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Re: Official Speculation Thread 2016 volume VI: The Rise of the SWAT team 

Post#1981 » by OrlandoDream » Thu Dec 1, 2016 6:19 pm

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Bensational wrote:Ibaka has really stepped up since the OKC game awakening. He, Vuc and Fournier are finally figuring out how to carry the load for the team, and Elf and DJ are doing their bit to add an extra boost of scoring punch.

I don't think any of Ibaka/Vuc/Fournier have a significantly higher gear they can shift into consistently, but I think they've got the capacity to continue growing as teammates with much stronger chemistry. By the end of the season they might have that kind of awareness that an Atlanta or Boston offense have.

Ive always maintained that teams need a scorer who can take over to go far in the playoffs, but if we've got elite defense on a nightly basis then we just need to ride the hot hand from night to night and we might surprise teams that way?

Our offense rides in the hands of those 3. They have been looking better as of recently but Ibaka has really gotten into season form from his early struggles. He's been our most consistent player recently. Vuc is getting back to his usual self too.

The Ibaka/Evan/Vuc trio will have the a good chunk of the scoring load most nights. It's those bench players and the AG/EP that need to find ways to get more points.

As far as Ibaka, I'm hoping we keep him but the way he is playing, he is drawing some interest. If we trade him, it's going to have to be for something that's assures a high pick and I don't see Boston parting with that BKN pick for Ibaka rental. I think we are going to keep him. RH has already said he wants him here long term. We just need a decent scoring SF that can play within Vogels defense. Hayward is my dream target but I really feel we should try and acquire Wilson Chandler. Great fit here too,


didnt we have a player very much like like Chandler? think his name was Tobias Harris. SF, can shoot the 3 but not great, good rebounder, not a great passer. 24 yrs old instead of 29. He didnt go over too well here after 2 seasons.

You can thank your boys Skiles and Martin for that one.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread 2016 volume VI: The Rise of the SWAT team 

Post#1982 » by The Other Ankle » Thu Dec 1, 2016 6:23 pm

Close this SPEC thread and open a new one!

And a game thread too!
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Post#1983 » by Blue_and_Whte » Thu Dec 1, 2016 6:27 pm

Omg get over Harris already. I'm hoping AG gets put of his funk.

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Post#1984 » by OrlandoNed » Thu Dec 1, 2016 6:34 pm

Blue_and_Whte wrote:Omg get over Harris already. I'm hoping AG gets put of his funk.

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What funk? His shooting funk? Gordon's shooting woes are less of a funk, but more of par for the course. This funk is not going to end until he's done wasting any more time at SF and gets his butt back to PF.
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Post#1985 » by BadMofoPimp » Thu Dec 1, 2016 7:01 pm

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Blue_and_Whte wrote:Omg get over Harris already. I'm hoping AG gets put of his funk.

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What funk? His shooting funk? Gordon's shooting woes are less of a funk, but more of par for the course. This funk is not going to end until he's done wasting any more time at SF and gets his butt back to PF.


I am not sold on AG being a solid outside shooter ever. And, people complain about Elf . . .
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Post#1986 » by PennytoShaq » Thu Dec 1, 2016 7:02 pm

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Blue_and_Whte wrote:Omg get over Harris already. I'm hoping AG gets put of his funk.

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What funk? His shooting funk? Gordon's shooting woes are less of a funk, but more of par for the course. This funk is not going to end until he's done wasting any more time at SF and gets his butt back to PF.


Not sure if he is wasting time. As much as I like him at PF, I have to say what he did against Leonard was special and lends credence to the Magic playing him at SF.
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Post#1987 » by Blue_and_Whte » Thu Dec 1, 2016 7:09 pm

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Blue_and_Whte wrote:Omg get over Harris already. I'm hoping AG gets put of his funk.

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What funk? His shooting funk? Gordon's shooting woes are less of a funk, but more of par for the course. This funk is not going to end until he's done wasting any more time at SF and gets his butt back to PF.


Not sure if he is wasting time. As much as I like him at PF, I have to say what he did against Leonard was special and lends credence to the Magic playing him at SF.

I don't think Gordon can replicate what Ibaka is currently bringing us at the 4 spot. let him play the 3.
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Post#1988 » by OrlandoNed » Thu Dec 1, 2016 7:12 pm

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Blue_and_Whte wrote:Omg get over Harris already. I'm hoping AG gets put of his funk.

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What funk? His shooting funk? Gordon's shooting woes are less of a funk, but more of par for the course. This funk is not going to end until he's done wasting any more time at SF and gets his butt back to PF.


