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Re: Magic sign Jonathon Simmons 

Post#301 » by Furinkazan » Tue Oct 17, 2017 5:19 pm

PennytoShaq wrote:
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tiderulz wrote:
we dont know if he is a better leader yet. And he is very inefficient and extremely bad at 3 pt shots. extremely, extremely bad.

yeah and we hated Oladpio 3 pt %
I wish Simmons was as bad of a 3pt shooter as Dipo is now
If he coulds shoot like Dipo is shooting now
wow what a steal he would be.


Oladipo's career % is under 35%. His best year was 36% last year with the Thunder.

Simmon's best year was 38% with the Spurs.

He could definitely shoot the 3 as well as Oladipo can, and already has done better than Victor ever has.


If he gave us what Dipo gave Thunder last year which as you said is 36% in that department
Id be extatic
That was the only thing I wanted to say.So far this preseason shooting below 30% which is not so smexy.
Time will tell.
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Re: Magic sign Jonathon Simmons 

Post#302 » by OrlChamps2030 » Tue Oct 17, 2017 5:35 pm

PennytoShaq wrote:
~Snoopy~ wrote:
tiderulz wrote:
we dont know if he is a better leader yet. And he is very inefficient and extremely bad at 3 pt shots. extremely, extremely bad.

yeah and we hated Oladpio 3 pt %
I wish Simmons was as bad of a 3pt shooter as Dipo is now
If he coulds shoot like Dipo is shooting now
wow what a steal he would be.


Oladipo's career % is under 35%. His best year was 36% last year with the Thunder.

Simmon's best year was 38% with the Spurs.

He could definitely shoot the 3 as well as Oladipo can, and already has done better than Victor ever has.


Lol dude Simmons made 18 3’s the year he shot 38%. And that was for the Spurs too. I like him but let’s not make him into something he’s not. With his tenacity on both ends and his shotcreating ability I would be more than happy if he can show he’s a league average shooter this year.
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Re: Magic sign Jonathon Simmons 

Post#303 » by PennytoShaq » Tue Oct 17, 2017 8:08 pm

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PennytoShaq wrote:
tiderulz wrote:
we dont know if he is a better leader yet. And he is very inefficient and extremely bad at 3 pt shots. extremely, extremely bad.


How? His career % is 32%.

Nothing extremely bad about that at all, sorry.


sample size of his shooting before last season is below 50 attemps. ( 18-47 ). He is 15-40 from 3 in playoffs. Overall he took just bit over 200 threes in his nba career. There is no much reason to belive he will be much better than 30-32% for 3, and given that nba average for 3 is around 35,5% it makes him below average shooter.

also to say that his "passing ability is top notch" is pretty biased toward one game that he had in preseason. In same preseason, in first 3 games he had grand total of 1 assist- combined. His last season numbers in assists are average. ( 1,6 assist in 18 mpg on elite ball moving team )

I like Simmons, i belive he can be solid role player, but with all data we have , it's pretty clear that Oladipo is better player. True question is would you prefer Simmons on his salary over Dipo on his.


I never said his passing ability was top notch.

I am simply showing that the DATA on Simmons shows that he has shot 38% from 3 in a season. A small samples size, yes - just like your example. Additionally, you lean on data too much. Guys can get better at shooting 3s.You made this same argument already about AG and that so far this preseason has blown up in your face

Additionally, Simmons is a better defender than Oladipo. It's not pretty clear at all that Oladipo is a better player to me. I would put them in a similar tier, but I much prefer Simmon's game so far. He has much more intensity and IQ on defense and while his offensive game is not super efficient, I see how he can improve there. Oladipo still has the same poor shot release, still can't make layups and still makes poor decisions on defense.
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Re: Magic sign Jonathon Simmons 

Post#304 » by PennytoShaq » Tue Oct 17, 2017 8:10 pm

Zmill wrote:
PennytoShaq wrote:
~Snoopy~ wrote:yeah and we hated Oladpio 3 pt %
I wish Simmons was as bad of a 3pt shooter as Dipo is now
If he coulds shoot like Dipo is shooting now
wow what a steal he would be.


Oladipo's career % is under 35%. His best year was 36% last year with the Thunder.

Simmon's best year was 38% with the Spurs.

He could definitely shoot the 3 as well as Oladipo can, and already has done better than Victor ever has.


Lol dude Simmons made 18 3’s the year he shot 38%. And that was for the Spurs too. I like him but let’s not make him into something he’s not. With his tenacity on both ends and his shotcreating ability I would be more than happy if he can show he’s a league average shooter this year.


Lol dude, the point is that Simmons is not an extremely,extremely bad 3 point shooter. No one is making him into anything he is not. I believe he can shoot 35% from 3. I am not saying he will be a league leader in 3's.

People rave about Oladipo shooting from 3 - it was barely better than Simmons.
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Re: Magic sign Jonathon Simmons 

Post#305 » by PennytoShaq » Tue Oct 17, 2017 8:13 pm

tiderulz wrote:
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tiderulz wrote:he is shooting 28% for us. that is extremely bad for a wing. that is pretty bad for a PF/C shooting 3's.


Ok, so you are going to base it off his preseason stats in a new offense? He is just figuring his spots out. The regular season numbers already show that he is not an extremely bad shooter. It's just simply not true.

ok. He shot 29% last season, trending down from the previous year. He just doesnt seem to be a good 3 pt shooter.


That's fine. You went from "extremely, extremely bad" to "doesn't seem to be good", which is a more reasonable argument.
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Re: Magic sign Jonathon Simmons 

Post#306 » by tiderulz » Wed Oct 18, 2017 12:18 am

PennytoShaq wrote:
tiderulz wrote:
PennytoShaq wrote:
Ok, so you are going to base it off his preseason stats in a new offense? He is just figuring his spots out. The regular season numbers already show that he is not an extremely bad shooter. It's just simply not true.

ok. He shot 29% last season, trending down from the previous year. He just doesnt seem to be a good 3 pt shooter.


That's fine. You went from "extremely, extremely bad" to "doesn't seem to be good", which is a more reasonable argument.

sub 30% 3 pt shooting from a wing is really bad
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Re: Magic sign Jonathon Simmons 

Post#307 » by Gomagic44 » Wed Oct 18, 2017 3:09 am

At least he has a pair, and a sense of dignity. Our team last year was full of passive betas. Someone else can make the shots!

I’m sure elf has a much worse percentage for the position.


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Re: Magic sign Jonathon Simmons 

Post#308 » by Dubious Kitty » Sat Oct 28, 2017 12:49 pm

Well well well, look who's been a better leader for us than dipo

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