2022-2023 Regular Season Game 63: Orlando Magic (26-36) at Milwaukee Bucks (44-17) - 8pm

[JoshuaPotter]

Finally got to catch up on this. **** this game tbh.

The current product of the NBA annoys me but we have to adapt this roster in order to compete. The lack of shooting and spacing leaves us with such little margin of error.

Yea i would like to say that I, personally HATE this current state of nba.
Lazy defense, or no defense at all and 3 point barage.

I think the next team that builds the next dynasty will be a defensive powerhouse and evolve the game by slowing it down again and taking away the perimeter shot.

[pepe1991]

Finally got to catch up on this. **** this game tbh.

The current product of the NBA annoys me but we have to adapt this roster in order to compete. The lack of shooting and spacing leaves us with such little margin of error.

Yea i would like to say that I, personally HATE this current state of nba.
Lazy defense, or no defense at all and 3 point barage.

I think the next team that builds the next dynasty will be a defensive powerhouse and evolve the game by slowing it down again and taking away the perimeter shot.

It's very hard to slow up the pace when other teams just play like it's pickup game, inbound ball, at first pass they are crossing half court in next 3 seconds they are shooting.
In addition nba officiating in favor of offensive players is complete joke to make it possible for teams to defend. People walk, double dribble, carry ball at every angle, make "eurostep" that is cute name for quadra step ... It's just bad. I'm not crying for Spurs- Pistons 2007 to return, but some balance would be nice.

Watch on YouTube

if you have 30 min of spare time to watch, i recommend it. Majority of things that were offensive fouls in basketball ( like initiating contact with shoulder in chest) are no longer offensive fouls, matter of fact ,you can be called for defensive foul if you push person with chest.... And how off ball hand now allows offensive player to sweep defender without being called for foul ( something GIannis does at almost every layup ) . Basically, rules are stacked in such a favor for offensive players that it's no suprise that near every single average player is now 18-20 ppg player.

[msmoore66]

Finally got to catch up on this. **** this game tbh.

The current product of the NBA annoys me but we have to adapt this roster in order to compete. The lack of shooting and spacing leaves us with such little margin of error.

Yea i would like to say that I, personally HATE this current state of nba.
Lazy defense, or no defense at all and 3 point barage.

I am shocked to learn this....

[JoshuaPotter]

Finally got to catch up on this. **** this game tbh.

The current product of the NBA annoys me but we have to adapt this roster in order to compete. The lack of shooting and spacing leaves us with such little margin of error.

Yea i would like to say that I, personally HATE this current state of nba.
Lazy defense, or no defense at all and 3 point barage.

I am shocked to learn this....

narrator : he wasn't.

[Ducklett]

The issue most certainly isn't that the Magic lost to the Bucks. The Bucks are awesome and a legitimate NBA title contender. No shame in losing to them.

The issue is *how* they lost to the Bucks and how it's representative of a much bigger long-term problem for the Magic.

The margin for error gets slimmer and slimmer when you're consistently attempting significanly fewer threes than your opponent.

I'm trying to look at this more broadly than just this season.

I ask myself the following questions...

What's going to be easier for the Magic to accomplish over the next few seasons?

Paolo and Franz improve into such good 3PT shooters that they're able to overcome a low volume/low accuracy 3PT shooting backcourt?

or

The Magic acquire high volume/high accuracy 3PT shooters to surround Paolo and Franz and their ability to make plays thrives with better spacing and pass options?

For me, it's certainly the latter.

Another simple way to spin it:

Are you going to build a team who compliment our current top 2 options, Paolo & Franz's strengths & weakness

OR

Are you going to hold off on building a team that compliments their game, because you want to believe the 4th option (Fultz) can work with them and build a contender when their games don't compliment each other at all...

Building a team, and having more care for the 4th option than the clear 1st/2nd option, is just insanity. I'm very thankful that all the Fultz fanboys are not in our front office, because moving with this kinda mentality is the best way to make sure Paolo & Franz leave the Magic ASAP.