Not sure if he is wasting time. As much as I like him at PF, I have to say what he did against Leonard was special and lends credence to the Magic playing him at SF.

Gordon is a really good defender at SF, but he's terrible offensively which kind of cancels out his overall effectiveness. If Gordon is going to succeed at SF he has to play next to DJ, Fournier and Ibaka as much as possible and most of all, stop taking so many pullup jumpers and attack. the. freaking. rim. Gordon absolutely has to master scoring in the paint before he expands his game outside of it.
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Post#1989 » by PennytoShaq » Thu Dec 1, 2016 7:12 pm

Blue_and_Whte wrote:
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OrlandoNed wrote:What funk? His shooting funk? Gordon's shooting woes are less of a funk, but more of par for the course. This funk is not going to end until he's done wasting any more time at SF and gets his butt back to PF.


Not sure if he is wasting time. As much as I like him at PF, I have to say what he did against Leonard was special and lends credence to the Magic playing him at SF.

I don't think Gordon can replicate what Ibaka is currently bringing us at the 4 spot. let him play the 3.


Yes, definitely.

The alternative option is sliding both of them down. I think the Magic will consider that only if they get an opportunity for a real stud SF.
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Post#1990 » by PennytoShaq » Thu Dec 1, 2016 7:13 pm

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OrlandoNed wrote:What funk? His shooting funk? Gordon's shooting woes are less of a funk, but more of par for the course. This funk is not going to end until he's done wasting any more time at SF and gets his butt back to PF.


Not sure if he is wasting time. As much as I like him at PF, I have to say what he did against Leonard was special and lends credence to the Magic playing him at SF.

Gordon is a really good defender at SF, but he's terrible offensively which kind of cancels out his overall effectiveness. If Gordon is going to succeed at SF he has to play next to DJ, Fournier and Ibaka as much as possible and most of all, stop taking so many pullup jumpers and attack. the. freaking. rim. Gordon absolutely has to master scoring in the paint before he expands his game outside of it.


He needs that jumper. You don't just get in the paint without a jumper, unless you are a super fast PG like Elf.
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Post#1991 » by OrlandoNed » Thu Dec 1, 2016 7:16 pm

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Not sure if he is wasting time. As much as I like him at PF, I have to say what he did against Leonard was special and lends credence to the Magic playing him at SF.

I don't think Gordon can replicate what Ibaka is currently bringing us at the 4 spot. let him play the 3.


Yes, definitely.

The alternative option is sliding both of them down. I think the Magic will consider that only if they get an opportunity for a real stud SF.

Vogel needs to get his game plan out of the Stone Age, and play some small ball lineups with Gordon at 4 and Ibaka at 5 on occasion, period.
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Post#1992 » by OrlandoNed » Thu Dec 1, 2016 8:20 pm

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Not sure if he is wasting time. As much as I like him at PF, I have to say what he did against Leonard was special and lends credence to the Magic playing him at SF.

Gordon is a really good defender at SF, but he's terrible offensively which kind of cancels out his overall effectiveness. If Gordon is going to succeed at SF he has to play next to DJ, Fournier and Ibaka as much as possible and most of all, stop taking so many pullup jumpers and attack. the. freaking. rim. Gordon absolutely has to master scoring in the paint before he expands his game outside of it.


He needs that jumper. You don't just get in the paint without a jumper, unless you are a super fast PG like Elf.

1. Players, especially athletic ones, absolutely can get into the paint without a jump shot. Proper floor spacing would allow Gordon to get into the paint much easier with the guards and other forward who can shoot on the perimeter and the center setting a proper screen to help him beat his man.

2. Payton is not super fast. Fast yes, super fast no.
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Post#1993 » by PennytoShaq » Thu Dec 1, 2016 8:21 pm

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Blue_and_Whte wrote:I don't think Gordon can replicate what Ibaka is currently bringing us at the 4 spot. let him play the 3.


Yes, definitely.

The alternative option is sliding both of them down. I think the Magic will consider that only if they get an opportunity for a real stud SF.

Vogel needs to get his game plan out of the Stone Age, and play some small ball lineups with Gordon at 4 and Ibaka at 5 on occasion, period.



I've been saying the same thing. And then we beat the Spurs using our bigs against all their lineups (they went real small at one point). At that point I have to remind myself that Frank knows way more than I do about ball.
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Post#1994 » by SOUL » Thu Dec 1, 2016 8:22 pm

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