8:34 pm

p0peye wrote:Fultz with a 3pt shot would be great, hell I am on a limb here but he would be possibly better than Elfrid with 3pt shot. Add healthy Isaac, Bamba with motor, rim protector in Vucevic that can defend in space and we got a contender without even adding playmaking iso-king wings in AG and Hezonja that can shoot and defend.


No limb. Elfrid completely lacked a consistent motor. I've never seen even a hint of that problem from Fultz, so right there he's the better of the two.
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Re: Fultz future 

Post#108 » by p0peye » Wed Mar 1, 2023 9:53 pm

Audi wrote:
p0peye wrote:Fultz with a 3pt shot would be great, hell I am on a limb here but he would be possibly better than Elfrid with 3pt shot. Add healthy Isaac, Bamba with motor, rim protector in Vucevic that can defend in space and we got a contender without even adding playmaking iso-king wings in AG and Hezonja that can shoot and defend.


No limb. Elfrid completely lacked a consistent motor. I've never seen even a hint of that problem from Fultz, so right there he's the better of the two.


Damn right. Here, I stand corrected.
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Re: Fultz future 

Post#109 » by yoyojw17 » Wed Mar 1, 2023 10:10 pm

p0peye wrote:Fultz with a 3pt shot would be great, hell I am on a limb here but he would be possibly better than Elfrid with 3pt shot. Add healthy Isaac, Bamba with motor, rim protector in Vucevic that can defend in space and we got a contender without even adding playmaking iso-king wings in AG and Hezonja that can shoot and defend.


and so can be said about any player when someone wants to focus on their weaknesses. haha.

Needless to say... what would be good also is.... Paolo and franz start knocking down the open three Markelle affords them.... or cut into gaps that are created as players collapse on him.

But... i trust they will all start to figure it all out as they play together. But yup... like everyone else i do hope that markelle improves and takes more threes.... builds his confidence and helps stretch the floor. But... i won't subscribe to saying that that is the only way we will succeed in general. :-)
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Re: Fultz future 

Post#110 » by Skin » Wed Mar 1, 2023 11:46 pm

p0peye wrote:Fultz with a 3pt shot would be great

Name of every player on the team with a 3pt shot would be great

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