I have a sneaking suspicion this board will turn on Paolo and Franz in 2-3 years if they don't become league above average 3 point shooters.

[pepe1991]

The issue most certainly isn't that the Magic lost to the Bucks. The Bucks are awesome and a legitimate NBA title contender. No shame in losing to them.

The issue is *how* they lost to the Bucks and how it's representative of a much bigger long-term problem for the Magic.

The margin for error gets slimmer and slimmer when you're consistently attempting significanly fewer threes than your opponent.

I'm trying to look at this more broadly than just this season.

I ask myself the following questions...

What's going to be easier for the Magic to accomplish over the next few seasons?

Paolo and Franz improve into such good 3PT shooters that they're able to overcome a low volume/low accuracy 3PT shooting backcourt?

or

The Magic acquire high volume/high accuracy 3PT shooters to surround Paolo and Franz and their ability to make plays thrives with better spacing and pass options?

For me, it's certainly the latter.

Another simple way to spin it:

Are you going to build a team who compliment our current top 2 options, Paolo & Franz's strengths & weakness

OR

Are you going to hold off on building a team that compliments their game, because you want to believe the 4th option (Fultz) can work with them and build a contender when their games don't compliment each other at all...

Building a team, and having more care for the 4th option than the clear 1st/2nd option, is just insanity. I'm very thankful that all the Fultz fanboys are not in our front office, because moving with this kinda mentality is the best way to make sure Paolo & Franz leave the Magic ASAP.

I have a sneaking suspicion this board will turn on Paolo and Franz in 2-3 years if they don't become league above average 3 point shooters.

Franz is 37% three point shooter today. His TS% is near 60%, well above average.
Only objective critic about Franz's game is his lack of rebounding for size. ( and even that is nitpicking, along with no mid range game and being kind a predictable when teams know he will take shot ). But those things are minor.

[pepe1991]

Yea i would like to say that I, personally HATE this current state of nba.
Lazy defense, or no defense at all and 3 point barage.

I am shocked to learn this....

narrator : he wasn't.

i swear, i'm not as negative in real life like it seems here

[jonbob17]

I agree. I am sure we could get Corey Kispert from the Wizards for both our 1sts this year.

I know everyone is on FVV's jock, but I would give any amount of money to sign Desmond Bane. Dude would revolutionize our offense minute one.

The problem is that Memphis doesn't want money. They want a trophy. IF you want Bane would you move Franz?

Bane is the pipe dream, but Franz is untouchable at all costs. Paolo as well.
Moe also as long as Franz wants him here.

We just need to find the next Desmond Bane. What's the profile? Lights out shooter, great athlete, short arms. Doesn't sound like a WeltHam kind of guy, but even they must know they gotta add some shooting by now.

[VFX]

The problem is that Memphis doesn't want money. They want a trophy. IF you want Bane would you move Franz?

Bane is the pipe dream, but Franz is untouchable at all costs. Paolo as well.
Moe also as long as Franz wants him here.

We just need to find the next Desmond Bane. What's the profile? Lights out shooter, great athlete, short arms. Doesn't sound like a WeltHam kind of guy, but even they must know they gotta add some shooting by now.

Jett Howard. 6’8 215 jumbo sized physical Shooting guard. He’s like either of those Memphis guys Dillon Brooks and Desmond Bane.

[msmoore66]

I am shocked to learn this....

narrator : he wasn't.

i swear, i'm not as negative in real life like it seems here

Haha! You are just voicing what most of us are thinking, just without a filter

[jezzerinho]

I am shocked to learn this....

narrator : he wasn't.

i swear, i'm not as negative in real life like it seems here

The world has enough problems!

[ogmagicfan]

The issue most certainly isn't that the Magic lost to the Bucks. The Bucks are awesome and a legitimate NBA title contender. No shame in losing to them.

The issue is *how* they lost to the Bucks and how it's representative of a much bigger long-term problem for the Magic.

