Official Speculation Thread Pt.LXII

Neon1 · Post #1061 » by **Neon1** » Sun Nov 10, 2013 10:37 pm

Bensational wrote: Although I can't lie, seeing MCW tear it up in a starter's role and keeping Philly legit definitely makes me wonder what Oladipo could do in a similar role.

Oladipo is being given the chance to completely dominate the ball, his usage is at 27.4%, which is insanely high and actually kind of shocking because of how much he stood in the background at Indiana University. He had never shown the traits to be as shoot 1st and ball dominant as he has been with us, which leads me to believe it is by design (of the Magic).

We can't really complain of his role in the offense itself, because of how much of it he is allowed to go for his own he actually seems to have the green light. The only adjust would be for more playing time.

Going by what he has produced thus far this is what he would average in 36 minutes per game.

16.8ppg 6.1rpg 4.7apg 2.2spg 0.8bpg with 5.7tov while on pretty low percentages (.405 .333 .716*).

rcklsscognition · Post #1062 » by **rcklsscognition** » Sun Nov 10, 2013 10:41 pm

^I agree, it's just minutes at this point. They're letting Oladipo run the point while Jameer plays 2 guard. That's an organizational decision.

MagicStarwipe · Post #1063 » by **MagicStarwipe** » Sun Nov 10, 2013 10:50 pm

I've never seen someone work so hard in all my life to average 20PPG as I have Afflalo. He really makes the most of his limited ability and athleticism. The guy is 6'5" and can't dunk! I'm interested to see if his shooting percentages hold up.

Post #1064 » by **Def Swami** » Sun Nov 10, 2013 11:12 pm

I just don't see how Afflalo is to blame for "being good" or given minutes that could go to Moe of VO. I give the man props for being a professional and showing up to do his job on a rebuilding team. He's not hindering the development of anyone on the team, and I doubt he alone ruins the tank. I don't even think you can be mad at Vaughn or the front office. Playing time is and will always be merit-based. I would love nothing more than to see Moe and VO out-play Afflalo for it.

Post #1065 » by **Def Swami** » Sun Nov 10, 2013 11:13 pm

While we're discussing VO
[tweet]https://twitter.com/JoshuaBRobbins/status/399658104507617280[/tweet]

woosah · Post #1066 » by **woosah** » Sun Nov 10, 2013 11:24 pm

flying_mollusk wrote:Tanking=intentionally losing. Ill repeat that this isnt tanking. It's adding as much youth talent as possible and letting the chips fall where they may.

I dont understand how people can make the same arguments against trading Afflalo as they did for not trading Redick. They are the same exact arguments. "Valuable vet to teach youngsters. What we get will be as good as Redick. Etc etc." Except nobody would be against that trade now.

The fact is management refused to do the same things when we had Dwight early on. They put tough guy vets around Dwight and we ended up not getting younger good prospects to surround him that could only be drafted high. Imagine if we had let the youth movement do its thing and gotten Paul or Williams in 2005. The Dwightmare never would have happened.

toe-may-toe. toe-mah-toe. Trading away proven talent for youth in hopes of getting a bad record is tanking.

You are right, Dwightmare would not have happened because he probably would have left earlier due to being on losing teams. Check his attitude of entitlement. He would not have been cool with tanking.

woosah · Post #1067 » by **woosah** » Sun Nov 10, 2013 11:33 pm

MagicStarwipe wrote:I've never seen someone work so hard in all my life to average 20PPG as I have Afflalo. He really makes the most of his limited ability and athleticism. The guy is 6'5" and can't dunk! I'm interested to see if his shooting percentages hold up.

He can dunk. He just doesn't anymore for some reason. He did it once last season.

(edited for vid evidence

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[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNryq2ko_j0[/youtube]

OrlandO · Post #1068 » by **OrlandO** » Sun Nov 10, 2013 11:45 pm

Def Swami wrote:While we're discussing VO
[tweet]https://twitter.com/JoshuaBRobbins/status/399658104507617280[/tweet]

He'll cut them down... the important thing is for him this year is to test his limits and learn from mistakes.

rcklsscognition · Post #1069 » by **rcklsscognition** » Sun Nov 10, 2013 11:54 pm

woosah wrote:
MagicStarwipe wrote:I've never seen someone work so hard in all my life to average 20PPG as I have Afflalo. He really makes the most of his limited ability and athleticism. The guy is 6'5" and can't dunk! I'm interested to see if his shooting percentages hold up.

He can dunk. He just doesn't anymore for some reason. He did it once last season.

Did you see him on the fastbreak steal and "dunk" in the Boston game. I almost spit out my beer.

woosah · Post #1070 » by **woosah** » Mon Nov 11, 2013 12:11 am

rcklsscognition wrote:
woosah wrote:
MagicStarwipe wrote:I've never seen someone work so hard in all my life to average 20PPG as I have Afflalo. He really makes the most of his limited ability and athleticism. The guy is 6'5" and can't dunk! I'm interested to see if his shooting percentages hold up.

He can dunk. He just doesn't anymore for some reason. He did it once last season.

Did you see him on the fastbreak steal and "dunk" in the Boston game. I almost spit out my beer.

He's cringe worthy in ANY fast break situation. Y'all can leave my guy alone already, lol.

