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Post#21 » by drsd » Tue Feb 5, 2008 11:51 am

Jordan-esque wrote:Off-topic: Drsd, who/what/where/when is that guy doing a backflip 180 dunk on your avi?


Abdoul Bamba. He is part of the French show termed Slamnation.


Here's a link of a better version of this dunk:
Abdoul Bamba on YouTube Link


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Post#22 » by Max Power » Tue Feb 5, 2008 2:04 pm

Rashard Lewis for Lamar Odom? No way. People all the sudden see Hedo as this wonderful player (and he is) but it's because of the fact that Shard is here. It's opened up things for Hedo. Odom is a good player, he's never healthy. Shard missed like 2 games this year, and played through a the same injury for a couple of weeks. I'll stick with him...he beat the Pistons.
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Post#23 » by SFranklin » Tue Feb 5, 2008 2:26 pm

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Aww shucks, we are stuck with a 6'10'' stud who leads the league in 3's. What a burden.


Weelll then Mr. Man. If you'd like to have a discussion about this we can do that.

Yes we're 'stuck' paying a 28 year old who averages 18 points 5 boards, and 2 assists 120 MIIILLLION dollars... I repeat.. 120 MILLLION dollars.

Now I wasn't going to elaborate on this because I feel many of you already know the burden that comes with this and are probably tired of hearing about it. So I apologize.

So what IS this burden?... Some of you ask, well why didn't we get Gasol?... Or WHY didn't we go after this guy, or the other? Because we CAN'T. We're financially strapped because we put all of our eggs in the Rashard basket.. I really don't understand how any of you can possibly defend this signing. He's making Lebron, D-Wade, Arenas type money, and he's not even in the same ball park as these players.

For goodness sake HEDO is better than Shard, and he makes just about 1/3 of what Shard makes. L-Deng is better than Shard, AND younger, and he wanted 50 mil less than what Shard took. Sorry, *rant off*
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Post#24 » by Gerhalt11 » Tue Feb 5, 2008 2:49 pm

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Post#25 » by Optimus_Steel » Tue Feb 5, 2008 3:19 pm

I been saying this for a while, the Magic dont need to trade Hedo or Lewis, just need to add a foward that is a good rebounder and decent defender for when they need to match up with tougher frontlines. Doesnt have to be a spectucular player, just someone that does the dirty work well.
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Post#26 » by surflawyer » Tue Feb 5, 2008 3:46 pm

prorl wrote:I been saying this for a while, the Magic dont need to trade Hedo or Lewis, just need to add a foward that is a good rebounder and decent defender for when they need to match up with tougher frontlines. Doesnt have to be a spectucular player, just someone that does the dirty work well.


I am officially at a cross road. prorl if we get that PF who goes to the bench. Rashard? Probably not (see $$$$$). If Hedo goes to the bench our starting 5 loses several scoring opportunities in exchange for defense and rebounds. Is Rashard as good with Hedo on the bench? Is Hedo going to be good if he is on the floor without Lewis' threat. Do we completely screw up the cohesiveness of our team. Maybe we are just a decent team that occasionally gets worked by a more physical team; we win when we out score the other team. I dont know.

Im begining to believe that ........ oh who am I kidding. I dont know what to believe anymore. :roll:
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Post#27 » by Optimus_Steel » Tue Feb 5, 2008 3:59 pm

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I am officially at a cross road. prorl if we get that PF who goes to the bench. Rashard? Probably not (see $$$$$). If Hedo goes to the bench our starting 5 loses several scoring opportunities in exchange for defense and rebounds. Is Rashard as good with Hedo on the bench? Is Hedo going to be good if he is on the floor without Lewis' threat. Do we completely screw up the cohesiveness of our team. Maybe we are just a decent team that occasionally gets worked by a more physical team; we win when we out score the other team. I dont know.

Im begining to believe that ........ oh who am I kidding. I dont know what to believe anymore. :roll:


Well Lewis and Hedo would move down to SF and SG. I dont see y not.
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Post#28 » by mhectorgato » Tue Feb 5, 2008 4:42 pm

prorl wrote:Well Lewis and Hedo would move down to SF and SG. I dont see y not.


AIverson
Dwayne Wade
Jason Terry
Rip Hamilton
Vince Carter
Loul Deng
Joe Johnson

etc ...
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Post#29 » by Optimus_Steel » Tue Feb 5, 2008 4:45 pm

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AIverson
Dwayne Wade
Jason Terry
Rip Hamilton
Vince Carter
Loul Deng
Joe Johnson

etc ...



Obviously it wouldnt work agaisnt every team but what i proposed was more situational. Also, those guys would have to guard a mobile/skilled 6'10 guy too. That would be tough for them. Agaisnt AI, Wade, Terry thats another story, u def need a Dooling type for those guys.
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Post#30 » by MagicMadness » Tue Feb 5, 2008 10:39 pm

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and then boom goes this topic
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Post#31 » by N4U|Redux » Tue Feb 5, 2008 10:48 pm

mhectorgato wrote:AIverson
Dwayne Wade
Jason Terry
Rip Hamilton
Vince Carter
Loul Deng
Joe Johnson

etc ...


