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Official 2023-2024 Magic General Season Thread

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Re: Official 2023-2024 Magic General Season Thread 

Post#1061 » by Black and Blue » Sun Feb 4, 2024 5:26 am

pepe1991 wrote:
Knightro wrote:Death
Taxes
Pepe’s “well actually” routine when somebody gets excited about anything

The only three constants in life :lol:


To this date, he played 41 out of 285 games since he signed exstension.

"He is difference maker". Sure, in all 14% of games he was able to suit up. Nevermind fact he has min restrictions even in those 14% of games when he is actually aveliable.

He is great defender when he plays. For 14min a game. 14% of time.

I really don't want to get deep into this, so i'll leave at this.
Things would be different if we are great team and he is just cherry on top of cake, in reality, when he is out we are pretty meh team. So you *need* him to play, but he also- can't, nor you can't rely on him.


Right now this is very accurate. From a team construction standpoint, Isaac’s lack of availability makes his inclusion a constant shuffling of varying lineups and unpredictable outcomes. Unless he can prove himself healthy enough to consistently play (which I DO think the Magic are still holding out hope for), it’s as much an albatross as our completely unreliable PGs.

That said, this team needs Isaac. Not for his defense or anything like that, but for meeting the salary floor and having a contract that is big enough to help with bringing in a big star. Contrary to popular belief, teams don’t want trades that look like this: 1 star for 7 smaller contracts. They want as little mess as possible on their roster.

That’s the real value with Isaac. He has a large, super voidable contract and isn’t part of our core. To make deals work, his contract can get thrown in to make things match as the only thing other teams would want from us are cap space and draft picks.

This team is constructed to build around Franz and Paolo AND to pounce on stars from teams that want to rebuild with picks and cap space. It’s part of why I wanted the magic to use their expiring deals this week, but it appears they may not be as enamored with Murray as several of us are.
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Re: Official 2023-2024 Magic General Season Thread 

Post#1062 » by Knightro » Mon Feb 5, 2024 12:16 am

Through 50 games...

2 Years Ago: 10-40
Last Season: 19-31
This Season: 27-23
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Post#1063 » by eyriq » Mon Feb 5, 2024 12:32 am

Knightro wrote:Through 50 games...

2 Years Ago: 10-40
Last Season: 19-31
This Season: 27-23
.200
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.540 (+16)

Coach has this rebuild cooking
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Post#1064 » by SHAQ32 » Mon Feb 5, 2024 3:16 am

Free Cole Anthony!!
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Post#1065 » by eyriq » Mon Feb 5, 2024 3:17 am

SHAQ32 wrote:Free Cole Anthony!!
Is he in mental prison?
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Re: Official 2023-2024 Magic General Season Thread 

Post#1066 » by drsd » Mon Feb 5, 2024 8:12 am

eyriq wrote:
Knightro wrote:Through 50 games...

2 Years Ago: 10-40
Last Season: 19-31
This Season: 27-23
.200
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.540 (+16)

Coach has this rebuild cooking



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Re: Official 2023-2024 Magic General Season Thread 

Post#1067 » by drsd » Mon Feb 5, 2024 8:18 am

Orlando's final games combine to opponents with a 0.448 record. The Magic is currently on a 0.540 win rate, so this sums for the final 32 games to an expectation of 19 wins (19/32=a 59% win rate from here-on, by the way).

So: the current over/under is a 46-36 record. That is still very likely to be a 6-seed record, based on recent history.

If the Magic "gets hot", I can still imagine a 50 win season. The Magic must win 72% of their final games for that though.
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Post#1068 » by FM6 » Mon Feb 5, 2024 9:04 am

Watching Markelle play these past few weeks with that hitch is looking crazy. Why doesn't he just take the chance in having the TOS surgery? He has neurogenic TOS which can be fixed by a surgery to the shoulder muscle and rib. By not having the surgery he risks not being able to reach his full potential as a player, thus missing out on future millions, and possibly being out of the league due to not being able to shoot beyond 5 feet.

Edit: And before anyone points it out, I realize that surgery results vary and won't always guarantee success, but mere physical therapy has not exactly fixed his issue. It seems surgery might be the necessary next step.
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Post#1069 » by pepe1991 » Mon Feb 5, 2024 9:16 am

FM6 wrote:Watching Markelle play these past few weeks with that hitch is looking crazy. Why doesn't he just take the chance in having the TOS surgery? He has neurogenic TOS which can be fixed by a surgery to the shoulder muscle and rib. By not having the surgery he risks not being able to reach his full potential as a player, thus missing out on future millions, and possibly being out of the league due to not being able to shot beyond 5 feet.


People won't notice in regular season how crippling his problem with shooting is until we play playin or playoff ( or both) and teams do proper scouting on him.
Now, it's just bunch of random games with teams that expect starting PG to be able to at least attemp some shots.
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Post#1070 » by meatwad4343 » Mon Feb 5, 2024 10:52 am

Has mosely seen enough with Cole? Seems like he's slowly getting worked out of the rotation. Averaged 23 minutes on the season but the last few games have been 16,12 and 11 minutes
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Post#1071 » by drsd » Mon Feb 5, 2024 11:44 am

pepe1991 wrote:People won't notice in regular season how crippling his problem with shooting is until we play playin or playoff ( or both) and teams do proper scouting on him.
Now, it's just bunch of random games with teams that expect starting PG to be able to at least attemp some shots.


Three more days to the trade deadline.

