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dalton749 wrote:drsd wrote:dalton749 wrote:I doubt Vogel is enjoy his time in Orlando.
Remember when he looked like this?
Now it is this:
Lmao. Every time we play you guys I think, ‘man he’s let himself go’.
FFBlitzace wrote:"Assistant coach on a top team" has always been one of the lazier categories of coaching candidates. And how often does it work? Almost never. I hope we don't just grab a Toronto assistant for that reason, in addition to Weltman's ties there. Chad Forcier is an assistant on a garbage team and I think he's the more intriguing coaching candidate.
fendilim wrote:Marc Stein reporting Magic expected to replace Frank.
Nemesis21 wrote:fendilim wrote:Marc Stein reporting Magic expected to replace Frank.
Neither he or Woj has tweeted anything about it. Link?
fendilim wrote:Nemesis21 wrote:fendilim wrote:Marc Stein reporting Magic expected to replace Frank.
Neither he or Woj has tweeted anything about it. Link?
RaptorsLife wrote:HI raptors fan here.
Stackhouse is fantastic as raptors 905 coach. last year won champion. this year number 1 in East again
he coaches the exact opposite of how he played. Ball movement and defense heavy emphasis. Last year I enjoyed watching raptors 905 more than the raptors lol.
with weltman there makes complete sense. Stackhouse holds players accountable. Thought he was gonna wait for UNC job but this makes sense too
Change was the goal when the Raptors hired Nick Nurse, an offensive guru from the (then) D-League, in the summer of 2013. Nurse came in for an interview, and on an office whiteboard drew the offense he envisioned: different starting points, reads, passes, options. "The framework of what we are doing now," Nurse says, "was up on that board."
Dwane Casey, the team's head coach, liked Nurse's ideas. For various reasons, they never made it onto the court for long. Perhaps no one felt enough urgency until Cleveland swept them and Ujiri spoke out.
"We were working so hard," says Jakob Poeltl, Toronto's precocious backup center, "for not very good shots."
Nurse started with the young guys -- Poeltl, Pascal Siakam, Norman Powell, OG Anunoby, Delon Wright, Fred VanVleet -- at informal workouts in Los Angeles, and then in Las Vegas for summer league. As James Herbert of CBS Sports detailed, they played pickup with new rules: Corner 3s earned four points, and any shot between the paint and the 3-point arc counted as minus-1. Nurse strongly encouraged anyone who grabbed an offensive rebound to dunk or kick the ball out to a 3-point shooter, though he did not mandate it as he had during his time in Houston's D-League lab. (Back then, he banned midrange shots in practice.)
Players passed up good shots for great ones. They stretched their playmaking skills, and that was the point: When opponents keyed on DeRozan and Lowry, these guys -- these unknown kiddos -- would have to do something. So would Ibaka and Valanciunas, behemoth screen-setters who froze outside the paint. Touching it more might invigorate other parts of their games, and inspire more focused effort on defense.
Selling DeRozan and Lowry might prove harder. "Go to any superstar and say, 'We're changing our offense, and we're taking some of your minutes away,'" Casey says. "So many would look at you sideways and tell you to take a leap."
DeRozan was diligent, but it wasn't easy at first. Lowry verbalized his frustration early in the season. "They were a little resistant at times, to be honest," Nurse says. "Even still, Kyle has these moments when he's kicking out passes, and guys are missing, and he's getting pissed."
But they saw it working, and surrendered some control. DeRozan got better at the random, improvisational bobs and weaves the offense requires. The results are inarguable: Toronto ranks third in points per possession, jacking almost nine more 3s per game than last season. They're only a so-so shooting team -- it is their most worrisome weakness -- but trading 2s for 3s increases their margin for error.
PrimeShaq wrote:RaptorsLife wrote:HI raptors fan here.
Stackhouse is fantastic as raptors 905 coach. last year won champion. this year number 1 in East again
he coaches the exact opposite of how he played. Ball movement and defense heavy emphasis. Last year I enjoyed watching raptors 905 more than the raptors lol.
with weltman there makes complete sense. Stackhouse holds players accountable. Thought he was gonna wait for UNC job but this makes sense too
What do you think about Nick Nurse as a candidate for us? I've heard he's had a lot to do with the Raptors revamping their offense this year. Casey speaks glowingly about him. I think we will give him a serious look.
not saying he is ideal butNightman wrote:Part of me thinks we need a disciplinarian-type coach to change our culture, but then I remember how Skiles was a flop here.
fendilim wrote:not saying he is ideal butNightman wrote:Part of me thinks we need a disciplinarian-type coach to change our culture, but then I remember how Skiles was a flop here.
Flop? Hes had the most wins in our rebuild...
Nemesis21 wrote:Two college coaches who's names I will throw out there if Vogel is let go, Eric Mussleman(former Magic assistant) at Nevada and Chris Mack at Xavier.
Howard Mass wrote:When a President of Basketball Operations or General Manager gets hired, they usually want to bring in their own coach.
The Magic told candidates they wanted whoever came in to stick with Frank Vogel for this coming season.
I like Frank Vogel but given the circumstances, I feel it would be best for both sides to part ways.
The Magic are going to be rebuilding at least for another 1-2 years and the culture desperately needs to change here while Vogel might be better off in another situation.
This will allow Weltman to bring in his own guy and begin an offseason where some trades of veteran players appear likely.
PrimeShaq wrote:RaptorsLife wrote:HI raptors fan here.
Stackhouse is fantastic as raptors 905 coach. last year won champion. this year number 1 in East again
he coaches the exact opposite of how he played. Ball movement and defense heavy emphasis. Last year I enjoyed watching raptors 905 more than the raptors lol.
with weltman there makes complete sense. Stackhouse holds players accountable. Thought he was gonna wait for UNC job but this makes sense too
What do you think about Nick Nurse as a candidate for us? I've heard he's had a lot to do with the Raptors revamping their offense this year. Casey speaks glowingly about him. I think we will give him a serious look.