Don't forget:
Kobe
Roy
JRich
Redd
Crawford
Ellis
Manu
Gordon
Tmac
Kevin Martin
Ricky Davis
Raja Bell

prorl wrote:Obviously it wouldnt work agaisnt every team but what i proposed was more situational. Also, those guys would have to guard a mobile/skilled 6'10 guy too. That would be tough for them. Agaisnt AI, Wade, Terry thats another story, u def need a Dooling type for those guys.


As detailed above, Hedo would get destroyed by at least half of the SGs in the league. Hell, he'd even be afraid to see him matched up with freaking Deshawn Stevenson.

I play Hedo at the 2-guard on NBA live, but it won't work in reality.

Also, nice preaching of a good offense translating to a strong defense. I like the Suns mentality that "oh, Jason Terry will have to be matched up with Hedo pwnage..."
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Post#32 » by richboy » Wed Feb 6, 2008 1:12 am

Your a better team with Odom. Every aspect of the game improves except shooting and personally you have enough shooting. I would do this trade in a second. Odom is a actual tradeable contract.

Hedo at SG seems to be in the in thing these days. You would think he would have played a ton of minutes at SG with all the assumption that he can just slide over and play there. Hedo may have a lot of problems guarding and being guarded by quicker players. If he can't play SG then who heads to the bench.
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Post#33 » by Cammo101 » Wed Feb 6, 2008 1:20 am

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Weelll then Mr. Man. If you'd like to have a discussion about this we can do that.

Yes we're 'stuck' paying a 28 year old who averages 18 points 5 boards, and 2 assists 120 MIIILLLION dollars... I repeat.. 120 MILLLION dollars.

Now I wasn't going to elaborate on this because I feel many of you already know the burden that comes with this and are probably tired of hearing about it. So I apologize.

So what IS this burden?... Some of you ask, well why didn't we get Gasol?... Or WHY didn't we go after this guy, or the other? Because we CAN'T. We're financially strapped because we put all of our eggs in the Rashard basket.. I really don't understand how any of you can possibly defend this signing. He's making Lebron, D-Wade, Arenas type money, and he's not even in the same ball park as these players.

For goodness sake HEDO is better than Shard, and he makes just about 1/3 of what Shard makes. L-Deng is better than Shard, AND younger, and he wanted 50 mil less than what Shard took. Sorry, *rant off*


We would have all these same problems if Rashard was making a couple million less at his percieved market value. The couple extra million Shard makes over his market value doesn't effect us getting another name player anymore than Battie or Jameer's deal. People make a big deal out of Rashard being overpaid without ever saying why it is bad. The Magic could easily have gotten Gasol with Shard still in the fold. Yes, Shard is overpaid. No, it hasn't harmed anything. The Magic didn't get Gasol because they already have 2 all star calliber forwards. The Magic need a PG, and can easily add one at the deadline if they choose to, even with Rashard on the payroll.

And, I will say it again, Hedo is having the year he is having based in LARGE PART to Rashard spreading the floor and allowing Hedo free reign to the driving lanes. This seems to be convienantly forgotten by pretty much everyone. Without Shard teams would do what they did last year, sag the lane to double Dwight and keep Hedo out of the paint. Both Dwight and Hedo are having career years now that Shard is here, coincidence???
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Post#34 » by Cammo101 » Wed Feb 6, 2008 1:22 am

IMO we don't need a starting banger PF, just one who can play minutes off the bench. Hedo and Shard should stay starting at SF and PF, but we need the ability to go with a more rugged lineup when necessary. No need to shift Hedo to SG.
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Post#35 » by richboy » Wed Feb 6, 2008 2:10 am

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We would have all these same problems if Rashard was making a couple million less at his percieved market value. The couple extra million Shard makes over his market value doesn't effect us getting another name player anymore than Battie or Jameer's deal. People make a big deal out of Rashard being overpaid without ever saying why it is bad. The Magic could easily have gotten Gasol with Shard still in the fold. Yes, Shard is overpaid. No, it hasn't harmed anything. The Magic didn't get Gasol because they already have 2 all star calliber forwards. The Magic need a PG, and can easily add one at the deadline if they choose to, even with Rashard on the payroll.

And, I will say it again, Hedo is having the year he is having based in LARGE PART to Rashard spreading the floor and allowing Hedo free reign to the driving lanes. This seems to be convienantly forgotten by pretty much everyone. Without Shard teams would do what they did last year, sag the lane to double Dwight and keep Hedo out of the paint. Both Dwight and Hedo are having career years now that Shard is here, coincidence???


Your assuming they could easily get Gasol. Really I think the Lakers package is better and if they wanted could have been much better than the Magic.

Hedo not having a better year because Rashard. Hedo having a better year because with no Grant Hill and with no ballhandlers on the floor he is pretty much the number 1 perimeter option and playmaker. Last year Hedo had Rashard role of weakside 3 point shooting. He watched Grant Hill, Jameer, and in the past Steve Francis do that role. This year Hedo plays strong side with the basketball. He running much of the pick-n-roll and getting a ton of one on one chances.

Rashard market value is a lot more than just a few million less. How it effects this team is if you decide that Rashard isnt good enough to get you a title. The flexibility of moving him is pretty much gone especially when you look at the second half of his contract.

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