Is Fultz and Okeke enough as expirings to get a bench upgrade in Luke Kennard? I hope so!
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Post#1072 » by basketballRob » Mon Feb 5, 2024 12:22 pm

meatwad4343 wrote:Has mosely seen enough with Cole? Seems like he's slowly getting worked out of the rotation. Averaged 23 minutes on the season but the last few games have been 16,12 and 11 minutes
He's playing with injuries

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Post#1073 » by Skybox » Mon Feb 5, 2024 12:31 pm

pepe1991 wrote:
FM6 wrote:Watching Markelle play these past few weeks with that hitch is looking crazy. Why doesn't he just take the chance in having the TOS surgery? He has neurogenic TOS which can be fixed by a surgery to the shoulder muscle and rib. By not having the surgery he risks not being able to reach his full potential as a player, thus missing out on future millions, and possibly being out of the league due to not being able to shot beyond 5 feet.


People won't notice in regular season how crippling his problem with shooting is until we play playin or playoff ( or both) and teams do proper scouting on him.
Now, it's just bunch of random games with teams that expect starting PG to be able to at least attemp some shots.


This…playoffs are a microscope. Weaknesses are magnified and repeatedly abused. It will not be as effective to just ask Paolo & Franz to to bail out the offense in a series, where teams are extremely well-prepared and informed.
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Post#1074 » by fendilim » Mon Feb 5, 2024 12:34 pm

FM6 wrote:Watching Markelle play these past few weeks with that hitch is looking crazy. Why doesn't he just take the chance in having the TOS surgery? He has neurogenic TOS which can be fixed by a surgery to the shoulder muscle and rib. By not having the surgery he risks not being able to reach his full potential as a player, thus missing out on future millions, and possibly being out of the league due to not being able to shoot beyond 5 feet.

Edit: And before anyone points it out, I realize that surgery results vary and won't always guarantee success, but mere physical therapy has not exactly fixed his issue. It seems surgery might be the necessary next step.

when did they say his TOS can be fixed? From what i read his TOS is the type that can’t be fixed.

Guy has undergone ACL surgery before, there’s no doubt he would have his TOS fixed if it can improve.
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Re: Official 2023-2024 Magic General Season Thread 

Post#1075 » by fendilim » Mon Feb 5, 2024 12:35 pm

pepe1991 wrote:
FM6 wrote:Watching Markelle play these past few weeks with that hitch is looking crazy. Why doesn't he just take the chance in having the TOS surgery? He has neurogenic TOS which can be fixed by a surgery to the shoulder muscle and rib. By not having the surgery he risks not being able to reach his full potential as a player, thus missing out on future millions, and possibly being out of the league due to not being able to shot beyond 5 feet.


People won't notice in regular season how crippling his problem with shooting is until we play playin or playoff ( or both) and teams do proper scouting on him.
Now, it's just bunch of random games with teams that expect starting PG to be able to at least attemp some shots.

This.

Exactly why he should be gone sooner.

We’re basically waving the white flag with him, much worse, as our starting PG.
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Re: Official 2023-2024 Magic General Season Thread 

Post#1076 » by drsd » Mon Feb 5, 2024 12:41 pm

Skybox wrote:This…playoffs are a microscope. Weaknesses are magnified and repeatedly abused. It will not be as effective to just ask Paolo & Franz to to bail out the offense in a series, where teams are extremely well-prepared and informed.


Please. please. Add some shooting to help F-Wagner and Banchero out in the playoffs. please.
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Re: Official 2023-2024 Magic General Season Thread 

Post#1077 » by eyriq » Mon Feb 5, 2024 2:06 pm

drsd wrote:Orlando's final games combine to opponents with a 0.448 record. The Magic is currently on a 0.540 win rate, so this sums for the final 32 games to an expectation of 19 wins (19/32=a 59% win rate from here-on, by the way).

So: the current over/under is a 46-36 record. That is still very likely to be a 6-seed record, based on recent history.

If the Magic "gets hot", I can still imagine a 50 win season. The Magic must win 72% of their final games for that though.
I love your analysis here! 50 wins is shockingly in reach, it will be like us chasing the play-in last season, probably a bit tougher. A Franz, Paolo, Suggs core leading us to 50+ wins would be nearly unprecedented, we'd be in the 99th percentile of rebuilds.

WePark have crushed the asset accumulation phase of the rebuild. Here's hoping they are as good at team building.
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Re: Official 2023-2024 Magic General Season Thread 

Post#1078 » by eyriq » Mon Feb 5, 2024 11:10 pm

Interesting results looking at 1st quarter lineups with Franz/Paolo/Suggs:

AB/Goga -7.3 net rating
Fultz/WCJ -11.6 net rating
AB/WCJ +7.7 net rating

Honorable mention
JI/WCJ +58.8 net rating

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Re: Official 2023-2024 Magic General Season Thread 

Post#1079 » by RichCollab » Mon Feb 5, 2024 11:15 pm

eyriq wrote:Interesting results looking at 1st quarter lineups with Franz/Paolo/Suggs:

AB/Goga -7.3 net rating
Fultz/WCJ -11.6 net rating
AB/WCJ +7.7 net rating

Honorable mention
JI/WCJ +58.8 net rating

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WCJ shooting definitely makes it easier to start AB.
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Re: Official 2023-2024 Magic General Season Thread 

Post#1080 » by eyriq » Tue Feb 6, 2024 5:56 pm

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