The margin for error gets slimmer and slimmer when you're consistently attempting significanly fewer threes than your opponent.

I'm trying to look at this more broadly than just this season.

I ask myself the following questions...

What's going to be easier for the Magic to accomplish over the next few seasons?

Paolo and Franz improve into such good 3PT shooters that they're able to overcome a low volume/low accuracy 3PT shooting backcourt?

or

The Magic acquire high volume/high accuracy 3PT shooters to surround Paolo and Franz and their ability to make plays thrives with better spacing and pass options?

For me, it's certainly the latter.

Another simple way to spin it:

Are you going to build a team who compliment our current top 2 options, Paolo & Franz's strengths & weakness

OR

Are you going to hold off on building a team that compliments their game, because you want to believe the 4th option (Fultz) can work with them and build a contender when their games don't compliment each other at all...

Building a team, and having more care for the 4th option than the clear 1st/2nd option, is just insanity. I'm very thankful that all the Fultz fanboys are not in our front office, because moving with this kinda mentality is the best way to make sure Paolo & Franz leave the Magic ASAP.

I have a sneaking suspicion this board will turn on Paolo and Franz in 2-3 years if they don't become league above average 3 point shooters.

There will be posters who will talk down at them even if Paolo becomes a top 5-10 player & Franz becomes top 20-25 in the league, it happens with other top tier stars on other teams.

Franz is already on good trajectory and should become above avg, he needs to raise his release point on his jumper though.

If Paolo can become a 35-37% 3 pt shooter with decent volume, that's more than enough. I'm not expecting 40%+ and he doesn't have to be to be one of the best in the league

[VFX]

Another simple way to spin it:

Are you going to build a team who compliment our current top 2 options, Paolo & Franz's strengths & weakness

OR

Are you going to hold off on building a team that compliments their game, because you want to believe the 4th option (Fultz) can work with them and build a contender when their games don't compliment each other at all...

Building a team, and having more care for the 4th option than the clear 1st/2nd option, is just insanity. I'm very thankful that all the Fultz fanboys are not in our front office, because moving with this kinda mentality is the best way to make sure Paolo & Franz leave the Magic ASAP.

I have a sneaking suspicion this board will turn on Paolo and Franz in 2-3 years if they don't become league above average 3 point shooters.

There will be posters who will talk down at them even if Paolo becomes a top 5-10 player & Franz becomes top 20-25 in the league, it happens with other top tier stars on other teams.

Franz is already on good trajectory and should become above avg, he needs to raise his release point on his jumper though.

If Paolo can become a 35-37% 3 pt shooter with decent volume, that's more than enough. I'm not expecting 40%+ and he doesn't have to be to be one of the best in the league

Nobody should be worried about Franz and Paolo right now. It’s year 2 and 1 respectively.

People should be worrying about the FO finding the complimentary back court to pair with them to highlight their strengths and downplay their weaknesses.

Right now the back court doesn’t do that. The FO has a few opportunities this off-season to figure it out through the draft and free agency. For example, a Giannis led team without Holiday and good shooters isn’t winning a championship.

I’m not even really concerned about the C spot with JI on limited minutes.

[[whistler]]

I am shocked to learn this....

narrator : he wasn't.

i swear, i'm not as negative in real life like it seems here

You just need to balance out some of that negativity. More "this is what (player) or (team) did right." Bring some of that analytical analysis to highlight positive things.

[jonbob17]

Bane is the pipe dream, but Franz is untouchable at all costs. Paolo as well.
Moe also as long as Franz wants him here.

We just need to find the next Desmond Bane. What's the profile? Lights out shooter, great athlete, short arms. Doesn't sound like a WeltHam kind of guy, but even they must know they gotta add some shooting by now.

Jett Howard. 6’8 215 jumbo sized physical Shooting guard. He’s like either of those Memphis guys Dillon Brooks and Desmond Bane.

pass unless our pick falls to late lottery or worse. Howard's kind of a zero everywhere but the shooting. He's Caleb Houstan with a better basketball name.