OrlandO · Post #1071 » by **OrlandO** » Mon Nov 11, 2013 12:15 am

OrlandoNed wrote:Good news for us regarding the den/nyk pick! Javale McGee is out indefinitely with a stress fracture in his leg. Hate to sound happy for somebody's injury, but we might get another lotto pick.

Not like he was playing well for them... his numbers are awful. Averaging 3 fouls in 16 minutes, inefficient scoring, doesn't get to the FT line, and below average FG percentage for a C. He's making 10-12 million per year. :lol:

Plus he's an idiot... I bet they actually win some games now.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_WZa2M230cs[/youtube]
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HhAFNnGWvjc[/youtube]

TNMagicFan · Post #1072 » by **TNMagicFan** » Mon Nov 11, 2013 12:44 am

I still can't believe they gave that guy that much money lol

The1llness · Post #1073 » by **The1llness** » Mon Nov 11, 2013 12:56 am

Knicks are looking very '03-'04 Magic-ish, especially without Chandler. 3 guard line-ups with no interior defense isn't going to win you many games in this league (which is good for the Magic).

Komodo · Post #1074 » by **Komodo** » Mon Nov 11, 2013 1:03 am

OrlandO wrote:
Def Swami wrote:While we're discussing VO
[tweet]https://twitter.com/JoshuaBRobbins/status/399658104507617280[/tweet]

He'll cut them down... the important thing is for him this year is to test his limits and learn from mistakes.

Doesn't tell the whole story, ie. TO/min, TO/FGA, TO/USG%, etc. But the bottom line is VO needs to start getting 30-35+ min per game of burn shortly.

Viper1500 · Post #1075 » by **Viper1500** » Mon Nov 11, 2013 1:46 am

If Oladipo continues to get 20mpg this season, I don't see him being much better next year(Concerning TO's). I was against Jameer being traded earlier, but it really does need to happen.

MellowRose · Post #1076 » by **MellowRose** » Mon Nov 11, 2013 2:02 am

Def Swami wrote:
MellowRose wrote:I hate AA.

19.7 ppg, 5.1 rpg, 4.4 apg, shooting 45% from the field and 47% from 3 and has PER of 18.48. Why we hating on Afflalo?

Because he thinks he's Kobe, Rose, Westbrook, Lebron all wrapped into one. Just watch him play and think of one of those dudes I mentioned above. He's bound to be playing like one of them except that he'll be bricking when he does try to emulate.
I also hate the two man game that Jameer and AA seem to play almost everytime.

NickAnderson · Post #1077 » by **NickAnderson** » Mon Nov 11, 2013 2:07 am

MellowRose wrote:
Def Swami wrote:
MellowRose wrote:I hate AA.

19.7 ppg, 5.1 rpg, 4.4 apg, shooting 45% from the field and 47% from 3 and has PER of 18.48. Why we hating on Afflalo?

Because he thinks he's Kobe, Rose, Westbrook, Lebron all wrapped into one. Just watch him play and think of one of those dudes I mentioned above. He's bound to be playing like one of them except that he'll be bricking when he does try to emulate.
I also hate the two man game that Jameer and AA seem to play almost everytime.

Pretty sure he is asked to be our go to guy and I seriously doubt he thinks he's Kobe etc.

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Viper1500 · Post #1078 » by **Viper1500** » Mon Nov 11, 2013 2:14 am

MellowRose wrote:
Def Swami wrote:
MellowRose wrote:I hate AA.

19.7 ppg, 5.1 rpg, 4.4 apg, shooting 45% from the field and 47% from 3 and has PER of 18.48. Why we hating on Afflalo?

Because he thinks he's Kobe, Rose, Westbrook, Lebron all wrapped into one. Just watch him play and think of one of those dudes I mentioned above. He's bound to be playing like one of them except that he'll be bricking when he does try to emulate.
I also hate the two man game that Jameer and AA seem to play almost everytime.

Well that's because they are the only two who can really space the floor. Makes it much easier/wiser to pass to one another.

OrlChamps2030 · Post #1079 » by **OrlChamps2030** » Mon Nov 11, 2013 2:34 am

Obviously very small sample size at this point but I gathered a list of this year's most productive rookies' PER36 stats. I had to come up with a criteria that would avoid any outliers that would skew the results even further.

http://bkref.com/tiny/7iog4

I would really like to see what Oladipo, McLemore, and Adams can do with more minutes. I'd also like to see what Schroeder & Zeller can do with more minutes as well

Driguez · Post #1080 » by **Driguez** » Mon Nov 11, 2013 2:55 am

Viper1500 wrote:
MellowRose wrote:
Def Swami wrote:19.7 ppg, 5.1 rpg, 4.4 apg, shooting 45% from the field and 47% from 3 and has PER of 18.48. Why we hating on Afflalo?

Because he thinks he's Kobe, Rose, Westbrook, Lebron all wrapped into one. Just watch him play and think of one of those dudes I mentioned above. He's bound to be playing like one of them except that he'll be bricking when he does try to emulate.
I also hate the two man game that Jameer and AA seem to play almost everytime.

Well that's because they are the only two who can really space the floor. Makes it much easier/wiser to pass to one another.

I'm sure you are referring to a LeBron-and-Wade 2 man wise game right? Right. This board is amazing. I mean seriously, this team does not have the talent YET to have a two man game going, maybe in the future, but the wise game you're referring to is not happening. When that happens it's more like a 2 man choke game. It doesn't work between them two.